Broadcast Standard Lav Mic?

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What is the Broadcast Standard Lav Mic?

When you walk into any TV studio what do you expect to see as Lav
mics?

And what are the Top Of The Line / Ferrari of lav mic?


Thanks in Advance
n

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nmm <voxman@arvotek.net> wrote:
>What is the Broadcast Standard Lav Mic?
>
> When you walk into any TV studio what do you expect to see as Lav
>mics?

There isn't really a standard. For a long time, there was a little Sony
mike that was a standard. But today, Countryman, DPA, and Beyerdynamic
all seem to be very popular and they are all fine.

>And what are the Top Of The Line / Ferrari of lav mic?

Probably the DPA.

But to be honest, it's not hard to make a good small omni any longer.
Just buy anything but the Tram and you'll be happy.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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Lorin David Schultz wrote:
> "nmm" <voxman@arvotek.net> wrote:
> >
> > What is the Broadcast Standard Lav Mic?
> >
> > When you walk into any TV studio what do you expect to see as Lav
> > mics?
> >
> > And what are the Top Of The Line / Ferrari of lav mic?
>
>
>
> We use Sennheiser MKE2. Some prefer the DPA 4060. In the field, the
> Sony ECM77 is still widely used.

Of the 6 or 7 models of lavalier mic the staff audio guys at Fox
News demoed, we prefered the sound of the Sennheiser MK102's. The MKE2
and the model of Countryman we auditioned were a bit brighter than we
all liked for universal use. I don't think we auditioned the DPA
though.

We had been using the Sanken COS-11's, which are great sounding
lavs used a lot in film work. But the cables are too fragile for the
beating anchors subject them to, and when the paint scraped off them
you can get ground hum from the mic bodies or preamp bodies touching.


Will Miho
NY Music and TV Audio Guy
M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

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> I don't think there's anying close to a standard. I've seen almost anything
> and everything.

Agreed. If you watch any of the major news outlets, you will see as
many different lavs as there are camera shots during an hour of
programming. Personally, I am a fan of the Sennheiser MKE-2's and Sony
ECM-77's, purely because I have used both for years and can attest to
consistent sonics and durablility. One note on the other end of the $$
spectrum though - I buy Shure WL93's in bulk for high-risk use
(Football refs, classroom chalkdust exposure, student theatre
productions, etc.) I can get those with T4F's for $75. They ain't
great, but they work fine in throw-away apps.
-Darren

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Ty Ford wrote:
> I have Countryman EMW and B6, E6; very nice.

I am starting to migrate some of the controlled - i.e. same person,
same room for each use - lav wireless apps I have around campus (work
at a college) to the Countryman Isomax earsets. Those things sound
great and, at $310 street, aren't too much more than a good lav. They
are pretty unobtrusive as well.
-Darren

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"Ty Ford" <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> AT makes a little paddle mic that's really quite good and not very
> expensive. The clip swivel and the stick on pop filter are a little
> weird, but for the price I think it sounds pretty darn good. I don't
> recall the model number at the moment. Wait one....
>
> http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/ [...] index.html
>
> MT830R with power supply; list $210.
>
> I have a wireless version that always surprises me. (in a good way)
>
> I can't confirm this, maybe someone at Lectro can, but someone told
> me this same model mic is what Lectro ships with their wireless
> kits. Guys?



Ty, did you ever get confirmation on this? I actually quite like the
ones that come with the Lectro packs, and I'd be interested in knowing
if it's an AT.

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- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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Ty Ford wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:20:23 -0400, Lorin David Schultz wrote
> (in article <bimKe.170466$HI.32050@edtnps84> ):
>
> > "Ty Ford" <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> AT makes a little paddle mic that's really quite good and not very
> >> expensive. The clip swivel and the stick on pop filter are a little
> >> weird, but for the price I think it sounds pretty darn good. I don't
> >> recall the model number at the moment. Wait one....
> >>
> >> http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/ [...] index.html
> >>
> >> MT830R with power supply; list $210.
> >>
> >> I have a wireless version that always surprises me. (in a good way)
> >>
> >> I can't confirm this, maybe someone at Lectro can, but someone told
> >> me this same model mic is what Lectro ships with their wireless
> >> kits. Guys?
> >
> >
> >
> > Ty, did you ever get confirmation on this? I actually quite like the
> > ones that come with the Lectro packs, and I'd be interested in knowing
> > if it's an AT.
>
> Hi Lorin,
>
> Nobody from lectro has commented.
>
> Maybe Karl's on vacation.
>
I saw the first part of this thread but missed the part where I was
supposed to make my entrance... <g>

I looked at the AT lav mic and based on the pictures, it's *possible*
we get them from the same supplier. I know we don't buy them from AT,
so my guess is that if they are the same mic, we both buy them from an
OEM source. The AT has a differently molded body, to include the AT
logo. Ours looks a little different.

Ours is the M152-5P (5P for "five pin" ) and goes with our beltpack
transmitters. Retail for this model is $190.

Since we developed a new input circuit for the SM transmitter, we did
some tests with a number of the most popular lav mics, including the
Countryman B6, Sanken COS11, DPA, and MKE2. Interestingly, our M152
held it's own and even outperformed many of these other models in terms
of noise and dynamic range. However, I think a big part of this is that
with the DPA and Countryman, we are talking about really tiny
capsules... so it's easy to get better specs when you increase the
capsule size by 2x... The COS11 also did very well but it also has a
larger capsule.

In terms of sound, of course the results would be subjective. And
clearly the MKE, COS11, DPA and Countryman models are popular for a
reason.

Karl Winkler
Lectrsonics, Inc.
http://www.lectrosonics.com