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Has anyone ever seen a truly effective way to simulate a trill on a trumpet
with midi other than simply sampling trills? I've been fooling around with
various manipulations of some professional individual note samples to try
and create 2 notes that when played in rapid alternation sound like a real
trill, but for the most part haven't had much success. In general, the
results end up sounding more like a trill on an organ than a trumpet doing a
trill.

I've gotten pretty close using the first half second or so of some some soft
attack note samples but it only works on certain lower notes, and only with
a soft attack.

Thanks for all input

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"Doc" <docsavage20@xhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Has anyone ever seen a truly effective way to simulate a trill on a
trumpet
> with midi other than simply sampling trills? I've been fooling around with
> various manipulations of some professional individual note samples to try
> and create 2 notes that when played in rapid alternation sound like a real
> trill, but for the most part haven't had much success. In general, the
> results end up sounding more like a trill on an organ than a trumpet doing
a
> trill.
>
> I've gotten pretty close using the first half second or so of some some
soft
> attack note samples but it only works on certain lower notes, and only
with
> a soft attack.
>
> Thanks for all input

Don't know if this will help, but as an old analog guy, I use many sounds
that are monophonic-one note at a time. When you do 'trills' with polyphonic
synths, you get too much bleeding of the notes-mushing the notes
together-making it sound 'organish'. Try using a sound which is monophonic
where you can only play one note at at time.
On my minimoog, since it is a 'low-note priority instrument', I can hold the
top note and just bang away on the lower. Works wonders on the action too<g>

Man...am I dating myself

Poly

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The entity known as polymod, posted:

> Man...am I dating myself

If you are, I'd suggest buying yourself some flowers.

You might even get lucky!

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Glennbo wrote:

> The entity known as polymod, posted:
>
>
>>Man...am I dating myself
>
>
> If you are, I'd suggest buying yourself some flowers.
>
> You might even get lucky!
>

PeeWee's Playhouse. :=)

gregor

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:36:12 GMT, "Doc" <docsavage20@xhotmail.com>
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>Has anyone ever seen a truly effective way to simulate a trill on a trumpet
>with midi other than simply sampling trills? I've been fooling around with
>various manipulations of some professional individual note samples to try
>and create 2 notes that when played in rapid alternation sound like a real
>trill, but for the most part haven't had much success. In general, the
>results end up sounding more like a trill on an organ than a trumpet doing a
>trill.

Valve trills, as the second note of "Trumpet Voluntary" or lip trills,
as played by jazzers showing off on the high notes? The latter
performance gesture is tricky to synthesize, I agree. The former is
more possible. Play them live from a keyboard of course, And don't
fall into the trap of thinking a trill has to be played as fast as
possible.

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to do the valve trills, set the synth to monophonic where the newest
note cuts off the previous. for slurred trills like indicated above,
you could experiment with setting your pitch bend lever to a whole step
and flicking it.

the best pitch bend gadgets for this stuff were the sideways bend
levers on the old roland synths and the joystick on the korg poly61 was
really good as well. i'd actually have to rate the poly61 joystick as
amazing.

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> > If you are, I'd suggest buying yourself some flowers.
> >
> > You might even get lucky!
> >
>
> PeeWee's Playhouse. :=)

This thread has already taken a dark and deeply disturbing turn...

Now, can ya'll answer the original question???

;-)

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On 16 Aug 2005 12:25:01 -0700, genericaudioperson@hotmail.com wrote:
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> the best pitch bend gadgets for this stuff were the sideways bend
> levers on the old roland synths and the joystick on the korg poly61 was
> really good as well. i'd actually have to rate the poly61 joystick as
> amazing.

Why oh why couldn't the industry have standardized on horizontal pitch
benders? I find that motion much more natural than front to back. I'm on
the verge of hacking my Yamaha S90 and re-orienting the wheels.

Bob

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Try using pitch bend data, but use it in a stepped manner. The problem
with doing it with note on values is that you get the whole attack on each
pitch change, whereas a real trumpet player would not tongue past the first
"note" (but you already know that Doc since you're a trumpet player). On the
other hand, the operation of the valves creates a brief interruption of air
flow that will give something of an attack back. If you're looking to do lip
trills, that's gonna be harder. You'll need to put in some very quick
ramping, but not too much... there's still a defined change as the note
slots. And remember that you can't lip trill all combinations of notes of a
specific interval. You might also try copying your pitch bend data and also
using it on CC74 (brightness/cutoff frequency) to change the timbre slightly
between notes. You'll probably need to reduce the range of this data, since
you won't want as much variety in timbre as you do in pitch.

Rich

"Doc" <docsavage20@xhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Has anyone ever seen a truly effective way to simulate a trill on a
> trumpet
> with midi other than simply sampling trills? I've been fooling around with
> various manipulations of some professional individual note samples to try
> and create 2 notes that when played in rapid alternation sound like a real
> trill, but for the most part haven't had much success. In general, the
> results end up sounding more like a trill on an organ than a trumpet doing
> a
> trill.
>
> I've gotten pretty close using the first half second or so of some some
> soft
> attack note samples but it only works on certain lower notes, and only
> with
> a soft attack.
>
> Thanks for all input
>
>

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> > the best pitch bend gadgets for this stuff were the sideways bend levers
on the old roland synths
--------
> Why oh why couldn't the industry have standardized on horizontal pitch
> benders? I find that motion much more natural than front to back. I'm on
> the verge of hacking my Yamaha S90 and re-orienting the wheels.

Amen, amen, amen. The sideways joystick-type on old Rolands were SO easy to
use, & the vertical ones are almost useless to me for anything except full
up, ctr, full down.

Lamar

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General observation: Playing a believable wind instrument from a
keyboard (percussive/switching) controller is unavoidably difficult;
even aftertouch doesn't generally give you the right kind of control. If
you're serious about this, investigate MIDI wind controllers.

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>> Why oh why couldn't the industry have standardized on horizontal
>> pitch benders? I find that motion much more natural than front to
>> back. I'm on the verge of hacking my Yamaha S90 and re-orienting the
>> wheels.

> Amen, amen, amen. The sideways joystick-type on old Rolands were SO
> easy to use, & the vertical ones are almost useless to me for anything
> except full up, ctr, full down.

All my first experiences with synths, were ones that had wheels for
modulation and pitch. Both of my current keyboard controllers have
pitch and mod wheels as well. Keys isn't my first instrument, but
the little "T" controllers have always felt awkward to me.

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Ribbon controllers are the best way I have found for trills. Kurzweil has made some models that have them and their
discontinued Expressionmate system included a ribbon & breath controller port.

Regards,

MM

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> Ribbon controllers are the best way I have found for trills. Kurzweil
> has made some models that have them and their discontinued
> Expressionmate system included a ribbon & breath controller port.

You are onto something. I had a dood in my studio once who had a
PolyMoog with a ribbon controller, and he was doing real cool finger
stuff on the controller, playing a violin patch. Touching it beyond
the center would cause it to *jump* the the bent note.

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:46:36 -0400, Joe Kesselman
<keshlam-nospam@comcast.net> wrote:

>General observation: Playing a believable wind instrument from a
>keyboard (percussive/switching) controller is unavoidably difficult;
>even aftertouch doesn't generally give you the right kind of control. If
>you're serious about this, investigate MIDI wind controllers.

Indeed. But a keyboard's enormously better than step-entry.

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"R. Lamar Duffy" <rldmdN0Spam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> > > the best pitch bend gadgets for this stuff were the sideways bend
levers
> on the old roland synths
> --------
> > Why oh why couldn't the industry have standardized on horizontal pitch
> > benders? I find that motion much more natural than front to back. I'm on
> > the verge of hacking my Yamaha S90 and re-orienting the wheels.
>
> Amen, amen, amen. The sideways joystick-type on old Rolands were SO easy
to
> use, & the vertical ones are almost useless to me for anything except full
> up, ctr, full down.

and a quadruple amen.
I played for years using a minimoog and a moog sonic 6-which had a
horizontal pitch bender with no modulation wheel. Going back and forth
between the two was a lot of fun

Poly

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"Glennbo" <vdrumsYourHeadFromYourAss@cox.net> wrote in message
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> In news:9jyMe.25490$EX.7076@twister.nyroc.rr.com the killer robot
> "Michael McInnis" <mmp@maine.rr.com> grabbed the controls of the
> spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...
>
> > Ribbon controllers are the best way I have found for trills. Kurzweil
> > has made some models that have them and their discontinued
> > Expressionmate system included a ribbon & breath controller port.
>
> You are onto something. I had a dood in my studio once who had a
> PolyMoog with a ribbon controller, and he was doing real cool finger
> stuff on the controller, playing a violin patch. Touching it beyond
> the center would cause it to *jump* the the bent note.

Yep...still use mine with my mini!

Poly

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The entity known as polymod, posted:

>> You are onto something. I had a dood in my studio once who had a
>> PolyMoog with a ribbon controller, and he was doing real cool finger
>> stuff on the controller, playing a violin patch. Touching it beyond
>> the center would cause it to *jump* the the bent note.
>
> Yep...still use mine with my mini!

So you have the add on ribbon controller that Moog used to sell.
The one that's about the length of a violin bow?

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> Why oh why couldn't the industry have standardized on horizontal pitch
> benders? I find that motion much more natural than front to back. I'm on
> the verge of hacking my Yamaha S90 and re-orienting the wheels.
>

Simply because the other way came first (some of the purists even balked at
the idea of using a keyboard!). It seems like a "no duh!" once you've tried
it but those guys where literally inventing history. And of course once the
first guy does it one way, right or wrong, that's usually the way it stays.

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>> Amen, amen, amen. The sideways joystick-type on old Rolands were SO easy
> to
>> use, & the vertical ones are almost useless to me for anything except
>> full
>> up, ctr, full down.
>
> and a quadruple amen.
> I played for years using a minimoog and a moog sonic 6-which had a
> horizontal pitch bender with no modulation wheel. Going back and forth
> between the two was a lot of fun
>

Also, a lot of people don't understand the importance of setting the bend
range correctly (be it MIDI or CV). Settings for a realistic violin or pedal
steel are much different than for a Keith Emerson wail.

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:36:12 GMT, "Doc" <docsavage20@xhotmail.com>
wrote:

>Has anyone ever seen a truly effective way to simulate a trill on a trumpet
>with midi other than simply sampling trills? I've been fooling around with
>various manipulations of some professional individual note samples to try
>and create 2 notes that when played in rapid alternation sound like a real
>trill, but for the most part haven't had much success. In general, the
>results end up sounding more like a trill on an organ than a trumpet doing a
>trill.
>
>I've gotten pretty close using the first half second or so of some some soft
>attack note samples but it only works on certain lower notes, and only with
>a soft attack.

Easiest method is to use a wind controller coupled with an acoustic
modelling synth, like Yamaha's VL70m. There are also software synths
which can do brass instrument emulation well.

If you have to use samples, one thing which helps a lot, as others
mention, is to use a synth which is monophonic -- only sounds one note
at a time. Roland Sound Canvas GS and Yamaha XG synths, among many
others, support switching to mono mode via the mono/poly mode
controller. In mono mode, you can also use portamento to control
slurs, which makes rapid trills with pitch slides easy,

The use of expression and filter/timbre controls can also enhance
the feel of wind instruments, letting you manipulate the sound as the
note plays.

Doing this all in real time isn't easy with a keyboard, but it is
possible. Wind controllers can get amazing results, but obviously
requires some work to learn to play them and a synth which can make
the best use of them.

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:36:12 GMT, "Doc" <docsavage20@xhotmail.com>
wrote:

>Has anyone ever seen a truly effective way to simulate a trill on a trumpet
>with midi other than simply sampling trills? I've been fooling around with
>various manipulations of some professional individual note samples to try
>and create 2 notes that when played in rapid alternation sound like a real
>trill, but for the most part haven't had much success. In general, the
>results end up sounding more like a trill on an organ than a trumpet doing a
>trill.
>
>I've gotten pretty close using the first half second or so of some some soft
>attack note samples but it only works on certain lower notes, and only with
>a soft attack.
>
>Thanks for all input
>

Ribbon controller.

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> I've gotten pretty close using the first half second or so of some some
soft
> attack note samples but it only works on certain lower notes, and only
with
> a soft attack.

I should probably clarify that this is for sequencing, not live performance.

After getting nowhere with trying to simulate it, I tried recording a few
trills turning them into Soundfonts and matching them up with single note
attacks which works light years better than any of my simu-trill efforts.

I guess ultimately there's no substitute for the real thing.

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>After getting nowhere with trying to simulate it, I tried recording a few
>trills turning them into Soundfonts and matching them up with single note
>attacks which works light years better than any of my simu-trill efforts.

If you had sample libraries of trills available, what's all the fuss
about?

If you have a trumpeter available, ditto?

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> If you had sample libraries of trills available, what's all the fuss
> about?
>
> If you have a trumpeter available, ditto?

I don't have pre-made trill samples, I recorded a couple of them. I'm the
trumpeter and recordist.

However, my curiousity is twofold. One, to see if it can be done, and two,
to possibly avoid the huge investment of time in recording,
editing/tweaking, and turning a full set of trills through the range of
instrument into Soundfonts. It would be several hours invested in each step.

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>
>> If you had sample libraries of trills available, what's all the fuss
>> about?
>>
>> If you have a trumpeter available, ditto?
>
>I don't have pre-made trill samples, I recorded a couple of them. I'm the
>trumpeter and recordist.
>
>However, my curiousity is twofold. One, to see if it can be done, and two,
>to possibly avoid the huge investment of time in recording,
>editing/tweaking, and turning a full set of trills through the range of
>instrument into Soundfonts. It would be several hours invested in each step.
>

As a trumpeter, you're never going to be satisfied with a sampled
trumpet.

Fortunately, as a trumpeter, you don't have to be :-)

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> As a trumpeter, you're never going to be satisfied with a sampled
> trumpet.
>
> Fortunately, as a trumpeter, you don't have to be :-)

Well, certainly it won't be *exactly* the same, but from my experiments it
can be might dang close. Probably imperceptible to Joe & Jane public.

And surely you're aware of the convenience and time savings of having a good
sampled instrument at the ready. I don't have to go through the rigamaroll
of recording a trumpet section one part at a time every time I want to do
something - setup, mistakes, retakes, balance, intonation, phone rings in
the middle of the perfect take, post recording tweaking etc. etc. . Sure
there's some time involved in sequencing but nothing like doing live
recording.

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>> As a trumpeter, you're never going to be satisfied with a sampled
>> trumpet.
>>
>> Fortunately, as a trumpeter, you don't have to be :-)
>
>Well, certainly it won't be *exactly* the same, but from my experiments it
>can be might dang close. Probably imperceptible to Joe & Jane public.
>
>And surely you're aware of the convenience and time savings of having a good
>sampled instrument at the ready. I don't have to go through the rigamaroll
>of recording a trumpet section one part at a time every time I want to do
>something - setup, mistakes, retakes, balance, intonation, phone rings in
>the middle of the perfect take, post recording tweaking etc. etc. . Sure
>there's some time involved in sequencing but nothing like doing live

I find this bizarre! A musician who has the resources to add live
content, but PREFERS to sample :-)

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Same here.

I've got a '73 MusicMan Stingray bass that is great.
Haven't used anything but bass samples for a decade.
Why? I hate changing strings ... the expense. Setting up the action.
Getting a sound. Too much labor and not enough results.
It's quick and easy with samples and can tweak the performance the next day.

Steve

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> wrote:
> I find this bizarre! A musician who has the resources to add live
> content, but PREFERS to sample :-)
>
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"Laurence Payne" <lpayne1NOSPAM@dsl.pipexSPAMTRAP.com> wrote in message
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> >And surely you're aware of the convenience and time savings of having a
good
> >sampled instrument at the ready. I don't have to go through the
rigamaroll
> >of recording a trumpet section one part at a time every time I want to do
> >something - setup, mistakes, retakes, balance, intonation, phone rings in
> >the middle of the perfect take, post recording tweaking etc. etc. . Sure
> >there's some time involved in sequencing but nothing like doing live
>
> I find this bizarre! A musician who has the resources to add live
> content, but PREFERS to sample :-)

Do you own any CD's or records? Why own a recording of a Beethoven concerto
when all you have to do is:

Find out when and where the next performance of the particular Beethoven
work you want to hear is.
Get ready for going out to a concert
Check the oil and tire pressure in your car
Wash the excess bugs off the windshield
Get in your car
Go to a gas station to fill up
Drive to a concert hall
Park
Wait in line
Pay a whole bunch of money
Find your seat
Listen to the concert
Go back to your car
Get back in your car
Drive home

I find it bizrre that someone who has the resources to listen to live
musicians would own a recording of them.

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> I've got a '73 MusicMan Stingray bass that is great.
> Haven't used anything but bass samples for a decade.
> Why? I hate changing strings ... the expense. Setting up the action.
> Getting a sound. Too much labor and not enough results.

Change strings? You're supposed to change the strings on your bass? <g>
I've got a beat-up old Kramer canoe paddle w/ aluminum neck. The darned
thing sounds so bright I've never changed the strings in the 15 yrs I've had
it. Heck, I hardly even touch a tuning knob on it. Straight into mixer, w/
some compressor presets I've got on a notecard on the desk, & I'm recording.

But certainly I understand where you're coming from, & there are some pretty
functional bass samples out there, which I've used myself, too. But as a
guitarist 1st & a keyboardist 2nd, I usually find I do more realistic bass
parts on the bass than the keyboard.

Cheers,

Lamar

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Lamar Duffy" <rldmdN0Spam@bellsouth.net> grabbed the controls of the
spaceship cakewalk.audio and pressed these buttons...

> Change strings? You're supposed to change the strings on your bass? <g>

Yeah. If you break one, you change it. <g>

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I had one of those Kramer guitars for a while in the 80's.
It was prety cool.

Steve

"R. Lamar Duffy" <rldmdN0Spam@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:0pGNe.27873$Rm3.21855@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>> I've got a '73 MusicMan Stingray bass that is great.
>> Haven't used anything but bass samples for a decade.
>> Why? I hate changing strings ... the expense. Setting up the action.
>> Getting a sound. Too much labor and not enough results.
>
> Change strings? You're supposed to change the strings on your bass? <g>
> I've got a beat-up old Kramer canoe paddle w/ aluminum neck. The darned
> thing sounds so bright I've never changed the strings in the 15 yrs I've had
> it. Heck, I hardly even touch a tuning knob on it. Straight into mixer, w/
> some compressor presets I've got on a notecard on the desk, & I'm recording.
>
> But certainly I understand where you're coming from, & there are some pretty
> functional bass samples out there, which I've used myself, too. But as a
> guitarist 1st & a keyboardist 2nd, I usually find I do more realistic bass
> parts on the bass than the keyboard.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lamar
>
>

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Glennbo wrote:
> In news:0pGNe.27873$Rm3.21855@bignews4.bellsouth.net the killer robot "R.
>> Change strings? You're supposed to change the strings on your bass? <g>
>
> Yeah. If you break one, you change it. <g>

People who break strings on bass guitars are more properly
called drummers

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"Steve Karl" <nospam@noway.com> wrote in message
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> I had one of those Kramer guitars for a while in the 80's.
> It was prety cool.

You bet. I found one of those Van Halen Stratoids used right after the
company went belly up. Got it for a song since it had such a terrible
setup, but it was really in great shape. I fixed it up & gave it to a
friend.

Lamar

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In article <Xns96B85926B805EBrownShoesDontMakeIt@68.6.19.6> vdrumsYourHeadFromYourAss@cox.net writes:

> > Change strings? You're supposed to change the strings on your bass? <g>
> Yeah. If you break one, you change it. <g>

Naw, just play the note on a different string. Nobody every plays
notes so low that you have to use the lowest string and nobody plays
chords. You can break at least two strings before you have to worry
about replacing any.

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