Which Chess Program? Fritz 8, Hiarcs 9, etc...

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Time to trade in my ancient Fritz 5.32! I'm looking for a new program to
analyse my games and do training against. Is there much between the various
engines that ChessBase offer? It seems I can get Fritz 8 for £20 off Amazon
while the others are closer to £40 off specialist chess vendors.

Am I right in thinking the interface all offer the same functionality
offered by the Fritz 8 interface:
http://www.chessbase.com/fritz8/

I'm running on an Athlon XP 2200 with 1 GB RAM if that makes any difference.

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    Ruud wrote:
    > Chessbase-engines all use the same interface.

    Isn't the Fritz interface different? Otherwise, they use similar
    interfaces and engines if they are of the same generation. E.g. I have
    Junior 8 and Hiarcs 8. For engines, Junior 8 uses ChessProgram8 but
    Hiarcs8 uses ChessProgram7. You can mix and match: any ChessBase
    engine (and a few others) will work with any Chessbase interface.

    Dan

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    > "Jonathan Lonsdale" <jon-news123@123jlonsdale.net> schreef in bericht
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    > > Time to trade in my ancient Fritz 5.32! I'm looking for a new program to
    > > analyse my games and do training against. Is there much between the
    > > various engines that ChessBase offer? It seems I can get Fritz 8 for £20
    > > off Amazon while the others are closer to £40 off specialist chess
    > > vendors.
    > >
    > > Am I right in thinking the interface all offer the same functionality
    > > offered by the Fritz 8 interface:
    > > http://www.chessbase.com/fritz8/
    > >
    > > I'm running on an Athlon XP 2200 with 1 GB RAM if that makes any
    > > difference.
    > >
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    Ruud wrote:
    > Chessbase-engines all use the same interface.

    Isn't the Fritz interface different? Otherwise, they use similar
    interfaces and engines if they are of the same generation. E.g. I have
    Junior 8 and Hiarcs 8. For engines, Junior 8 uses ChessProgram8 but
    Hiarcs8 uses ChessProgram7. You can mix and match: any ChessBase
    engine (and a few others) will work with any Chessbase interface.

    Dan

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    > "Jonathan Lonsdale" <jon-news123@123jlonsdale.net> schreef in bericht
    > news:Zc2ne.4129$%21.3932@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
    > > Time to trade in my ancient Fritz 5.32! I'm looking for a new program to
    > > analyse my games and do training against. Is there much between the
    > > various engines that ChessBase offer? It seems I can get Fritz 8 for £20
    > > off Amazon while the others are closer to £40 off specialist chess
    > > vendors.
    > >
    > > Am I right in thinking the interface all offer the same functionality
    > > offered by the Fritz 8 interface:
    > > http://www.chessbase.com/fritz8/
    > >
    > > I'm running on an Athlon XP 2200 with 1 GB RAM if that makes any
    > > difference.
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    Chessbase-engines all use the same interface. The nice thing about it is
    the chess media system, so you can get tv- and radio-broadcasts and
    trainings on internet.
    As to quality of chess-engine play, there's not much between fritz and
    hiarcs, but shredder9 seems to be a little better, as is junior9.
    The ranking lists on the chessbase server is:
    shredder9 2655
    shredder8 2632
    fritz8 2585
    junior9 2581
    chesstiger15 2570
    hiarcs9 2560
    fritz7 2552

    These ratings are based on engine vs. engine matches, so they show the
    strength between them..
    The multi-processor versions of the engines are a bit stronger.

    So, 20,- pounds price difference is nice, but make sure you get a
    registration number with it, or some functions on internet won't work.

    "Jonathan Lonsdale" <jon-news123@123jlonsdale.net> schreef in bericht
    news:Zc2ne.4129$%21.3932@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
    > Time to trade in my ancient Fritz 5.32! I'm looking for a new program to
    > analyse my games and do training against. Is there much between the
    > various engines that ChessBase offer? It seems I can get Fritz 8 for £20
    > off Amazon while the others are closer to £40 off specialist chess
    > vendors.
    >
    > Am I right in thinking the interface all offer the same functionality
    > offered by the Fritz 8 interface:
    > http://www.chessbase.com/fritz8/
    >
    > I'm running on an Athlon XP 2200 with 1 GB RAM if that makes any
    > difference.
    >
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    Ruud wrote:
    <snip>
    > As to quality of chess-engine play, there's not much between fritz and
    > hiarcs, but shredder9 seems to be a little better, as is junior9.
    > The ranking lists on the chessbase server is:
    > shredder9 2655
    > shredder8 2632
    > fritz8 2585
    > junior9 2581
    > chesstiger15 2570
    > hiarcs9 2560
    > fritz7 2552
    >
    > These ratings are based on engine vs. engine matches, so they show the
    > strength between them..
    > The multi-processor versions of the engines are a bit stronger.
    >
    <snip>
    Why focus on engine-strength?
    Isn't the independent style of the engines, and the purpose of it's use
    more important factors, than just mean engine-engine power?

    HD
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    "HD" <HDChess@gmail.com> wrote in message
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    > Ruud wrote:
    > <snip>
    >> These ratings are based on engine vs. engine matches, so they show the
    >> strength between them..
    >> The multi-processor versions of the engines are a bit stronger.
    >>
    > <snip>
    > Why focus on engine-strength?
    > Isn't the independent style of the engines, and the purpose of it's use
    > more important factors, than just mean engine-engine power?

    Yeah - this is what I'd really like to hear about. I'm sure all these
    engines are statistically strong enough to wipe me off the board! I'm more
    interested in peoples' subjective impression. What kind of gaming experience
    do they give you. How about the flavour of the analysis.

    For instance I've heard that Hiarcs offers the most human-like play and is
    very positional whereas Junior specialises in material compensation. I also
    read an article on how various engines were being used to analyse a typical
    KID position. Most wanted to bolster the queenside with b6 but only one
    wanted to play the thematic g5 continuing on the kingside.

    I've used Fritz for tactical analysis but never really played against
    computers much. Ideally I'd like a style approximating what I'd expect from
    a strong experienced human player but that's probably expecting too much! If
    it's all a much of muchness then I guess I might as well save myself some
    cash and just go for Fritz 8 off Amazon.

    If you want to rave about your favourite engine then I'd love to hear!

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    Better play gives more beautifull combinations.

    "Jonathan Lonsdale" <jon-news123@123jlonsdale.net> schreef in bericht
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    > "HD" <HDChess@gmail.com> wrote in message
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    >> Ruud wrote:
    >> <snip>
    >>> These ratings are based on engine vs. engine matches, so they show the
    >>> strength between them..
    >>> The multi-processor versions of the engines are a bit stronger.
    >>>
    >> <snip>
    >> Why focus on engine-strength?
    >> Isn't the independent style of the engines, and the purpose of it's use
    >> more important factors, than just mean engine-engine power?
    >
    > Yeah - this is what I'd really like to hear about. I'm sure all these
    > engines are statistically strong enough to wipe me off the board! I'm more
    > interested in peoples' subjective impression. What kind of gaming
    > experience do they give you. How about the flavour of the analysis.
    >
    > For instance I've heard that Hiarcs offers the most human-like play and is
    > very positional whereas Junior specialises in material compensation. I
    > also read an article on how various engines were being used to analyse a
    > typical KID position. Most wanted to bolster the queenside with b6 but
    > only one wanted to play the thematic g5 continuing on the kingside.
    >
    > I've used Fritz for tactical analysis but never really played against
    > computers much. Ideally I'd like a style approximating what I'd expect
    > from a strong experienced human player but that's probably expecting too
    > much! If it's all a much of muchness then I guess I might as well save
    > myself some cash and just go for Fritz 8 off Amazon.
    >
    > If you want to rave about your favourite engine then I'd love to hear!
    >
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    I use Shredder 9 UCI and am very happy with it. There is also a
    Chessbase version of Shredder 9 I think.
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    Jonathan Lonsdale wrote:
    <snip>
    >><snip>
    >>Why focus on engine-strength?
    >>Isn't the independent style of the engines, and the purpose of it's use
    >>more important factors, than just mean engine-engine power?
    >
    >
    > Yeah - this is what I'd really like to hear about. I'm sure all these
    > engines are statistically strong enough to wipe me off the board! I'm more
    > interested in peoples' subjective impression. What kind of gaming experience
    > do they give you. How about the flavour of the analysis.
    >
    > For instance I've heard that Hiarcs offers the most human-like play and is
    > very positional

    Not untrue, especially Hiarcs 8 Bareev that commes with Hiarcs 9.

    > whereas Junior specialises in material compensation.

    True, but also more "human" than most engines. While Junior per
    definiton isn't that good in endgames, Junior 9 is clearly improved.

    > I also
    > read an article on how various engines were being used to analyse a typical
    > KID position. Most wanted to bolster the queenside with b6 but only one
    > wanted to play the thematic g5 continuing on the kingside.
    >
    Gambit Tiger 2.0 (that came with Chess Tiger 14.0) is one known for that
    - others may do that too, but that needs to seen and mentioned.

    > I've used Fritz for tactical analysis but never really played against
    > computers much. Ideally I'd like a style approximating what I'd expect from
    > a strong experienced human player but that's probably expecting too much! If
    > it's all a much of muchness then I guess I might as well save myself some
    > cash and just go for Fritz 8 off Amazon.
    >
    > If you want to rave about your favourite engine then I'd love to hear!
    >
    Shredder still gets most of it's points in the endgame, but it's a
    fascinating all-round program.

    You could get some impressions by loggin into Playschess.com via their
    free client program (download from: http://www.playchess.com/), and
    visit the engine room as a guest. There you can watch some games with
    different programs, or maybe get one yourself!?

    HD
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