Mixer routing question

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I followed the instructions on
http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_hookup_a_mixer.htm
on how to hook up my mixer to my soundcard, and it
works great! I can hear earlier recorded tracks
while recording new ones.

Then I got greedy.

The thing is, vocalists don't find it very inspiring
recording with a totally dry signal. So I would like
to be able to monitor my current recording with
reverb, and record a dry signal.

A brief description on how I hook up things:
-A vocal mic in XLR in on channel one.
-soundcard output on stereo channel 11/12.
-soundcard input on "Alt output"
-reverb unit on aux send & return 1
-Headphones on the phones output...
I simply press the "Alt 3/4" button to send the
channel I want to record to the soundcards input.
But my wonderful reverb seems to be omitted when
route my signal to "Alt 3/4".

So my question is, are there any clever routings
I could apply to achieve "wet" monitoring and "dry"
recording?

Details on my mixer is here (1.58 MB):
http://www.behringerdownload.de/MX [...] _Rev_H.pdf

--
-Bard

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It looks to me like the "3-4" buss button does double duty as a
channel mute.
Try pressing the "PRE" button next to the AUX 1 knob on channel 1.

Bard Selbekk wrote:
> I followed the instructions on
> http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_hookup_a_mixer.htm
> on how to hook up my mixer to my soundcard, and it
> works great! I can hear earlier recorded tracks
> while recording new ones.
>
> Then I got greedy.
>
> The thing is, vocalists don't find it very inspiring
> recording with a totally dry signal. So I would like
> to be able to monitor my current recording with
> reverb, and record a dry signal.
>
> A brief description on how I hook up things:
> -A vocal mic in XLR in on channel one.
> -soundcard output on stereo channel 11/12.
> -soundcard input on "Alt output"
> -reverb unit on aux send & return 1
> -Headphones on the phones output...
> I simply press the "Alt 3/4" button to send the
> channel I want to record to the soundcards input.
> But my wonderful reverb seems to be omitted when
> route my signal to "Alt 3/4".
>
> So my question is, are there any clever routings
> I could apply to achieve "wet" monitoring and "dry"
> recording?
>
> Details on my mixer is here (1.58 MB):
> http://www.behringerdownload.de/MX [...] _Rev_H.pdf
>
> --
> -Bard

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In article <42fcb4ef$1@news.broadpark.no> bselbekk@dontlikespam.yahoo.no writes:

> vocalists don't find it very inspiring
> recording with a totally dry signal. So I would like
> to be able to monitor my current recording with
> reverb, and record a dry signal.
>
> A brief description on how I hook up things:
> -A vocal mic in XLR in on channel one.
> -soundcard output on stereo channel 11/12.
> -soundcard input on "Alt output"
> -reverb unit on aux send & return 1
> -Headphones on the phones output...
> I simply press the "Alt 3/4" button to send the
> channel I want to record to the soundcards input.
> But my wonderful reverb seems to be omitted when
> route my signal to "Alt 3/4".
>
> So my question is, are there any clever routings
> I could apply to achieve "wet" monitoring and "dry"
> recording?

You use AUX 1 for your headphone mix and use Aux Send 2 to send the
signal to your reverb. Then you press the EFX to AUX 1 button to send
the output from your reverb (it can be plugged into Aux Return 2, or
Aux Return 1 if you don't have two effects) to the Aux 1 bus.

The trick is that your mixer doesn't have a button that allows you to
monitor the Aux 1 output in the headphones, so you have to make one.
Connect Aux 1 Out to an unused line input, say Channel 9/10. Make sure
that both Aux Sends on that channel are all the way down, and assign
it to the Main Mix. Now the main mix will contain whatever mix you've
set up with the Aux 1 send controls plus the reverb return.

The block diagram is your friend.

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Laurence Payne wrote:

> On 12 Aug 2005 16:40:47 +0200, Bard Selbekk
> <bselbekk@dontlikespam.yahoo.no> wrote:
>
> >The thing is, vocalists don't find it very inspiring
> >recording with a totally dry signal. So I would like
> >to be able to monitor my current recording with
> >reverb, and record a dry signal.
>
> What are you recording into? If a computer system, with a
> low-latency sound card and a good multitrack program you will be able
> to monitor your input with minimal delay through the program's
> effects.
>
> Tell us what your sound card is, and what recording program you use.
> Outboard gear may be completely unnecessary.

I rather think even a Behringer mic pre is rather better than any sound
card's idea of one. That makes a mixer quite useful on its own.

Graham

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In article <m_2dnfFtpdlzTGHfRVn-hg@giganews.com>, Ethan Winer wrote:
> Bard,
>
>> I followed the instructions on ... <
>
> I'm not familiar with that article but my version, which may be
> similar, is here:
>
> www.ethanwiner.com/mixer2daw.html
>
> In this article I explain how you can use an Aux bus with any
> inexpensive outboard reverb to hear some reverb in the phones
> while still recording dry.

Thanks, but I'm afraid I don't have Channel Inserts on my
Behringer MX1604A... :-(

--
-Bård

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In article <4deqf15p1geptkq4iugd6um4e78i8u6fnp@4ax.com>, Laurence Payne wrote:
> What are you recording into? If a computer system, with a
> low-latency sound card and a good multitrack program you will be able
> to monitor your input with minimal delay through the program's
> effects.
>
> Tell us what your sound card is, and what recording program you use.
> Outboard gear may be completely unnecessary.

I use a M-Audio Audiophile 24/96 soundcard, and Ardour for DAW on a
Intel P4 3GHz Linux pc.

Outboard gear might be unnecessary, but I was thinking that a setup
like this would be less complicated than fiddleing with sw reverb
for monitoring. I might be wrong.

--
-Bard

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"Pooh Bear" wrote ...
> Laurence Payne wrote:
>> Actually, plenty of soundcards today DO offer a couple
>> of mic inputs and a rudimentary mixer, and are doubtless
>> comparable to a Behringer mixer channel. But that wasn't
>> what I meant. As I think you knew, really :-)
>
> You're mistaken about soundcard mic pres. Even a Behringer
> offers a true differential input with a transistor front end. No
> soundcard I've ever met can come close to the noise ( and
> other THD etc ) performance of that and I certainly don't know
> any with balanced inputs.

Indeed. The lowest-quality preamp (Behringer, et. al.)
is infinitely better than anything ever offered in a PC
sound card microphone input. They aren't even in the
same league.

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On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:41:09 +0100, Pooh Bear
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Actually, plenty of soundcards today DO offer a couple of mic inputs
>> and a rudimentary mixer, and are doubtless comparable to a Behringer
>> mixer channel. But that wasn't what I meant. As I think you knew,
>> really :-)
>
>You're mistaken about soundcard mic pres. Even a Behringer offers a true
>differential input with a transistor front end. No soundcard I've ever met
>can come close to the noise ( and other THD etc ) performance of that and I
>certainly don't know any with balanced inputs.

Depends how you define "soundcard" I guess :-)

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On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:24:38 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
<rcrowley@xpr7t.net> wrote:

>> Depends how you define "soundcard" I guess :-)
>
>OK, name a soundcard with a balanced mic input suitable
>for the kinds of microphones typically discussed in r.a.p

If you'll allow a "soundcard" to have a breakout box, you can do that
for yourself. The Echo Layla 3G springs to mind. If you won't allow
a breakout box, I can only think of the M-Audio 1010LT which has a
couple of XLR mic inputs. No phantom powering though, I think. If
you'll accept USB and Firewire interfaces to be called "soundcards",
the list is endless.