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See what legendary audio designer Steve McCormack (Mod Squad/McCormack
Audio) has to say about WBT's new low-involvement entry to high-end
cable
termination in the current issue of On Sound and Music at
http://www.onsoundandmusic.com/iss [...] ings1.html


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"Greg Weaver" <greg@onsoundandmusic.com> wrote in news:cd1msh019k7
@news3.newsguy.com:

> See what legendary audio designer Steve McCormack (Mod Squad/McCormack
> Audio) has to say about WBT's new low-involvement entry to high-end
> cable
> termination in the current issue of On Sound and Music at
> http://www.onsoundandmusic.com/iss [...] ings1.html
>
>

The guy is wrong about reducing the amount of metal. If it were true, then
BNC connectors, which are all metal, would not have response to 4 ghz.
Waveguides are all metal and they work just fine. It is all BS AFAIC.

r




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I think you are reading something into the article that is not there.

He never says that reducing metal increases response. He says that reducing
metal decreases eddy currents.

"Rich.Andrews" <bvzxrpl@swissinfo.org> wrote in message
news:cd2an401lg3@news4.newsguy.com...
> "Greg Weaver" <greg@onsoundandmusic.com> wrote in news:cd1msh019k7
> @news3.newsguy.com:
>
> > See what legendary audio designer Steve McCormack (Mod Squad/McCormack
> > Audio) has to say about WBT's new low-involvement entry to high-end
> > cable
> > termination in the current issue of On Sound and Music at
> > http://www.onsoundandmusic.com/iss [...] ings1.html
> >
> >
>
> The guy is wrong about reducing the amount of metal. If it were true,
then
> BNC connectors, which are all metal, would not have response to 4 ghz.
> Waveguides are all metal and they work just fine. It is all BS AFAIC.
>
> r
>
>
>
>
> --
> Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.
>

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If you think Nextgen design is WBT original I recomends you to know
Eichmann material. Is almost the same. The difference is the plastic
and fiberglass used by Eichman. And, of course, the price.
www.eichmanncables.com
Regards.
Elías

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Yes, the article goes to great length to point that out. Although, having
worked with both, I can testify that the WBT "version" is much easier to
work with.

"Elias G" <egrayeb@yahoo.com.mx> wrote in message
news:cd70lj0244d@news3.newsguy.com...
> If you think Nextgen design is WBT original I recomends you to know
> Eichmann material. Is almost the same. The difference is the plastic
> and fiberglass used by Eichman. And, of course, the price.
> www.eichmanncables.com
> Regards.
> Elías

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"Becker" <db@malibu.com> wrote in news:2SkJc.92318$XM6.84549@attbi_s53:

> I think you are reading something into the article that is not there.
>
> He never says that reducing metal increases response. He says that
> reducing metal decreases eddy currents.
>


But he implies it.

An eddy current is a swirling current set up in a conductor in response to
a changing magnetic field.

Because of the tendency of eddy currents to oppose, eddy currents cause
energy to be lost. More accurately, eddy currents transform more useful
forms of energy into heat.

I have never had a RCA plug ever get warm due to eddy currents.

If there were a loss of audio energy to heat, there would be a response
difference and certainly it would be non-linear.

I say his allegation is hogwash as far as RCA connectors are concerned at
audio frequencies. He might as well say that he makes RCA connectors from
material that has low mass. That way gravity has less of an effect
upon the connector. Since gravity distorts a high mass connector more, it
goes without saying that less mass yields less distortion. Afterall, less
distortion is less distortion. It doesn't matter if it is mechanical or
electronic.


r


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Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

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Actually, the article is not written by the maker of the connectors. It is
simply a product review. I am not even saying that his theories are correct.
You may well indeed be accurate in your observations.

I was simply making the point that you were not accurately stating the
reviewers assertions. I did not see the implications that you saw in his
statements. Certainly RCA plugs like the WBT NexGen & Eichmann Bullets do a
much better job of approximating point to point hard wiring between
components. Whether or not that can be sonically detected is up for debate.

Technical arguments on both sides become irrelevant once the listening
starts.

"Rich.Andrews" <bvzxrpl@swissinfo.org> wrote in message
news:cdbe3t09ud@news3.newsguy.com...
> "Becker" <db@malibu.com> wrote in news:2SkJc.92318$XM6.84549@attbi_s53:
>
> > I think you are reading something into the article that is not there.
> >
> > He never says that reducing metal increases response. He says that
> > reducing metal decreases eddy currents.
> >
>
>
> But he implies it.
>
> An eddy current is a swirling current set up in a conductor in response to
> a changing magnetic field.
>
> Because of the tendency of eddy currents to oppose, eddy currents cause
> energy to be lost. More accurately, eddy currents transform more useful
> forms of energy into heat.
>
> I have never had a RCA plug ever get warm due to eddy currents.
>
> If there were a loss of audio energy to heat, there would be a response
> difference and certainly it would be non-linear.
>
> I say his allegation is hogwash as far as RCA connectors are concerned at
> audio frequencies. He might as well say that he makes RCA connectors from
> material that has low mass. That way gravity has less of an effect
> upon the connector. Since gravity distorts a high mass connector more, it
> goes without saying that less mass yields less distortion. Afterall, less
> distortion is less distortion. It doesn't matter if it is mechanical or
> electronic.
>
>
> r
>
>
> --
> Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.
>

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Becker wrote:

> Actually, the article is not written by the maker of the connectors. It is
> simply a product review. I am not even saying that his theories are correct.
> You may well indeed be accurate in your observations.
>
> I was simply making the point that you were not accurately stating the
> reviewers assertions.

I read it, too, the the reviewer implied that eddy current reduction is
the reason why the connector has so little metal, and that less eddy
current is one of the things that make those connectors sound good.

> I did not see the implications that you saw in his
> statements. Certainly RCA plugs like the WBT NexGen & Eichmann Bullets do a
> much better job of approximating point to point hard wiring between
> components. Whether or not that can be sonically detected is up for debate.

Actually, it's up to controlled-bias listening tests, and/or measurements.

>
> Technical arguments on both sides become irrelevant once the listening
> starts.
>

If you can't hear the difference between those connectors and others, I
would say that the technical arguments provided by one side do not hold
value, while those from the other side are validated.

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> I read it, too, the the reviewer implied that eddy current reduction is
> the reason why the connector has so little metal, and that less eddy
> current is one of the things that make those connectors sound good.

You are making my point. If you go back and read the whole thread you will
see that others were stating that the reviewer was claiming that "less metal
= more response." I was saying that the reviewer was claiming that "less
metal = less eddy currents."

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Becker wrote:
>> I read it, too, the the reviewer implied that eddy current reduction
>> is the reason why the connector has so little metal, and that less
>> eddy current is one of the things that make those connectors sound
>> good.
>
> You are making my point. If you go back and read the whole thread you
> will see that others were stating that the reviewer was claiming that
> "less metal = more response." I was saying that the reviewer was
> claiming that "less metal = less eddy currents."

It is also humbug. There are no eddy currents at all. Look, that metal
touches the metal of the receptacle, which is all around anyway. And what
about the shielding, which is around the inner conductor for many feet??? On
the contrary, the shield should be as dense as possible, otherwise very high
frequencies can sneak through the holes, (which would be of no concern tho
for audio).

If you believe those claims, you are not informed. It is like the
micro-diodes bluff, which Bromo dismanteled just by looking at it with a bit
of intelligence. There is no need to proof anything, this should be clear to
everybody immediately. Those of you who are laymen should still apply the
normal human reasoning, and not be deceived by some technical blubber which
is not even understood by the writer itself (from the marketing department).
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ciao Ban
Bordighera, Italy

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