GUI8 / Fritz8 buggy forever ... ?

[Guest]

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Chessbase has not fixed some major bugs in Fritz8.

Example : the notorious Ctl+D (= insert diagram) in game annotation which
does not work properly (= invisible in game notation unless you print the
game !) under Fritz8 (last update : january 2005 ?!); it was only recently
(june 2005) corrected in CB9.

Chessbase never replied to my mail on that subject and I assume that today
their reply would be "buy Fritz9" (assuming they corrected that bug at
last).

It is sad that they lack so much discipline in program maintenance...

 

[ceebee]

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"Gilles Garrigues" <gilles.garriguesZ@Zwanadoo.fr> wrote in
rec.games.chess.computer:

> Chessbase has not fixed some major bugs in Fritz8.
>
> Example : the notorious Ctl+D (= insert diagram) in game annotation which
> does not work properly (= invisible in game notation unless you print the
> game !) under Fritz8


It doesn't work properly because you don't insert a diagram with CTRL-D in
Fritz 8. With CTRL-D you offer a draw.

There is no key combination assigned to the "insert diagram" command, You
have to chose it from the context menu when right clicking on the move you
want to annotate. In that case you'll see "diagram" written following the
move. Of course you can change/customize the assigment to the CTRL-D
shortcut in tools -> customize




> Chessbase never replied to my mail on that subject

No wonder.



> It is sad that they lack so much discipline in program maintenance...

Independent of _their_ (assumed) bugs: I'd wish they were the only ones.
Alas.


--
CeeBee

***The cookie has spoken***

 

[Smithers]

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Op 24 Sep 2005 14:37:10 GMT schreef CeeBee:

> "Gilles Garrigues" <gilles.garriguesZ@Zwanadoo.fr> wrote in
> rec.games.chess.computer:

>
>
> It doesn't work properly because you don't insert a diagram with CTRL-D in
> Fritz 8. With CTRL-D you offer a draw.
>
> There is no key combination assigned to the "insert diagram" command,

You're wrong. In the window where you make notes (the window pops up at
Ctrl+A), Ctrl+D means: insert diagram

 

[Guest]

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Hi,

your german isn´t as bad as you might think. I am sure that they
understood you.

Mike


> Vielen dank. Ich moechte ChessBase auf (mein schlimmes) deutsch
> schreiben. Deutsch (und franzoesich, und italienish) ist mein
> "hobby."

 

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Gilles Garrigues <gilles.garriguesZ@Zwanadoo.fr> wrote:
> PS : Maybe some day the creators of Zappa or Fruit will give CB a rude
> awakening.

Perhaps. It's very interesting that there are now freely-available
engines of the same kind of strength as the best commercial engines. At
the moment, Fritz seems to be better suited to analysis than any of the
free engines I've seen, though I've not yet looked at any of the new
super-strong free engines.


Dave.

--
David Richerby Natural Goldfish (TM): it's like a
www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ fish but it's completely natural!

 

[Guest]

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The only drawbacks I've seen with the free engines is you cannot access all
their features in an obvious way through the Fritz interface. Other than
that, they're very good.

"David Richerby" <davidr@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote in message
news:0Mo*TXFZq@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk...
> Gilles Garrigues <gilles.garriguesZ@Zwanadoo.fr> wrote:
>> PS : Maybe some day the creators of Zappa or Fruit will give CB a rude
>> awakening.
>
> Perhaps. It's very interesting that there are now freely-available
> engines of the same kind of strength as the best commercial engines. At
> the moment, Fritz seems to be better suited to analysis than any of the
> free engines I've seen, though I've not yet looked at any of the new
> super-strong free engines.
>
>
> Dave.
>
> --
> David Richerby Natural Goldfish (TM): it's
> like a
> www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~davidr/ fish but it's completely
> natural!

 

[Guest]

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* David Richerby <davidr@chiark.greenend.org.uk> (15:03) schrieb:

> Perhaps. It's very interesting that there are now freely-available
> engines of the same kind of strength as the best commercial engines. At
> the moment, Fritz seems to be better suited to analysis than any of the
> free engines I've seen, though I've not yet looked at any of the new
> super-strong free engines.

What does one expect from an engine that is »suited to analysis«?

mfg, simon .... l

 

[Guest]

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Better comments than just "Doesn´t get the bull off the ice.".

cb-products do not fall in that category.

Mike


> What does one expect from an engine that is »suited to analysis«?
>
> mfg, simon .... l

 

[Guest]

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Hi!

Hurra!!! (or Alas...) - Fruit 2.1 is commercial product now.

I am not happy yet...
Can't understand why...

Regards
SoloMoon



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angelo DePalma" <angelodpnospam@nospam.gmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.computer
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: GUI8 / Fritz8 buggy forever ... ?


>
> On my machine, at various time controls, Fruit is already stronger than
> Shredder. I would not characterize my test (over 130 games) as scientific
> since I am a computer chess neophyte. However, I would guess that my
sample
> is at least statistically reliable under these conditions.
>
> The developers of the GUI Arena and the top chess engines should get
> together to create a commercial version

 

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Solomon Nuffert wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Hurra!!! (or Alas...) - Fruit 2.1 is commercial product now.
>
> I am not happy yet...
> Can't understand why...
>
> Regards
> SoloMoon
>

Because it isn't 2.1..?

HD

 

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Angelo DePalma wrote:
> What occurred in my case was the fellow at CB tried to email me the patch
> twice, but Gmail does not allow executable files to pass through. Someone
> from this newsgroup sent me the link to the update as well as instructions,
> which worked great. The CB representative could have done the same but chose
> not to.

Their customer service is hardly "non-existent" then.


John

--


Von Herzen, moge es wieder zu Herzen gehen. --Beethoven

 

[Guest]

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For me, with respect to fulfilling the role of customer service (ie to
service customers) they are indeed non-existent. If by customer service you
mean the ability to send me an email response that doesn't help me in the
least then yes, they are not non-existent. By your standard anyone who can
press "reply" on his email program is a customer service representative.

"The Man Behind The Curtain" <johngrabowski@earthblink.net> wrote in message
news:433987FE.1090806@earthblink.net...
> Angelo DePalma wrote:
>> What occurred in my case was the fellow at CB tried to email me the patch
>> twice, but Gmail does not allow executable files to pass through. Someone
>> from this newsgroup sent me the link to the update as well as
>> instructions, which worked great. The CB representative could have done
>> the same but chose not to.
>
> Their customer service is hardly "non-existent" then.
>
>
> John
>
> --
>
>
> Von Herzen, moge es wieder zu Herzen gehen. --Beethoven
>

 

[Guest]

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Hi!

What mean a number?

SoloMoon

"HD" ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:

> Solomon Nuffert wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > Hurra!!! (or Alas...) - Fruit 2.1 is commercial product now.
> >
> > I am not happy yet...
> > Can't understand why...
> >
> > Regards
> > SoloMoon
> >
>
> Because it isn't 2.1..?
>
> HD

 

[Guest]

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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:41:47 +0400, Solomon Nuffert wrote:

> Can't understand why...

Well, because most people can't resist the lure of money. The engine is
stronger than commercial products, it's been getting attention and
publicity, so now it's being sold.

2.1 remains to be free, but 2.2 and all newer versions will be commercial.
At $35 it isn't terribly expensive (see:
http://www.fruitchess.com/purchase.htm), but it's still a little
unfortunate.

M.