I want to buy a Presonus Pre Tube, but I 'd like to upgrade the
built-in tube to a good tube that gets the best out of it for voice
over work and some singing (demo recordings). Any tips on what I should
get?
I think the Blue Tube is an excellent value. Keep in mind though that the
tube is used as an effect and for voice over work you will most likely not
be using much of that effect, using the cleanest setting instead. ( and the
as far as I know on the clean setting the tube has zero affect on the
sound. ). So, changing tubes is not going to help you much I would think.
( and the stock tubes sound fine to me )
If you can swing it you would try to get a PreSonus Eureka instead. With
it's built in EQ and compression and somewhat full and richer sound in
general I think it would be a better choice for voice over work.
Best of luck!
--
John L Rice
Drummer@ImJohn.com
"DiPool" <dipoolREMOVE@CAPSskynet.be> wrote in message
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>I want to buy a Presonus Pre Tube, but I 'd like to upgrade the built-in
>tube to a good tube that gets the best out of it for voice over work and
>some singing (demo recordings). Any tips on what I should get?
>
> Thank you very much for taking the time to reply!
>
> (yes, completely new to the matter...)
>
I don't think switching tubes would change much, but a NOS tube like a
Phillips or GE or RCA or Mullard are good tubes generally.
"DiPool" <dipoolREMOVE@CAPSskynet.be> wrote in message
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>I want to buy a Presonus Pre Tube, but I 'd like to upgrade the built-in
>tube to a good tube that gets the best out of it for voice over work and
>some singing (demo recordings). Any tips on what I should get?
>
> Thank you very much for taking the time to reply!
>
> (yes, completely new to the matter...)
>
> I want to buy a Presonus Pre Tube, but I 'd like to upgrade the built-in
> tube to a good tube that gets the best out of it for voice over work and
> some singing (demo recordings). Any tips on what I should get?
DiPool <dipoolREMOVE@CAPSskynet.be> wrote:
>I want to buy a Presonus Pre Tube, but I 'd like to upgrade the
>built-in tube to a good tube that gets the best out of it for voice
>over work and some singing (demo recordings). Any tips on what I should
>get?
Why?
You haven't even installed the thing and listened to it yet, and already
you're wanting to change it?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
> I want to buy a Presonus Pre Tube, but I 'd like to upgrade the
> built-in tube to a good tube that gets the best out of it for voice
> over work and some singing (demo recordings). Any tips on what I should
> get?
Like Scott I'm amazed that you want to change a tube before you've even
heard the unit. I guess you're a fully signed up member of the audio snake
oil believers club ?
You may be interested to know that the characterstics of tubes are set
simply by the dimensions of its construction such as electrode size and
spacing and grid spacing. Cathode temperature will affect the space charge
too, and beware that cathodes eventually 'wear out'. A 'worn out' cathose
will have limited emission and that'll affect the sound - but that's simply
for *all* tubes that have seen long service.
Any two tubes made to the same dimensions will have the same
charactersitics ( by laws of physics ) and will therefore perform ( and
sound ) the same.
Although you may have been persuaded otherwise there are no parameters that
affect audio qualities like 'voice', depth', 'speed' or 'warmth' or
whatever tomfoolery you may have been brainwashed into believing.
If you want to experiment you'll have to get loads of different toobs and
try them. I'd love to know what differences you think you can hear.
In article <42fe3f19$0$627$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> dipoolREMOVE@CAPSskynet.be writes:
> I want to buy a Presonus Pre Tube, but I 'd like to upgrade the
> built-in tube to a good tube that gets the best out of it for voice
> over work and some singing (demo recordings). Any tips on what I should
> get?
First get the preamp, then work with it for a while. Then try swappng
tubes if you want to experiment. It's silly to plan on a modification
(not necessarily an upgrade) without ever hearing it in your own
working situation.
Besides, if you really go nutso about it, you'll have a tube for
voiceover, a tube for singing, maybe a tube for a different singer.
Just say no.
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"DiPool" <dipoolREMOVE@CAPSskynet.be> wrote in message
news:42fe3f19$0$627$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
> I want to buy a Presonus Pre Tube, but I 'd like to upgrade the
> built-in tube to a good tube that gets the best out of it for voice
> over work and some singing (demo recordings). Any tips on what I should
> get?
>
> Thank you very much for taking the time to reply!
>
> (yes, completely new to the matter...)
>
like the others i agree; don't bother modifying this. however i would like
to add that my "bluetube" has proven remarkably useful and versatile both
for field recordings and as an active DI box for instruments.
> I don't think switching tubes would change much, but a NOS tube like a
> Phillips or GE or RCA or Mullard are good tubes generally.
The Mullard brand name has now been bought by a Russian outfit. No idea if the
valves are made to the original drawings or indeed what quality control is
like.
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 07:05:31 +0100, Pooh Bear
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
>The Mullard brand name has now been bought by a Russian outfit. No idea if the
>valves are made to the original drawings or indeed what quality control is
>like.
It'd be very difficult to believe that the metallurgy,
process control and winnowing *could not* be reproduced
in Russia today to duplicate the era when vacuum valves
were mass produced items, but it's easy to worry about
some possible issues.
Golden Age valves were made when there was both an element
of performance-based competition (corporately and Cold War-ly)
and a large consumer base to underwrite true costs.
Some studies that the US military made at the time
indicated that the highest reliability valves came
from standard, tried-n-true, production lines, with
winnowing for specific values, noise, etc.
OTOH, McIntosh used plain old Telefunken ECC83's as
cathode followers with over 400 volts across them,
mostly all still running just fine today. So there's
still something to *really, really good* manufacturing.
On 2005-08-14 00:46:52 +0200, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) said:
> DiPool <dipoolREMOVE@CAPSskynet.be> wrote:
>> I want to buy a Presonus Pre Tube, but I 'd like to upgrade the
>> built-in tube to a good tube that gets the best out of it for voice
>> over work and some singing (demo recordings). Any tips on what I should
>> get?
>
> Why?
>
> You haven't even installed the thing and listened to it yet, and already
> you're wanting to change it?
> --scott
Right, Point taken.
You might be right that I'm influenced to easily, but it's difficult
not to, when you read reviews and they all say the same. As I said, I'm
quite new in these things, and I'm still that naive that people who
write reviews know their stuff better than I. ;-) Anyway, the plan is
to leave the default tube in until it needs replacement, and then try
something else. Then my ears will decide.
Does anybody know of substantial quality differences between the
TubePre and the new Bluetube DP?
"DiPool" <dipoolREMOVE@CAPSskynet.be> wrote in message
news:42ff0581$0$20262$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be
> On 2005-08-14 00:46:52 +0200, kludge@panix.com (Scott
> Dorsey) said:
>> DiPool <dipoolREMOVE@CAPSskynet.be> wrote:
>>> I want to buy a Presonus Pre Tube, but I 'd like to
>>> upgrade the built-in tube to a good tube that gets the
>>> best out of it for voice over work and some singing
>>> (demo recordings). Any tips on what I should get?
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> You haven't even installed the thing and listened to it
>> yet, and already you're wanting to change it?
>> --scott
>
> Right, Point taken.
>
> You might be right that I'm influenced to easily, but
> it's difficult not to, when you read reviews and they all
> say the same. As I said, I'm quite new in these things,
> and I'm still that naive that people who write reviews
> know their stuff better than I. ;-) Anyway, the plan is
> to leave the default tube in until it needs replacement,
> and then try something else. Then my ears will decide.
Here's a wild idea - let your ears decide right up front.
Ever wonder what you bring to the table that makes your
efforts uniquely desirable?
Here's two clues - it ain't your ability to read reviews and
it ain't your ability to order stuff from the web.
In article <42ff0581$0$20262$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be> dipoolREMOVE@CAPSskynet.be writes:
> You might be right that I'm influenced to easily, but it's difficult
> not to, when you read reviews and they all say the same.
What do the reviews say? "When I changed the tubes it sounded
different?" If you want to believe what's written about this sort of
thing, you need more details. If someone clearly identified a brand
that sounded better, you'll need to know:
- In what way did it sound better to the writer?
- Will you agree that it sounds better to you?
- Did he try several tubes from the same source to be sure that the
actual source/brand was consistent, or did he just pull one tube
out of his junkbox (or buy it on eBay) and assumed that every
other tube of that brand sounded the same? ('tain't necessarily
so)
> As I said, I'm
> quite new in these things, and I'm still that naive that people who
> write reviews know their stuff better than I. ;-)
The purpose of a review is to tell you if it basically does what you
want. The review tells you that it amplifiers a microphone to line
level without any serious deficiencies. Anything beyond that has to do
with sound characteristics is subjective, and you and the reviewer are
different "subjects."
> Anyway, the plan is
> to leave the default tube in until it needs replacement, and then try
> something else. Then my ears will decide.
That sounds like a plan. It should hold you for 20 years or so.
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