Fidelity all day game, Power outage ends game...

[Chuck]

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Oh what a great game, and I enjoyed every bit of it. I held my own, played
a great game, no blunders. Facing a computer set on its strongest setting
that in its day had been rated as 2150, and being a 1650 player, I knew my
only chance would be to pull as many teeth out of the Fidelity's superior
tactical abilty, and try to take away its ability to outwit me, and that's
what I did. I went on the offensive and played every single exchange I
could. It came down to a great end game with a classic pawn foot race
leading to the last exchange leaving me with both my Bishops, vs the
Fidelity with a lone knight and I thought I had it, that's if I could figure
it out. Well sadly round and round it went, and I just couldn't figure it
out. It blocked every thing I tried, and tired, and mentally exhausted I
decided that I needed to call it a night, and research this type of ending
in the morning, regroup and see if I could pull it off. Well a thunderstorm
blew through and took the power out and my game was lost. I just didn't
feel like setting the game up and continuing this morning. At this point
I'm just glad I somehow held my own, but very upset that I had the upper
hand and just couldn't figure it out.

Any good links to end games dealing with 2 bishops vs knight endings would
be great.

 

[ES]

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If all that was left was 2 bishops, 1 knight and 2 kings, then it's a
5-piece ending and the solution is completely known. If you can
remember the position, try the Nalimov Tablebase Server at
http://www.lokasoft.nl/tbweb.htm and see if you had a win.

Chuck wrote:
> Oh what a great game, and I enjoyed every bit of it. I held my own, played
> a great game, no blunders. Facing a computer set on its strongest setting
> that in its day had been rated as 2150, and being a 1650 player, I knew my
> only chance would be to pull as many teeth out of the Fidelity's superior
> tactical abilty, and try to take away its ability to outwit me, and that's
> what I did. I went on the offensive and played every single exchange I
> could. It came down to a great end game with a classic pawn foot race
> leading to the last exchange leaving me with both my Bishops, vs the
> Fidelity with a lone knight and I thought I had it, that's if I could figure
> it out. Well sadly round and round it went, and I just couldn't figure it
> out. It blocked every thing I tried, and tired, and mentally exhausted I
> decided that I needed to call it a night, and research this type of ending
> in the morning, regroup and see if I could pull it off. Well a thunderstorm
> blew through and took the power out and my game was lost. I just didn't
> feel like setting the game up and continuing this morning. At this point
> I'm just glad I somehow held my own, but very upset that I had the upper
> hand and just couldn't figure it out.
>
> Any good links to end games dealing with 2 bishops vs knight endings would
> be great.

 

[ceebee]

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ES <seidDELETETHIS@earthlink.net> wrote in
rec.games.chess.computer:

> If all that was left was 2 bishops, 1 knight and 2 kings, then
> it's a 5-piece ending and the solution is completely known. If
> you can remember the position, try the Nalimov Tablebase Server
> at http://www.lokasoft.nl/tbweb.htm and see if you had a win.


From Wilhelm, in this case with white two bishops and black a
knight:


White mates in 78: 600 (0%)
White mates in 77: 4416 (0%)
White mates in 76: 17712 (0%)
White mates in 75: 55520 (0%)
White mates in 74: 493376 (0,07%)
White mates in 73: 1923208 (0,28%)
White mates in 72: 4088616 (0,59%)
White mates in 71: 6110384 (0,89%)
White mates in 70: 7757992 (1,13%)
White mates in 69: 9227160 (1,35%)
White mates in 68: 10597128 (1,55%)
White mates in 67: 11678272 (1,7%)
White mates in 66: 11821000 (1,73%)
White mates in 65: 11083464 (1,62%)
White mates in 64: 9595744 (1,4%)
White mates in 63: 7904008 (1,15%)
White mates in 62: 6583672 (0,96%)
White mates in 61: 5553128 (0,81%)
White mates in 60: 4684648 (0,68%)
White mates in 59: 3849296 (0,56%)
White mates in 58: 2968816 (0,43%)
White mates in 57: 2050992 (0,3%)
White mates in 56: 1363080 (0,19%)
White mates in 55: 1013056 (0,14%)
White mates in 54: 918648 (0,13%)
White mates in 53: 888424 (0,13%)
White mates in 52: 920800 (0,13%)
White mates in 51: 1009808 (0,14%)
White mates in 50: 1248320 (0,18%)
White mates in 49: 1548296 (0,22%)
White mates in 48: 1796112 (0,26%)
White mates in 47: 1972168 (0,28%)
White mates in 46: 2106416 (0,3%)
White mates in 45: 2261544 (0,33%)
White mates in 44: 2407272 (0,35%)
White mates in 43: 2503952 (0,36%)
White mates in 42: 2530664 (0,37%)
White mates in 41: 2427904 (0,35%)
White mates in 40: 2183736 (0,31%)
White mates in 39: 1908600 (0,27%)
White mates in 38: 1714392 (0,25%)
White mates in 37: 1622976 (0,23%)
White mates in 36: 1600256 (0,23%)
White mates in 35: 1674968 (0,24%)
White mates in 34: 1785560 (0,26%)
White mates in 33: 1856688 (0,27%)
White mates in 32: 1893712 (0,27%)
White mates in 31: 1883592 (0,27%)
White mates in 30: 1914208 (0,28%)
White mates in 29: 1919880 (0,28%)
White mates in 28: 1880704 (0,27%)
White mates in 27: 1753912 (0,25%)
White mates in 26: 1606320 (0,23%)
White mates in 25: 1615080 (0,23%)
White mates in 24: 1811144 (0,26%)
White mates in 23: 2302856 (0,33%)
White mates in 22: 3039712 (0,44%)
White mates in 21: 4115024 (0,6%)
White mates in 20: 5767248 (0,84%)
White mates in 19: 7393960 (1,08%)
White mates in 18: 11267160 (1,64%)
White mates in 17: 14262232 (2,08%)
White mates in 16: 12891264 (1,88%)
White mates in 15: 10453360 (1,52%)
White mates in 14: 8318576 (1,21%)
White mates in 13: 5979096 (0,87%)
White mates in 12: 4361776 (0,63%)
White mates in 11: 3027688 (0,44%)
White mates in 10: 1935416 (0,28%)
White mates in 9: 1287016 (0,18%)
White mates in 8: 830584 (0,12%)
White mates in 7: 563672 (0,08%)
White mates in 6: 373672 (0,05%)
White mates in 5: 325280 (0,04%)
White mates in 4: 278688 (0,04%)
White mates in 3: 362584 (0,05%)
White mates in 2: 463984 (0,06%)
White mates in 1: 344392 (0,05%)
White mates in 0: 63664 (0%)
ø white mates in 42,08 (40,33%)
Drawn: 407665376 (59,66%)
Black mates in 0: 352 (0%)
Black mates in 1: 1776 (0%)

Well, easy, really, those endgames.

--
CeeBee

***The cookie has spoken***

 

[Guest]

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Sounds like you had an exciting game , id just say it was a draw since
playing another 45 + moves to checkmate it...

 

[Chuck]

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Hah, well said, oh those endgames... I fought so hard, and well I'll just
let you have the fun of figuring it out. When I won the last exchange, and
being up on material, I was very excited that I was going to beat this old
machine. I thought it looked like a simple game of back the King up and
trap him, and found out real quick that wasn't the case, and it turned into
a real headache. Here is
my final position, and sure I'd love to see what the solution is, but try it
a few rounds yourself without the computer... Like trying to catch the
wind!!! UGhhh.

Here is my final position... have fun...!!

White pieces
King on h3
Bishop on f3
Bishop on e3

Black pieces
King on g6
Knight on h5

....white to move.



> If all that was left was 2 bishops, 1 knight and 2 kings, then
> it's a 5-piece ending and the solution is completely known. If
> you can remember the position, try the Nalimov Tablebase Server
> at http://www.lokasoft.nl/tbweb.htm and see if you had a win.


Well, easy, really, those endgames.

--
CeeBee

***The cookie has spoken***

 

[Guest]

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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:44:33 -0500, "Chuck" <clm701@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hah, well said, oh those endgames... I fought so hard, and well I'll just
>let you have the fun of figuring it out. When I won the last exchange, and
>being up on material, I was very excited that I was going to beat this old
>machine. I thought it looked like a simple game of back the King up and
>trap him, and found out real quick that wasn't the case, and it turned into
>a real headache. Here is
>my final position, and sure I'd love to see what the solution is, but try it
>a few rounds yourself without the computer... Like trying to catch the
>wind!!! UGhhh.
>
>Here is my final position... have fun...!!
>
>White pieces
>King on h3
>Bishop on f3
>Bishop on e3
>
>Black pieces
>King on g6
>Knight on h5
>
>...white to move.

From Crafty with the Nalimov Tablebases connected:

8/8/6k1/7n/8/4BB1K/8/8 w
1. Kg4! Nf6+! 2. Kf4! Nh5+! 3. Ke5! Ng7! 4. Bd5 Nh5 5. Bb3 Ng7! 6.
Bd4! Nh5! 7. Bc2+ Kf7! 8. Kd6! Ng7! 9. Kd7! Nh5! 10. Bb3+! Kg6! 11.
Ke7! Kf5! 12. Bb6 Ng3! 13. Bc2+! Kf4! 14. Bc7+! Kf3! 15. Bd1+! Kf2!
16. Ke6! Ne2! 17. Bb6+! Ke1! 18. Bc2! Kd2! 19. Bf5! Kc3! 20. Kd5!
Nf4+ 21. Ke4! Nd3! 22. Bd4+! Kd2! 23. Bg6! Ke2! 24. Bb6! Nf2+! 25.
Ke5! Nd3+! 26. Kd4! Ne1! 27. Ke4! Nd3! 28. Bh5+! Kd2! 29. Kd4! Nf2!
30. Ba5+! Kc2! 31. Kc4! Kc1! 32. Be8 Nd1 33. Bb4! Kb2! 34. Bf7 Ne3+!
35. Kd3! Nc2! 36. Bf8 Na3! 37. Bg7+! Kc1! 38. Be8 Nb1! 39. Ba4! Na3!
40. Kc3! Nb1+! 41. Kb3! Kd1 42. Kb2+ Kd2 43. Kxb1 Kd3! 44. Bb3! Kd2
45. Bc2! Ke2! 46. Bh6 Ke1 47. Bg6 Kf1 48. Bh5 Ke1 49. Kc2 Kf1 50.
Kd3 Kf2! 51. Bg5 Ke1 52. Ke3! Kf1 53. Kf3! Ke1 54. Kg3! Kf1 55. Bd2!
Kg1 56. Be8 Kf1 57. Bb5+! Kg1 58. Be3+! Kh1 59. Bc6#

This was the last ending discussed by John Nunn in his trilogy based
upon the databases of Ken Thompson. See Secrets of Minor-Piece Endings
for this one.

Next time, plug your unit into a UPS first.

Clifford Stern
ax810@lafn.org

 

[Chuck]

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Yes, it was a very exciting game, and I am still recovering being that the
game lasted 14 hours off an on. Yes it would have been a draw cause I had
12 more moves before my Fidelity would have called the game a draw due to
the 50 move rule. Ok, great I can accept that this game ended in a draw
with no shame seeing that a mate solution on my part was clearly beyond my
skill level, and even a GM would be hard pressed to play it out.


"Mike B" <Sin768@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:20770-42B7540E-936@storefull-3117.bay.webtv.net...
Sounds like you had an exciting game , id just say it was a draw since
playing another 45 + moves to checkmate it...

 

[Chuck]

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If I would have only known that this type of ending was this complex I would
have played out the draw, and called it a day. The mate solution for this
ending was clearly beyond my play level, but at first it didn't seem so.
Yes, the UPS will certainly be used when I am ready for my rematch.


This was the last ending discussed by John Nunn in his trilogy based
upon the databases of Ken Thompson. See Secrets of Minor-Piece Endings
for this one.

Next time, plug your unit into a UPS first.

Clifford Stern
ax810@lafn.org

 

[Guest]

Archived from groups: rec.games.chess.computer (More info?)

This is mate in 59. However the Knight is won on move 43 so it may well be
that the original position is drawn due to the 50 move rule. Solution below:



1.Kg4 Nf6+ 2.Kf4 Nh5+ 3.Ke5 Ng7 4.Bd5 Nh5 5.Bd4 Ng7 6.Bb3 Nh5 7.Bc2+ Kf7
8.Kd6 Ng7 9.Kd7 Nh5 10.Bb3+ Kg6 11.Ke7 Kf5 12.Bc2+ Kf4 13.Bb6 Ng3 14.Bc7+
Kf3 15.Bd1+ Kf2 16.Ke6 Ne2 17.Bb6+ Ke1 18.Bc2 Kd2 19.Bf5 Kc3 20.Kd5 Kd2
21.Bh7 Nf4+ 22.Ke4 Nd3 23.Bg6 Kc3 24.Bd4+ Kd2 25.Bf6 Nb4 26.Bf7 Nc6 27.Bh4
Nb4 28.Bd8 Kc2 29.Ke3 Nc6 30.Bf6 Na7 31.Be8 Kb3 32.Kd4 Kb4 33.Be7+ Ka5
34.Kc5 Ka6 35.Bd7 Kb7 36.Bd8 Nc8 37.Be6 Na7 38.Bd5+ Ka6 39.Bg2 Nc8 40.Kc6
Na7+ 41.Kc7 Kb5 42.Kb7 Kc4 43.Kxa7 Kd4 44.Kb6 Kc4 45.Bf6 Kd3 46.Kc5 Ke3
47.Bg5+ Kf2 48.Be4 Ke2 49.Kd4 Kf2 50.Bf4 Kf1 51.Ke3 Ke1 52.Bd3 Kd1 53.Kf3
Ke1 54.Bc2 Kf1 55.Bd2 Kg1 56.Kg3 Kf1 57.Bd3+ Kg1 58.Be3+ Kh1 59.Be4# *



Yours

Anders Lang

"Chuck" <clm701@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:11bee4ls3ahae0d@corp.supernews.com...
> Hah, well said, oh those endgames... I fought so hard, and well I'll just
> let you have the fun of figuring it out. When I won the last exchange,
> and
> being up on material, I was very excited that I was going to beat this old
> machine. I thought it looked like a simple game of back the King up and
> trap him, and found out real quick that wasn't the case, and it turned
> into
> a real headache. Here is
> my final position, and sure I'd love to see what the solution is, but try
> it
> a few rounds yourself without the computer... Like trying to catch the
> wind!!! UGhhh.
>
> Here is my final position... have fun...!!
>
> White pieces
> King on h3
> Bishop on f3
> Bishop on e3
>
> Black pieces
> King on g6
> Knight on h5
>
> ...white to move.
>
>
>
>> If all that was left was 2 bishops, 1 knight and 2 kings, then
>> it's a 5-piece ending and the solution is completely known. If
>> you can remember the position, try the Nalimov Tablebase Server
>> at http://www.lokasoft.nl/tbweb.htm and see if you had a win.
>
>
> Well, easy, really, those endgames.
>
> --
> CeeBee
>
> ***The cookie has spoken***
>
>
>

 

[Chuck]

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Thank you, I feel a lot better now seeing that winning a 2 bishop vs Knight
endgame is GM and above type play, and most of them would in the name of
sanity call it a draw anyway. Ok, I can accept a draw. Now when I play at
regular speed it beats me, but being able to ponder and take my time, walk
out of the room, rest, watch TV, clear my mind, and then come back to the
game refreshed allowed me to get this very rare draw. Now if I could have
only played this same game within the legal time. I put so much into this
game, that it will be a few days before I'll be up for another game.


"Anders Lang" <andersxxxlang@home.se> wrote in message
news:1119309777.b8051233176fd0cfba4c08d4679d01cf@teranews...
This is mate in 59. However the Knight is won on move 43 so it may well be
that the original position is drawn due to the 50 move rule. Solution below:



1.Kg4 Nf6+ 2.Kf4 Nh5+ 3.Ke5 Ng7 4.Bd5 Nh5 5.Bd4 Ng7 6.Bb3 Nh5 7.Bc2+ Kf7
8.Kd6 Ng7 9.Kd7 Nh5 10.Bb3+ Kg6 11.Ke7 Kf5 12.Bc2+ Kf4 13.Bb6 Ng3 14.Bc7+
Kf3 15.Bd1+ Kf2 16.Ke6 Ne2 17.Bb6+ Ke1 18.Bc2 Kd2 19.Bf5 Kc3 20.Kd5 Kd2
21.Bh7 Nf4+ 22.Ke4 Nd3 23.Bg6 Kc3 24.Bd4+ Kd2 25.Bf6 Nb4 26.Bf7 Nc6 27.Bh4
Nb4 28.Bd8 Kc2 29.Ke3 Nc6 30.Bf6 Na7 31.Be8 Kb3 32.Kd4 Kb4 33.Be7+ Ka5
34.Kc5 Ka6 35.Bd7 Kb7 36.Bd8 Nc8 37.Be6 Na7 38.Bd5+ Ka6 39.Bg2 Nc8 40.Kc6
Na7+ 41.Kc7 Kb5 42.Kb7 Kc4 43.Kxa7 Kd4 44.Kb6 Kc4 45.Bf6 Kd3 46.Kc5 Ke3
47.Bg5+ Kf2 48.Be4 Ke2 49.Kd4 Kf2 50.Bf4 Kf1 51.Ke3 Ke1 52.Bd3 Kd1 53.Kf3
Ke1 54.Bc2 Kf1 55.Bd2 Kg1 56.Kg3 Kf1 57.Bd3+ Kg1 58.Be3+ Kh1 59.Be4# *



Yours

Anders Lang

"Chuck" <clm701@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:11bee4ls3ahae0d@corp.supernews.com...
> Hah, well said, oh those endgames... I fought so hard, and well I'll just
> let you have the fun of figuring it out. When I won the last exchange,
> and
> being up on material, I was very excited that I was going to beat this old
> machine. I thought it looked like a simple game of back the King up and
> trap him, and found out real quick that wasn't the case, and it turned
> into
> a real headache. Here is
> my final position, and sure I'd love to see what the solution is, but try
> it
> a few rounds yourself without the computer... Like trying to catch the
> wind!!! UGhhh.
>
> Here is my final position... have fun...!!
>
> White pieces
> King on h3
> Bishop on f3
> Bishop on e3
>
> Black pieces
> King on g6
> Knight on h5
>
> ...white to move.
>
>
>
>> If all that was left was 2 bishops, 1 knight and 2 kings, then
>> it's a 5-piece ending and the solution is completely known. If
>> you can remember the position, try the Nalimov Tablebase Server
>> at http://www.lokasoft.nl/tbweb.htm and see if you had a win.
>
>
> Well, easy, really, those endgames.
>
> --
> CeeBee
>
> ***The cookie has spoken***
>
>
>

 

[Guest]

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Do you have the complete game or was that lost in the power out? If you do
please post it, it would be interesting to have a look.

Yours

Anders Lang

"Chuck" <clm701@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:11bfbf4agn78u67@corp.supernews.com...
> Thank you, I feel a lot better now seeing that winning a 2 bishop vs
> Knight
> endgame is GM and above type play, and most of them would in the name of
> sanity call it a draw anyway. Ok, I can accept a draw. Now when I play
> at
> regular speed it beats me, but being able to ponder and take my time, walk
> out of the room, rest, watch TV, clear my mind, and then come back to the
> game refreshed allowed me to get this very rare draw. Now if I could have
> only played this same game within the legal time. I put so much into this
> game, that it will be a few days before I'll be up for another game.
>
>
> "Anders Lang" <andersxxxlang@home.se> wrote in message
> news:1119309777.b8051233176fd0cfba4c08d4679d01cf@teranews...
> This is mate in 59. However the Knight is won on move 43 so it may well be
> that the original position is drawn due to the 50 move rule. Solution
> below:
>
>
>
> 1.Kg4 Nf6+ 2.Kf4 Nh5+ 3.Ke5 Ng7 4.Bd5 Nh5 5.Bd4 Ng7 6.Bb3 Nh5 7.Bc2+ Kf7
> 8.Kd6 Ng7 9.Kd7 Nh5 10.Bb3+ Kg6 11.Ke7 Kf5 12.Bc2+ Kf4 13.Bb6 Ng3 14.Bc7+
> Kf3 15.Bd1+ Kf2 16.Ke6 Ne2 17.Bb6+ Ke1 18.Bc2 Kd2 19.Bf5 Kc3 20.Kd5 Kd2
> 21.Bh7 Nf4+ 22.Ke4 Nd3 23.Bg6 Kc3 24.Bd4+ Kd2 25.Bf6 Nb4 26.Bf7 Nc6 27.Bh4
> Nb4 28.Bd8 Kc2 29.Ke3 Nc6 30.Bf6 Na7 31.Be8 Kb3 32.Kd4 Kb4 33.Be7+ Ka5
> 34.Kc5 Ka6 35.Bd7 Kb7 36.Bd8 Nc8 37.Be6 Na7 38.Bd5+ Ka6 39.Bg2 Nc8 40.Kc6
> Na7+ 41.Kc7 Kb5 42.Kb7 Kc4 43.Kxa7 Kd4 44.Kb6 Kc4 45.Bf6 Kd3 46.Kc5 Ke3
> 47.Bg5+ Kf2 48.Be4 Ke2 49.Kd4 Kf2 50.Bf4 Kf1 51.Ke3 Ke1 52.Bd3 Kd1 53.Kf3
> Ke1 54.Bc2 Kf1 55.Bd2 Kg1 56.Kg3 Kf1 57.Bd3+ Kg1 58.Be3+ Kh1 59.Be4# *
>
>
>
> Yours
>
> Anders Lang
>
> "Chuck" <clm701@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
> news:11bee4ls3ahae0d@corp.supernews.com...
>> Hah, well said, oh those endgames... I fought so hard, and well I'll
>> just
>> let you have the fun of figuring it out. When I won the last exchange,
>> and
>> being up on material, I was very excited that I was going to beat this
>> old
>> machine. I thought it looked like a simple game of back the King up and
>> trap him, and found out real quick that wasn't the case, and it turned
>> into
>> a real headache. Here is
>> my final position, and sure I'd love to see what the solution is, but try
>> it
>> a few rounds yourself without the computer... Like trying to catch the
>> wind!!! UGhhh.
>>
>> Here is my final position... have fun...!!
>>
>> White pieces
>> King on h3
>> Bishop on f3
>> Bishop on e3
>>
>> Black pieces
>> King on g6
>> Knight on h5
>>
>> ...white to move.
>>
>>
>>
>>> If all that was left was 2 bishops, 1 knight and 2 kings, then
>>> it's a 5-piece ending and the solution is completely known. If
>>> you can remember the position, try the Nalimov Tablebase Server
>>> at http://www.lokasoft.nl/tbweb.htm and see if you had a win.
>>
>>
>> Well, easy, really, those endgames.
>>
>> --
>> CeeBee
>>
>> ***The cookie has spoken***
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>