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I'm using SoundSoap for the first time, and it seems like a handy tool
for the arsenal. However, I'm experiencing an odd phenomenon that's
making it unusable for me.

It seems to introduce an odd phasing EQ. In other words, the beginning
of some voice track lines will have some extra low frequencies
introduced. These boosted lows will taper off as the sentence
progresses, eventually to a point where it becomes low end _light_.

I can't figure out what the problem might be. And since there's not a
whole lot of controls to contend with in the first place, I'm at a
loss.

Has anyone else experienced this problem, and if so, what was the
solution?

Thanks,

JV

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jviking@comcast.net wrote:
> I'm using SoundSoap for the first time, and it seems like a handy tool
> for the arsenal. However, I'm experiencing an odd phenomenon that's
> making it unusable for me.
>
> It seems to introduce an odd phasing EQ. In other words, the beginning
> of some voice track lines will have some extra low frequencies
> introduced. These boosted lows will taper off as the sentence
> progresses, eventually to a point where it becomes low end _light_.
>
> I can't figure out what the problem might be. And since there's not a
> whole lot of controls to contend with in the first place, I'm at a
> loss.
>
> Has anyone else experienced this problem, and if so, what was the
> solution?

Soundsoap inevitably introduces some artifacts. You can reduce them by
backing off on the amount of noise reduction. Sometimes you get better
results by applying a little NR several times rather than a lot in one pass.

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<jviking@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> It seems to introduce an odd phasing EQ. In other words, the
> beginning of some voice track lines will have some extra low
> frequencies introduced. These boosted lows will taper off as the
> sentence progresses, eventually to a point where it becomes low end
> _light_.


It sounds like you might be describing comb filtering. If Soap reaches
too far, it will start removing desirable signal along with the noise.
Since it uses polarity inversion to do the removal, you wind up with
that vaguely swooshy, hollow sound.

If you're interested in experimenting with comb filtering, create
another track with the same material on it, and invert the polarity of
the duplicate track. Turn the volume up and down on the duplicate
track, and listen to what it sounds like when mixed with the original.

The solution is to take a more selective noise sample that doesn't
include any of the "keeper" sound, and/or back off the amount of noise
reduction. You don't get something for nothing with corrective tools,
so you have to find a balance between desirable effects and unwanted
artifacts.

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In article <1123719622.280506.223740@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> jviking@comcast.net writes:

> It seems to introduce an odd phasing EQ. In other words, the beginning
> of some voice track lines will have some extra low frequencies
> introduced. These boosted lows will taper off as the sentence
> progresses, eventually to a point where it becomes low end _light_.

You're probably using too much soap. Try setting it to do less noise
removal. These programs all introduce some artifacts and the trick to
using them effectively is to judge when the cure isn't worse than the
disease.

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