Anyone got Webster's Unabridged Dictionary?

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In article <YVaNc.22052$9J5.3096@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Julian" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> Has anyone got Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged
> on their Palm? I'm seriously considering getting it but I'm really interested
> in
> knowing how quick the word lookup is when it is running off a memory card.
>
> Given that the dictionary is 36.8MB in size I think it would be safe to say
> that most people would run it off the memory card so I'd be very interested
> in knowing how smart the caching and lookup algorithms are. I would be
> running it on a Sony Clie TH-55 using eReader Pro.
>
> Anyone?
>
> - Julian
>
>

Yes it does exist. After I got my M W Collegiate for my Palm, I
considered the Unabridged for my Palm. I already have it on my Macs.
The other poster is correct it would have to be loaded to a memory card,
so I decided to pass on it as far as the Palm is concerned.

Unfortunately I cannot remember the exact URL. But do a Google for
MWUnabridged and you will find it.

Michael

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"Julian" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Has anyone got Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged
> on their Palm? I'm seriously considering getting it but I'm really interested in
> knowing how quick the word lookup is when it is running off a memory card.
>
> Given that the dictionary is 36.8MB in size I think it would be safe to say
> that most people would run it off the memory card so I'd be very interested
> in knowing how smart the caching and lookup algorithms are. I would be
> running it on a Sony Clie TH-55 using eReader Pro.
>
> Anyone?
>
> - Julian

I compromised and got the New World College Edition (about 12 megs) and am very happy
with it.

Adam

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G. Michael Paine wrote:
> In article <YVaNc.22052$9J5.3096@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> "Julian" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>> Has anyone got Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged
>> on their Palm? I'm seriously considering getting it but I'm really interested
>> in
>> knowing how quick the word lookup is when it is running off a memory card.

>> Given that the dictionary is 36.8MB in size I think it would be safe to say
>> that most people would run it off the memory card so I'd be very interested
>> in knowing how smart the caching and lookup algorithms are. I would be
>> running it on a Sony Clie TH-55 using eReader Pro.

> Yes it does exist. After I got my M W Collegiate for my Palm, I
> considered the Unabridged for my Palm. I already have it on my Macs.
> The other poster is correct it would have to be loaded to a memory card,
> so I decided to pass on it as far as the Palm is concerned.

> Unfortunately I cannot remember the exact URL. But do a Google for
> MWUnabridged and you will find it.

Can't even find that for Palm at MW itself. Google comes up with lots
of hits for Collegiate (and older volumes), but I don't see any Third
New International. Used to have the dead tree version (1971 printing),
and had a copy of its precursor (from 1937). Great references!

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In article <YVaNc.22052$9J5.3096@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Julian" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> Has anyone got Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged
> on their Palm? I'm seriously considering getting it but I'm really interested
> in
> knowing how quick the word lookup is when it is running off a memory card.
>
> Given that the dictionary is 36.8MB in size I think it would be safe to say
> that most people would run it off the memory card so I'd be very interested
> in knowing how smart the caching and lookup algorithms are. I would be
> running it on a Sony Clie TH-55 using eReader Pro.
>
> Anyone?
>
> - Julian


I have M-W 3rd Int. Unabridged on my Tungsten-T2 SD card. It is a little
sluggish, but quite usable. You can find it at:

http://www.palmdigitalmedia.com/product/detail/12573

Note that you must also purchase Palm Reader Pro (now seems to be called
eReader Pro) to use it.

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"Dick Helliwell" <rph@stanfordalumni.org> wrote in message news:rph-35E20F.22221726072004@localhost...
> I have M-W 3rd Int. Unabridged on my Tungsten-T2 SD card. It is a little
> sluggish, but quite usable. You can find it at:
>
> http://www.palmdigitalmedia.com/product/detail/12573
>
> Note that you must also purchase Palm Reader Pro (now seems to be called
> eReader Pro) to use it.

Fantastic. You were exactly the type of person I was hoping to find here, i.e.
someone who really has it. I'm aware of all the caveats and I already have a
256MB memory card and eReader Pro.

A question (and I realize this might be a little difficult) can you define "a little
sluggish"? And no, don't go and look it up and give me the dictionary
definition :-)

By the above, do you mean 2 or 3 seconds delay in looking up a word or do you
mean 10 seconds, 20 seconds, or worse? I assume that the indexing algorithms
are sufficiently sophisticated that the time to lookup a word is fairly constant, i.e.
it's just as quick to find "zealot" as it is to find "aadvark".

- Julian

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"G. Michael Paine" <mipaine@comcast.net> wrote in message news:mipaine-2ED9B6.14044426072004@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <YVaNc.22052$9J5.3096@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> "Julian" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone got Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged
> > on their Palm? <SNIP>
>
> Yes it does exist. After I got my M W Collegiate for my Palm, I
> considered the Unabridged for my Palm. I already have it on my Macs.
> The other poster is correct it would have to be loaded to a memory card,
> so I decided to pass on it as far as the Palm is concerned.
>
> Unfortunately I cannot remember the exact URL. But do a Google for
> MWUnabridged and you will find it.
>
> Michael

Thanks. I know where to find it, www.ereader.com sell it for $62.96 (that's
with a 10% discount if you subscribe to their email newsletter). It's sitting in
my ereader wishlist at the moment, but interestingly enough so is M W Collegiate
(11th Edition). At the moment I am undecided between the two. You might be
the perfect person to provide some input for my decision.

I don't really need a dictionary of this calibre for my work, it's just one of the
utility applications that I want to install on my Palm so that it's always there if I
need it, and I'm afraid I have this annoying habit of always ending up talking
myself into buying the top of the range on anything I buy so naturally I'm following
my normal purchasing pattern and have ended up seriously considering the
Unabridged. Two things are making me hesitate: (1) The current Unabridged was
originally compiled in 1961. (2) What the performance will be like.

I hope that Dick Helliwell (the other reply to my post) can help me with (2).
Maybe you can help me with (1).

As I understand it the latest update of the print edition included an addendum at the
front with 14,000 additional words but the definitions in the body of the dictionary
are un-changed from 1961 (this is all according to various reviews I've read on the
net, mostly at amazon.com). Now I assume that in the elctronic version the newly
added words are sorted in with the original words (it would be rather peverse to
do otherwise) so at least the electronic version will look more seamless than the
print version. Is my assumption correct that the electronic version doesn't maintain
the distinction between the main 1961 body and the newer addendum? Do you
find the content dated compared to the M W Collegiate? Are there any other
observations that you could volunteer that might provide me with more data?

- Julian

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On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:11:53 GMT
Julian ( nospam@nospam.com )
wrote

> "G. Michael Paine" <mipaine@comcast.net> wrote in message news:mipaine-2ED9B6.14044426072004@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <YVaNc.22052$9J5.3096@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> > "Julian" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone got Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged
> > > on their Palm? <SNIP>
> >
> > Yes it does exist. After I got my M W Collegiate for my Palm, I
> > considered the Unabridged for my Palm. I already have it on my Macs.
> > The other poster is correct it would have to be loaded to a memory card,
> > so I decided to pass on it as far as the Palm is concerned.
> >
> > Unfortunately I cannot remember the exact URL. But do a Google for
> > MWUnabridged and you will find it.
> >
> > Michael
>
> Thanks. I know where to find it, www.ereader.com sell it for $62.96 (that's
> with a 10% discount if you subscribe to their email newsletter). It's sitting in
> my ereader wishlist at the moment, but interestingly enough so is M W Collegiate
> (11th Edition). At the moment I am undecided between the two. You might be
> the perfect person to provide some input for my decision.
>
> I don't really need a dictionary of this calibre for my work, it's just one of the
> utility applications that I want to install on my Palm so that it's always there if I
> need it, and I'm afraid I have this annoying habit of always ending up talking
> myself into buying the top of the range on anything I buy so naturally I'm following
> my normal purchasing pattern and have ended up seriously considering the
> Unabridged. Two things are making me hesitate: (1) The current Unabridged was
> originally compiled in 1961. (2) What the performance will be like.
>
> I hope that Dick Helliwell (the other reply to my post) can help me with (2).
> Maybe you can help me with (1).
>
> As I understand it the latest update of the print edition included an addendum at the
> front with 14,000 additional words but the definitions in the body of the dictionary
> are un-changed from 1961 (this is all according to various reviews I've read on the
> net, mostly at amazon.com). Now I assume that in the elctronic version the newly
> added words are sorted in with the original words (it would be rather peverse to
> do otherwise) so at least the electronic version will look more seamless than the
> print version. Is my assumption correct that the electronic version doesn't maintain
> the distinction between the main 1961 body and the newer addendum? Do you
> find the content dated compared to the M W Collegiate? Are there any other
> observations that you could volunteer that might provide me with more data?

What are you going to use the thing for? I have the little SlovoEd
dictionary on my Tungsten E because it enables me to have a
French/English and German/English dictionary running under the same
application, and both of these are pretty good. I have the English
Lexical database as part of the program which is not really a dictionary
at all, but does all I would want a palm dictionary to do: check
spellings, and give rudimentary usages, and act as a fairly useful
thesaurus. Admittedly it has "only" 140,000 words but it has only failed
to find my required word once. If I wanted to do some serious work
requiring a heavy duty dictionary I will be at my desk with access to
several on line or paper dictionaries, and for real work, I would rather
not wade around in a 320x320 screen linked to a processor that works at
a fraction of the speed of my desktop machine.
I can't quite see the point of something like the unabridged Webster's
or the World Book Encyclopaedia on a palm device.

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"Alan Brennan" <the.c@in.the.hat> wrote in message news:MPG.1b70ff5d4bf36355989711@news.clear.net.nz...
> What are you going to use the thing for? I have the little SlovoEd
> dictionary on my Tungsten E because it enables me to have a
> French/English and German/English dictionary running under the same
> application, and both of these are pretty good. I have the English
> Lexical database as part of the program which is not really a dictionary
> at all, but does all I would want a palm dictionary to do: check
> spellings, and give rudimentary usages, and act as a fairly useful
> thesaurus. Admittedly it has "only" 140,000 words but it has only failed
> to find my required word once. If I wanted to do some serious work
> requiring a heavy duty dictionary I will be at my desk with access to
> several on line or paper dictionaries, and for real work, I would rather
> not wade around in a 320x320 screen linked to a processor that works at
> a fraction of the speed of my desktop machine.
> I can't quite see the point of something like the unabridged Webster's
> or the World Book Encyclopaedia on a palm device.

Oh no, the voice of reason ;-).

Seriously though, all the points you make are valid and well made. I'm
not sure I can rationalise such a purchase and my reasons for purchasing
such a dictionary and carrying it on my Palm probably, under examination,
tend alarmingly close to "just because I can". Having said that, and since
you asked, I'll attempt to articulate my reasoning (without writing an essay).

I've just bought a new Palm (actually it's a Sony Clie TH55) and I'm using
this as an excuse to update my software, some of which I haven't changed
since my first Palm V in 1999. I carry my Palm with me everywhere in my
wallet and there are a number of utilities that I believe are useful to have
installed so that they are also with me everywhere, a dictionary is one of
them. For a utility that I will rarely use, $63 for Webster's Unabridged might
seem extravagant in the extreme but don't forget that I had some of the apps
on my old Palm since 1999 so any pain from spending $63 will totally
forgotten about in 6 months time, let alone 5 years time, so I'm thinking
that if I'm going to put a dictionary on this thing then why not just go the
whole hog and get the best (and I'm aware that there is the assumption here
that it is "the best").

I'm still coming back to a couple of issues (one of which you allude to in your
closing sentences). If the overhead of running such a huge dictionary on
a Palm is sufficiently overwealming to make it unpleasant to use (too slow
to access and too difficult to read the definitions) then there is no point. If
however it is useable, and not withstanding my concern regarding the 1961
vintage (my second issue, is it really the best?), then if I'm going to invest in a
dictionary then I don't see why I shouldn't go for the Webster's Unabridged.

By the way, I am well aware of SlovoEd and their Wordnet-derived
dictionary. It's very well done, the formatting of the definitions and the
design of the dictionary engine itself are models of clarity. I intend to also
install either SlovoEd or BDicty to handle foreign language dictionaries
and will probably put the WordNet dictionary on there as well for casual
use, but that's a subject for a whole other thread (I'm torn between SlovoEd
and BDicty, both have their strengths and weaknesses).

- Julian

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Julian rose quietly and spake the following:

> (I'm torn between SlovoEd
> and BDicty, both have their strengths and weaknesses).

I have both. I've used both. SlovoEd for Russian, BDicty for Spanish.

I prefer SlovoEd. Mind you, I can't tell you why I came to this conclusion
2 years ago, as I have since given up on learning Spanish and stopped using
BDicty.

--
Derek

If I'm "crippled by a lack of ethics", can I draw disability?

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Julian <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> I'm still coming back to a couple of issues (one of which you allude to in
> your closing sentences). If the overhead of running such a huge dictionary
> on a Palm is sufficiently overwealming to make it unpleasant to use (too
> slow to access and too difficult to read the definitions) then there is no
> point. If however it is useable, and not withstanding my concern regarding
> the 1961 vintage (my second issue, is it really the best?), then if I'm
> going to invest in a dictionary then I don't see why I shouldn't go for
> the Webster's Unabridged.

Well, I've purchased Oxford English Dictionary [all 23 volumes] on
CD-ROM. £299. And Encyclopædia Britannica. Both are placed om my laptop
....

> By the way, I am well aware of SlovoEd and their Wordnet-derived
> dictionary. It's very well done, the formatting of the definitions and the
> design of the dictionary engine itself are models of clarity. I intend to
> also install either SlovoEd or BDicty to handle foreign language
> dictionaries and will probably put the WordNet dictionary on there as well
> for casual use, but that's a subject for a whole other thread (I'm torn
> between SlovoEd and BDicty, both have their strengths and weaknesses).

I've tried SlovoEd and BDicty and I think I'll purchase the large BDicty
Linguist Dictionary Bundle for $69. 16 languages supported, Latin &
Greek included:

http://www.beiks.com/palmzonebg/bundles.htm

The only drawback is the lack of pronounciation information. A-lex,
which can be obtained from this address:

http://abstractrd.home.comcast.net/

has got the proper Engish pronounciation with Daniel Jones symbols. And
although Webster's Unabridged has probably got the pronounciation too,
it will probably only be the American pronounciation; I need RP.
--
Per Erik Rønne

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"Derek" <news@gwinn.us> wrote in message news:1psfy05icuox0$.dlg@gwinn.us...
> Julian rose quietly and spake the following:
>
> > (I'm torn between SlovoEd
> > and BDicty, both have their strengths and weaknesses).
>
> I have both. I've used both. SlovoEd for Russian, BDicty for Spanish.
>
> I prefer SlovoEd. Mind you, I can't tell you why I came to this conclusion
> 2 years ago, as I have since given up on learning Spanish and stopped using
> BDicty.

My brief take on it is that I far prefer the visual design of the SlovoEd
dictionary engine, it is head and shoulders above BDicty. Also, judged only
on the contents of the English dictionary, the formatting of the definitions
for SlovoEd are also far, far nicer than the ones for the corresponding
BDicty English dictionary.

The things that are causing me to hesitate re SlovoEd are:

1) They don't handle a 320x480 screen as well as BDicty. SlovoEd always
starts up in 320x320 whereas BDicty remembers the screen mode from
when it was last ran. Also, BDicty allows you to choose the size of the
definition and wordlist panes by dragging the divider whereas SlovoEd
doesn't. Small things I grant you, but they irritate me.

2) The range of dictionaries in BDicty is better than those for SlovoEd, it
includes talking phrasebooks, and they have some attractive pricing
bundles for French+German+Spanish (which are the main 3 I would
want, and maybe Italian as well).

I really am on the fence about this right now, but probably leaning slightly
towards SlovoEd because it is visually so much nicer, the pricing bundles
are only a cost issue and once bought then that is forgotten so that is a
temporary issue, and the talking phrase books could be considered a
different application so if I really wanted them I could just consider SlovoEd
my dictionary program and BDicty my phrasebook program.

I'm kind of holding out at the moment in the hope that SlovoEd will fix their
320x480 problem. If they do then I'd buy it that same day.

Julian

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Julian rose quietly and spake the following:

> I'm kind of holding out at the moment in the hope that SlovoEd will fix their
> 320x480 problem. If they do then I'd buy it that same day.

Have you asked them about it? They've always been pretty good at answering
my questions.

--
Derek

"There is a proverb. "As you have made your bed, so you must lie in it, "
which is simply a lie. If I have made my bed uncomfortable, please God, I
will make it again." -- G.K. Chesterson

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"Derek" <news@gwinn.us> wrote in message news:qpxd86zxr57x.dlg@gwinn.us...
> Julian rose quietly and spake the following:
>
> > I'm kind of holding out at the moment in the hope that SlovoEd will fix their
> > 320x480 problem. If they do then I'd buy it that same day.
>
> Have you asked them about it? They've always been pretty good at answering
> my questions.

Yeah. They are pretty responsive, but they admit that they don't have a TH55
to test on. They didn't really give a clear indication as to whether they were
going to fix it. I should email them again and ask the question, I suspect that
the behaviour may well be the same on a T3 which would be great if it was.

If anyone has a T3 and has the time, here is the experiment to try. I am assuming
that you run your launcher in full screen, i.e. with the Virtual Graffiti Area (VGA)
hidden. Do the following.

1) Launch SlovoEd
2) Hide the VGA within SlovoEd. You will now be in 320x480 mode.
3) Tap the home icon to get back to the launcher, you should still be in 320x480 mode.
4) Launch SlovoEd again.

What happens? If it does what it does on my TH55 then SlovoEd will pull up
the VGA and switch itself into 320x320 mode despite the fact that it was last
running in 320x480 and the screen state it inherited from the last app (the launcher)
was also 320x480.

I'd be really interested in knowing the results of this experiment on a T3.

- Julian

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"Julian" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> "Dick Helliwell" <rph@stanfordalumni.org> wrote in message
> news:rph-35E20F.22221726072004@localhost...
> > I have M-W 3rd Int. Unabridged on my Tungsten-T2 SD card. It is a little
> > sluggish, but quite usable. You can find it at:
> >
> > http://www.palmdigitalmedia.com/product/detail/12573
> >
> > Note that you must also purchase Palm Reader Pro (now seems to be called
> > eReader Pro) to use it.
>
> Fantastic. You were exactly the type of person I was hoping to find here,
> i.e.
> someone who really has it. I'm aware of all the caveats and I already have a
> 256MB memory card and eReader Pro.
>
> A question (and I realize this might be a little difficult) can you define "a
> little
> sluggish"? And no, don't go and look it up and give me the dictionary
> definition :-)
>
> By the above, do you mean 2 or 3 seconds delay in looking up a word or do you
> mean 10 seconds, 20 seconds, or worse? I assume that the indexing algorithms
> are sufficiently sophisticated that the time to lookup a word is fairly
> constant, i.e.
> it's just as quick to find "zealot" as it is to find "aadvark".
>
> - Julian
>
>

The only problem I have is that is does the lookups as you type. Each
character takes a little longer to lookup than the stroke to enter it.
This means that with Graffiti 2, entering "i" first looks up "l" and
then switches to "i". In any case, it usually takes less than 1 second
to lookup a newly entered letter.

--
Dick Helliwell

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"Dick Helliwell" <rph@NOSPAMstanfordalumni.org> wrote in message news:rph-F1FC61.20593027072004@localhost...
> The only problem I have is that is does the lookups as you type. Each
> character takes a little longer to lookup than the stroke to enter it.
> This means that with Graffiti 2, entering "i" first looks up "l" and
> then switches to "i". In any case, it usually takes less than 1 second
> to lookup a newly entered letter.
>
> --
> Dick Helliwell

Thank you. Personally, I think that's pretty outstanding for a dictionary of
that size. They obviously do have really smart indexing, caching and storage
access algorithms.

I'm a relatively old timer (Palm user since 1999) so the first thing I did was
revert my new TH55 back to Graffiti 1 so the "1" vs "i" problem won't be
an issue for me. I'm also evaluating SlovoEd for foreign language dictionaries
and have been playing with their big (8MB) english dictionary running off
memory card. SlovoEd also does incremental lookup but it is noticably
slower than input speed, probably 1 to 1.5 seconds delay for each character,
so it looks as if I will actually notice a speedup with Webster's Unabridged!

I'm pretty convinced now but, since you do seem to be actively watching
this thread, I hope you don't mind if I just trouble you with a few final
questions on format and content.

1) I got a "Websters Vest Pocket Dictionary" as one of the "free" books that
came bundled with eReader when I bought it. Does Webster's Unabridged
run in the same way, i.e. integrated with eReader so that when you look
up a word it pulls up a three pane window with the definition in the top
half of the screen, the word list in the bottom right and the word being
looked up in the bottom left?

2) How do you find the clarity of the definitions for a Palm-sized screen?
Have they tried to make sensible use of fonts, colour and/or line breaks
to make the definitions as easy as possible to read on a small screen?
Do any of the pictures survive the translation to the Palm? (I don't care, I'm
just curious.)

3) Do you have any issues with the body of the dictionary being 1961 vintage?
Is the new addendum reasonably comprehensive and seamlessly integrated
with the main definitions such that this isn't really an issue?

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions so far. This is looking like
a very realistic option now.

- Julian.

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"Per Rønne" <spam@husumtoften.invalid> wrote in message news:1ghlg0h.s1tzob1xexnm7N%spam@husumtoften.invalid...
> I've tried SlovoEd and BDicty and I think I'll purchase the large BDicty
> Linguist Dictionary Bundle for $69. 16 languages supported, Latin &
> Greek included:

If anyone following this thread is interested in the "small" (only 140,000 words!)
SlovoEd English dictionary then you might be interested to know that it is on
sale today as part of Palmgear's "Summer Spectacular" sale, down from $19.95
to $9.95. Here is the link: http://promo.palmgear.com/summerSale/palmgear.html

- Julian

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In article <JTpNc.11787$7t5.1816@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
"Julian" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> "G. Michael Paine" <mipaine@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:mipaine-2ED9B6.14044426072004@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > In article <YVaNc.22052$9J5.3096@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> > "Julian" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone got Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged
> > > on their Palm? <SNIP>
> >
> > Yes it does exist. After I got my M W Collegiate for my Palm, I
> > considered the Unabridged for my Palm. I already have it on my Macs.
> > The other poster is correct it would have to be loaded to a memory card,
> > so I decided to pass on it as far as the Palm is concerned.
> >
> > Unfortunately I cannot remember the exact URL. But do a Google for
> > MWUnabridged and you will find it.
> >
> > Michael
>
> Thanks. I know where to find it, www.ereader.com sell it for $62.96 (that's
> with a 10% discount if you subscribe to their email newsletter). It's sitting
> in
> my ereader wishlist at the moment, but interestingly enough so is M W
> Collegiate
> (11th Edition). At the moment I am undecided between the two. You might be
> the perfect person to provide some input for my decision.
>
> I don't really need a dictionary of this calibre for my work, it's just one
> of the
> utility applications that I want to install on my Palm so that it's always
> there if I
> need it, and I'm afraid I have this annoying habit of always ending up
> talking
> myself into buying the top of the range on anything I buy so naturally I'm
> following
> my normal purchasing pattern and have ended up seriously considering the
> Unabridged. Two things are making me hesitate: (1) The current Unabridged was
> originally compiled in 1961. (2) What the performance will be like.
>
> I hope that Dick Helliwell (the other reply to my post) can help me with (2).
> Maybe you can help me with (1).
>
> As I understand it the latest update of the print edition included an
> addendum at the
> front with 14,000 additional words but the definitions in the body of the
> dictionary
> are un-changed from 1961 (this is all according to various reviews I've read
> on the
> net, mostly at amazon.com). Now I assume that in the elctronic version the
> newly
> added words are sorted in with the original words (it would be rather peverse
> to
> do otherwise) so at least the electronic version will look more seamless than
> the
> print version. Is my assumption correct that the electronic version doesn't
> maintain
> the distinction between the main 1961 body and the newer addendum? Do you
> find the content dated compared to the M W Collegiate? Are there any other
> observations that you could volunteer that might provide me with more data?
>
> - Julian
>
>

I have open my print ed. of the 3rd International. The copyright date is
1993. There are no addendums in it so I must conclude that any such
added after the 1961 date have been merged into this edition.
The MW Collegiate, 11th ed. is copyright, 2003 and refers to the latest
ed. of the International ed.
You notice that the International being sold for Palm says "first sold"
in 2003, but I do not see a copyright date. But I would think is safe to
assume they have used the 1993 ed. You might ask them. I had questions
about both editions for my Palm and MW. was very quick to answer my
query.

I don't know if any of this will be of value, but it is fun.


Michael

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"Julian" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>so it looks as if I will actually notice a speedup with Webster's Unabridged!
>
>I'm pretty convinced now

Please let us know if you do decide to get it, and how you like it.
It's a pretty pricey upgrade, but I'm contemplating it myself, as not
_all_ of the words I try to look up are found in the 10M eReader
dictionary.

Thanks!

--
William Smith
ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc. www.compusmiths.com

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On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:40:34 GMT
Julian ( nospam@nospam.com )
wrote

> "Per Rønne" <spam@husumtoften.invalid> wrote in message news:1ghlg0h.s1tzob1xexnm7N%spam@husumtoften.invalid...
> > I've tried SlovoEd and BDicty and I think I'll purchase the large BDicty
> > Linguist Dictionary Bundle for $69. 16 languages supported, Latin &
> > Greek included:
>
> If anyone following this thread is interested in the "small" (only 140,000 words!)
> SlovoEd English dictionary then you might be interested to know that it is on
> sale today as part of Palmgear's "Summer Spectacular" sale, down from $19..95
> to $9.95. Here is the link: http://promo.palmgear.com/summerSale/palmgear..html
>
> - Julian
I hope you keep us informed when you buy Websters, as to how it performs
and how you are using it. For me this thread has been helpful in that it
has pushed me over the edge of my own doubts and I am about to order the
Oxford English Dictionary on CD-ROM. At $295 or thereabouts plus a
further $200 to upgrade to version 3 it's expensive but not as expensive
as the $1,000 or so for the paper edition - or $6,0000 if I want it
bound in blue leather!

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"Alan Brennan" <the.c@in.the.hat> wrote in message news:MPG.1b723ef4e7ff4b6f989712@news.clear.net.nz...
>I hope you keep us informed when you buy Websters, as to how it performs
>and how you are using it. For me this thread has been helpful in that it
>has pushed me over the edge of my own doubts and I am about to order the
>Oxford English Dictionary on CD-ROM. At $295 or thereabouts plus a
>further $200 to upgrade to version 3 it's expensive but not as expensive
>as the $1,000 or so for the paper edition - or $6,0000 if I want it
>bound in blue leather!

I will. It's the least I can do, I've been really pleasantly suprised at how helpful
(and challenging, in a good way) the responses here have been. I did go to the OED
site as part of my general investigations of dictionaries, obviously not applicable
for a Palm, but what a piece of work! You have definitely chosen the best. A blue
leather edition would be nice I suppose, but then so would a small car, which
is almost what you could buy for $6,000!

Pending the answers to a couple of final questions, I hope to be in a position
to buy the Webster's Unabridged next week so, if all goes well, expect a status
report in about 7 days time.

- Julian

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Alan Brennan <the.c@in.the.hat> wrote:

> For me this thread has been helpful in that it has pushed me over the edge
> of my own doubts and I am about to order the Oxford English Dictionary on
> CD-ROM. At $295 or thereabouts plus a further $200 to upgrade to version 3
> it's expensive

I purchased the OED on CD-ROM version 2 in 2001 in Oxord and paid £299
for it. I later had it updated to version 3 and it did /not/ cost
something like $200. Rather, it was possible to purchase the version 3
for less than £299 until three months after the release - probably
something like £200 or £250. I think that will be the case when version
3.1 is released; according to:

http://www.oup.co.uk/isbn/0-19-861016-5

Oxford English Dictionary Second Edition on CD-ROM version 3.1 will be
released 16 September 2004.

BTW, £ is not $ ...
--
Per Erik Rønne

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Derek <news@gwinn.us> wrote:

> I prefer SlovoEd. Mind you, I can't tell you why I came to this conclusion
> 2 years ago, as I have since given up on learning Spanish and stopped using
> BDicty.

Another option is RoadLingua:

http://www.absoluteword.com/latengwhi/

Its WorldNet English dictionary has 145729 entries and lot of languages
are supported.
--
Per Erik Rønne