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Hallo!

Is there an algorithmus/programm like Zip to compress several
Audiofiles and put them into one file? Audio has a lot of redundance,
so a lossless(!) compression of audio, especially raw material of
single tracks, should be possible.
Faktor 5 until 10 depending on level (often you don't need 24bit) and
programm (e.g. quiet parts beetween single bassdrum hits).

I do not mean mp3 or other compression algorithm with actual data
reduction.

Greetings Thomas

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in article 1125929677.533814.84700@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, Thomas
Thiele at jana.luetz@gmx.de wrote on 9/5/05 9:14 AM:

> Hallo!
>
> Is there an algorithmus/programm like Zip to compress several
> Audiofiles and put them into one file? Audio has a lot of redundance,
> so a lossless(!) compression of audio, especially raw material of
> single tracks, should be possible.
> Faktor 5 until 10 depending on level (often you don't need 24bit) and
> programm (e.g. quiet parts beetween single bassdrum hits).
>
> I do not mean mp3 or other compression algorithm with actual data
> reduction.
>
> Greetings Thomas
>


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"Thomas Thiele" <jana.luetz@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:1125929677.533814.84700@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
> Hallo!
>
> Is there an algorithmus/programm like Zip to compress
> several Audiofiles and put them into one file? Audio has
> a lot of redundance, so a lossless(!) compression of
> audio, especially raw material of single tracks, should
> be possible.
> Faktor 5 until 10 depending on level (often you don't
> need 24bit) and programm (e.g. quiet parts beetween
> single bassdrum hits).
>

Sure lots of them:

http://www.firstpr.com.au/audiocomp/lossless/

http://www.lossless-audio.com/comparison.htm

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> Is there an algorithm/program like Zip to compress
> several audiofiles and put them into one file?

It's spelled "audiophiles" and I don't think they'd like that...

Oh, wait. Sorry. You meant "audio files".

Yes, there is such a program. It's called Zip.

Zip works with any tpe of file. A compression program specifically designed
for musical redundancies might produce greater compression, but Zip will
work.

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I'd like to try to compress some audiophiles!!! Nice idea! hehehe

What program would you suggest on Mac?


"William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:ovudnZF_Psq7woHeRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
> > Is there an algorithm/program like Zip to compress
> > several audiofiles and put them into one file?
>
> It's spelled "audiophiles" and I don't think they'd like that...
>
> Oh, wait. Sorry. You meant "audio files".
>
> Yes, there is such a program. It's called Zip.
>
> Zip works with any tpe of file. A compression program specifically
designed
> for musical redundancies might produce greater compression, but Zip will
> work.
>
>

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>but Zip will work.

No, it doesn't!

The compression is not high enough.
It takes much more time to compress the audio files as to burn some
additional DVDs.

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Arny Krueger:

>Sure lots of them:

Thanks.

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"Thomas Thiele" wrote ...
> >but Zip will work.
>
> No, it doesn't!
>
> The compression is not high enough.
> It takes much more time to compress the audio files as
> to burn some additional DVDs.

Which is why there are things like FLAC, etc.

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>> but Zip will work.

> No, it doesn't!

> The compression is not high enough.
> It takes much more time to compress
> the audio files as to burn some
> additional DVDs.

But it does work. It just doesn't work the way you want.

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On 2005-09-05, Thomas Thiele <jana.luetz@gmx.de> wrote:

> Is there an algorithmus/programm like Zip to compress several
> Audiofiles and put them into one file? Audio has a lot of redundance,
> so a lossless(!) compression of audio, especially raw material of
> single tracks, should be possible.
> Faktor 5 until 10 depending on level (often you don't need 24bit) and
> programm (e.g. quiet parts beetween single bassdrum hits).

For lossless audio compression use Flac, Monkey's Audio, etc.
On most material, the compression factor will be closer to 2
than to 10.

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There's some info on "Lossless Real Time Coding" on the Merging site
(the guys who make Pyramix). www.merging.com - look for LRC

Al

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"William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ovudnZF_Psq7woHeRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
>> Is there an algorithm/program like Zip to compress
>> several audiofiles and put them into one file?
>
> It's spelled "audiophiles" and I don't think they'd like that...
>
> Oh, wait. Sorry. You meant "audio files".
>
> Yes, there is such a program. It's called Zip.
>
> Zip works with any tpe of file. A compression program specifically
> designed
> for musical redundancies might produce greater compression, but Zip will
> work.


Then the is (was?) WaveZip . Optimised for audio type data.

geoff

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William Sommerwerck:

>But it does work. It just doesn't work the way you want.

Same with Behringer stuff and Alesis digital EQ...

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Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:10:25 +1200, geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz suggested:
:
: "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
: news:ovudnZF_Psq7woHeRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
:>> Is there an algorithm/program like Zip to compress
:>> several audiofiles and put them into one file?
:>
:> It's spelled "audiophiles" and I don't think they'd like that...
:>
:> Oh, wait. Sorry. You meant "audio files".
:>
:> Yes, there is such a program. It's called Zip.
:>
:> Zip works with any tpe of file. A compression program specifically
:> designed
:> for musical redundancies might produce greater compression, but Zip will
:> work.
:
:
: Then the is (was?) WaveZip . Optimised for audio type data.

FLAC is good for the compression part, but it only compresses single
files, it doesn't create archives. I suppose you could squash all of your
files with FLAC and then Zip them in 'fast' mode. Two-part process,
though.

--
agreenbu @ nyx . net andrew michael greenburg

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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:20:44 +0000, andrewunix wrote:

> Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:10:25 +1200, geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz suggested:
> :
> : "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
> : news:ovudnZF_Psq7woHeRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
> :>> Is there an algorithm/program like Zip to compress
> :>> several audiofiles and put them into one file?
> :>
> :> It's spelled "audiophiles" and I don't think they'd like that...
> :>
> :> Oh, wait. Sorry. You meant "audio files".
> :>
> :> Yes, there is such a program. It's called Zip.
> :>
> :> Zip works with any tpe of file. A compression program specifically
> :> designed
> :> for musical redundancies might produce greater compression, but Zip will
> :> work.
> :
> :
> : Then the is (was?) WaveZip . Optimised for audio type data.
>
> FLAC is good for the compression part, but it only compresses single
> files, it doesn't create archives. I suppose you could squash all of your
> files with FLAC and then Zip them in 'fast' mode. Two-part process,
> though.

Rar in multimedia mode gives pretty good compression on wav files, and
will create archives. It's also got some neat recovery features.

My preferred choice for multiple files is to use flac then create a
tarball. There's no compression with tarballs so you don't have to wait
ages or risk actually making the files bigger. (Compressing compressed
data can make bigger files than you started with!)

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In article <1125954365.217017.134120@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<alistair@themagicofradio.com> wrote:

> There's some info on "Lossless Real Time Coding" on the Merging site
> (the guys who make Pyramix). www.merging.com - look for LRC
>
> Al
>
whatever happened to Zap? that thing that emagic developed.

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