Frequency Responce HDCD vs SACD vs DVDA

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"Orville Phillips" <ophillips@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> What are the technical specs such as frequency responce and sampling
> frequency between HDCD, SACD and DVDA. Whatever happened to HDCD and
> where can we find listing of releases on these formats. Also can old
> recordings be reissued on these formats or does the recording have to
> be done from the beginning in the particular format.
> Thanks,
> Orville,

How about, given the same CD in the different formats, what is the
difference in subjective listening?
Cordially,
west

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On 10 May 2004 11:59:10 GMT, ophillips@yahoo.com (Orville Phillips)
wrote:

>What are the technical specs such as frequency responce and sampling
>frequency between HDCD, SACD and DVDA.

These are posted all over the net. Try searching (Sony, DVD-A
symposium, HDCD, etc.)

>Whatever happened to HDCD and
>where can we find listing of releases on these formats.

That search should also reveal that HDCD is now owned by Microsoft and
that there are few new releases that use it. There is a listing of
releases but I think it is out of date.

> Also can old
>recordings be reissued on these formats or does the recording have to
>be done from the beginning in the particular format.

Old recordings CAN and have been remastered into SACD/DVD-A.

Kal

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ophillips@yahoo.com (Orville Phillips) wrote in message news:<c7nqqe0lot@news3.newsguy.com>...
> What are the technical specs such as frequency responce and sampling
> frequency between HDCD, SACD and DVDA. Whatever happened to HDCD and
> where can we find listing of releases on these formats. Also can old
> recordings be reissued on these formats or does the recording have to
> be done from the beginning in the particular format.
> Thanks,
> Orville,
HDCD is really just and enchanced redbook CD. HDCD encoding allows 2
extra bits of coding to be extracted when compared to normal 16-bit
CDs. SACD and DVD-A are both an entirely new format with significantly
more capability than what is possible with CD. When record labels
re-issue recordings in hi res formats, it's usually SACD or DVD-A. I
beleive HDCD is now owned by Microsoft and is being used to enhance
their Windows media audio solutions/formats.

CD

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On 5/10/04 7:59 AM, in article c7nqqe0lot@news3.newsguy.com, "Orville
Phillips" <ophillips@yahoo.com> wrote:

> What are the technical specs such as frequency responce and sampling
> frequency between HDCD, SACD and DVDA. Whatever happened to HDCD and
> where can we find listing of releases on these formats. Also can old
> recordings be reissued on these formats or does the recording have to
> be done from the beginning in the particular format.
> Thanks,
> Orville,

I have found that a lot of the "HDCD" releases mixed in usually labeled in
small letters on the back of the CD jewel case. Been seeing it on a lot of
"best of" remasters.

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On 5/10/04 11:20 AM, in article E4Nnc.19603$z06.3236961@attbi_s01, "west"
<westley@gte.net> wrote:

> "Orville Phillips" <ophillips@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:c7nqqe0lot@news3.newsguy.com...
>> What are the technical specs such as frequency responce and sampling
>> frequency between HDCD, SACD and DVDA. Whatever happened to HDCD and
>> where can we find listing of releases on these formats. Also can old
>> recordings be reissued on these formats or does the recording have to
>> be done from the beginning in the particular format.
>> Thanks,
>> Orville,
>
> How about, given the same CD in the different formats, what is the
> difference in subjective listening?

If there was a "HDCD" off switch on a player ... ?

I have found HDCD even when decoded by a non-HDCD player can sound very good
- making me think that a lot fo the difference is the closer attention paid
to the sound ... ? Anyone else think the same way?

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On 10 May 2004 23:11:38 GMT, Bromo <bromo@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>I have found HDCD even when decoded by a non-HDCD player can sound very good
>- making me think that a lot fo the difference is the closer attention paid
>to the sound ... ? Anyone else think the same way?

Of course. Skill and care (or the lack thereof) in the preparation
swamps all the the technical differences.

Kal

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How about HRCD, HRCD-2, HRCD24; HDCD & Hybrid Multichannel SACD? Can anyone
delineate the formats as far as sound goes? I bought a couple of Jazz HRCDs
(Misty Mood of the Three Blind Mice & Autumn in Seattle) FIM Japanese Label.
The sound quality was out of this world. They have Jazz at the Pawnshop
reissued in HRCD (High Resolution CD) and some of my audiophile friends and
I can not distinguish it from SACD.
What gives gentlemen? Instead of technical comparisons, tell us what you
think about the sound quality. I think this point is very valid because IMO
I feel that the type of CD format in most cases can affect the sound quality
more than the brand of CD Player. In other words a $25.00 CD type Upgrade
can have more impact on the sound than a $3000 Player upgrade.
Cordially,
west

"Bromo" <bromo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:MVTnc.66434$Ik.4911471@attbi_s53...
> On 5/10/04 7:59 AM, in article c7nqqe0lot@news3.newsguy.com, "Orville
> Phillips" <ophillips@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > What are the technical specs such as frequency responce and sampling
> > frequency between HDCD, SACD and DVDA. Whatever happened to HDCD and
> > where can we find listing of releases on these formats. Also can old
> > recordings be reissued on these formats or does the recording have to
> > be done from the beginning in the particular format.
> > Thanks,
> > Orville,
>
> I have found that a lot of the "HDCD" releases mixed in usually labeled in
> small letters on the back of the CD jewel case. Been seeing it on a lot
of
> "best of" remasters.
>

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IMO, the care and effort in producing the recording is paramount and
of much greater impact on the quality of the results, technically and
subjectively, than the format or, in some cases, the equipment.

Besides, until you can point to a recording made in all such formats
without any changes, how can one make a valid distinction. In some
cases, we have decent recordings on one or two formats but, even then,
one cannot be sure about how they were processed.

Kal

On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:02:54 GMT, "west" <westley@gte.net> wrote:

>How about HRCD, HRCD-2, HRCD24; HDCD & Hybrid Multichannel SACD? Can anyone
>delineate the formats as far as sound goes? I bought a couple of Jazz HRCDs
>(Misty Mood of the Three Blind Mice & Autumn in Seattle) FIM Japanese Label.
>The sound quality was out of this world. They have Jazz at the Pawnshop
>reissued in HRCD (High Resolution CD) and some of my audiophile friends and
>I can not distinguish it from SACD.
>What gives gentlemen? Instead of technical comparisons, tell us what you
>think about the sound quality. I think this point is very valid because IMO
>I feel that the type of CD format in most cases can affect the sound quality
>more than the brand of CD Player. In other words a $25.00 CD type Upgrade
>can have more impact on the sound than a $3000 Player upgrade.
>Cordially,
>west
>
>"Bromo" <bromo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:MVTnc.66434$Ik.4911471@attbi_s53...
>> On 5/10/04 7:59 AM, in article c7nqqe0lot@news3.newsguy.com, "Orville
>> Phillips" <ophillips@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > What are the technical specs such as frequency responce and sampling
>> > frequency between HDCD, SACD and DVDA. Whatever happened to HDCD and
>> > where can we find listing of releases on these formats. Also can old
>> > recordings be reissued on these formats or does the recording have to
>> > be done from the beginning in the particular format.
>> > Thanks,
>> > Orville,
>>
>> I have found that a lot of the "HDCD" releases mixed in usually labeled in
>> small letters on the back of the CD jewel case. Been seeing it on a lot
>of
>> "best of" remasters.
>>

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On 5/12/04 6:02 PM, in article iaxoc.35224$536.6464969@attbi_s03, "west"
<westley@gte.net> wrote:

> In other words a $25.00 CD type Upgrade
> can have more impact on the sound than a $3000 Player upgrade.
> Cordially,
> west

A bad recording will sound bad - and the lack of well recorded, well
mastered source material will not be improved by the most accurate playback
mechanisms ...