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Which part do you like best ?

My favourite are

1. Ultima 4

2. Ultima 6

3. Savage Island

4. Martian Dreams ( Unfinished ) lost save game by HDD failure :( years
ago...

5. Ultima 7

6. Ultima 5

7. Ultima Underworld

8. Ultima Underworld II

Not yet play Serpent Isle, Ultima 8, Ultima 9...I will try play Ultima
3...and want try again Martian Dreams...
 
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 02:47:01 GMT, "Wesley" <Wesley@isyourffriend.de>
wrote:

>Which part do you like best ?
>
>My favourite are
>
>1. Ultima 4
>
>2. Ultima 6
>
>3. Savage Island
>
>4. Martian Dreams ( Unfinished ) lost save game by HDD failure :( years
>ago...
>
>5. Ultima 7
>
>6. Ultima 5
>
>7. Ultima Underworld
>
>8. Ultima Underworld II
>
>Not yet play Serpent Isle, Ultima 8, Ultima 9...I will try play Ultima
>3...and want try again Martian Dreams...

I think my favorites would be U7BG and U4 but I like the UUWs a lot as
well. Of course, I have played UO for about 8 years so it would have to
count as one of the better ones.

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* U7BG
* U7SI
* U4 (First I ever played, and finished)
* U6
* U9
* UW1, UW2
* U5
* U1, U2, U3
* U8
* U0

Havent played Savage Empire or Martian Dreams.

LVD

"Wesley" <Wesley@isyourffriend.de> wrote in message
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> Which part do you like best ?
>
> My favourite are
>
> 1. Ultima 4
>
> 2. Ultima 6
>
> 3. Savage Island
>
> 4. Martian Dreams ( Unfinished ) lost save game by HDD failure :( years
> ago...
>
> 5. Ultima 7
>
> 6. Ultima 5
>
> 7. Ultima Underworld
>
> 8. Ultima Underworld II
>
> Not yet play Serpent Isle, Ultima 8, Ultima 9...I will try play Ultima
> 3...and want try again Martian Dreams...
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
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<snip>

All of Ultima VII. It would be difficult to rank the rest in comparison to
each other.

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U7SI
Then U7BG
Then U9

"Wesley" <Wesley@isyourffriend.de> wrote in message
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> Which part do you like best ?
>
> My favourite are
>
> 1. Ultima 4
>
> 2. Ultima 6
>
> 3. Savage Island
>
> 4. Martian Dreams ( Unfinished ) lost save game by HDD failure :( years
> ago...
>
> 5. Ultima 7
>
> 6. Ultima 5
>
> 7. Ultima Underworld
>
> 8. Ultima Underworld II
>
> Not yet play Serpent Isle, Ultima 8, Ultima 9...I will try play Ultima
> 3...and want try again Martian Dreams...
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
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I think i replayed U5 the most. It was the first 'real' computer game i ever
bought.

U7 BG & SI were pretty memorable.

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Words to the wise, "Wesley" <Wesley@isyourffriend.de> wrote:

Black Gate

Ultima V

Serpent Isle

Ultima IV

Ultima VI


Thats it pretty much I think.
 
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Wesley wrote:

> Which part do you like best ?
>

Ultima 6 or Ultima 7.. can't decide..

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Quoth J. P. Morris <jpm@it-he.org>:
> Wesley wrote:

> > Which part do you like best ?
>
> Ultima 6 or Ultima 7.. can't decide..

That's something of a turn-around. You always used to be a U6 man
through and through. As I still am. :)
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"Samurai" <Samurai@dev.nul> wrote in message
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> Quoth J. P. Morris <jpm@it-he.org>:
>> Wesley wrote:
>
>> > Which part do you like best ?
>>
>> Ultima 6 or Ultima 7.. can't decide..
>
> That's something of a turn-around. You always used to be a U6 man
> through and through. As I still am. :)

U6 was the first game that I completely obsessed over. But I'd say U7 even
topped it.

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Quoth Borat <borat@kazakhstan.org>:
....
> U6 was the first game that I completely obsessed over. But I'd say
> U7 even topped it.

A lot of people say that, but I don't agree. :) U7 looked prettier,
certainly, but its conversation engine was nowhere near as versatile,
and while the plot as just as non-linear as U6, it got confusing if one
skipped ahead of Elizabeth and Abraham rather than being led around by
the nose, following them.

In U6, it didn't really matter what order one did things -- even
teleporting to the gargoyle world with the Orb of the Moons at the
start of the game had a built-in way of balancing things out.
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"Samurai" <Samurai@dev.nul> wrote in message
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> Quoth Borat <borat@kazakhstan.org>:
> ...
>> U6 was the first game that I completely obsessed over. But I'd say
>> U7 even topped it.
>
> A lot of people say that, but I don't agree. :) U7 looked prettier,
> certainly, but its conversation engine was nowhere near as versatile,
> and while the plot as just as non-linear as U6, it got confusing if one
> skipped ahead of Elizabeth and Abraham rather than being led around by
> the nose, following them.
>
> In U6, it didn't really matter what order one did things -- even
> teleporting to the gargoyle world with the Orb of the Moons at the
> start of the game had a built-in way of balancing things out.

....I've forgotten. What happened if one just slaughtered all the gargoyles?

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The Triad wrote:

>> In U6, it didn't really matter what order one did things -- even
>> teleporting to the gargoyle world with the Orb of the Moons at the
>> start of the game had a built-in way of balancing things out.
>
> ...I've forgotten. What happened if one just slaughtered all the
> gargoyles?

He said 'it didn't really matter what ORDER one did things', not
'it didn't really matter what one did'.
U6 isn't self-stabilising enough to prevent sabotage >:)

There's a lot of ways you could total the game, killing key
plot characters and then burning their corpses.. casting VANISH
on critical objects might work too.

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Samurai wrote:

> Quoth J. P. Morris <jpm@it-he.org>:
>> Wesley wrote:
>
>> > Which part do you like best ?
>>
>> Ultima 6 or Ultima 7.. can't decide..
>
> That's something of a turn-around. You always used to be a U6 man
> through and through. As I still am. :)

Perhaps it's because I played U7 most recently. I'll have to do U6
again now. And try to avoid cheating..

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"J. P. Morris" <jpm@it-he.org> wrote in message
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> The Triad wrote:
>
>>> In U6, it didn't really matter what order one did things -- even
>>> teleporting to the gargoyle world with the Orb of the Moons at the
>>> start of the game had a built-in way of balancing things out.
>>
>> ...I've forgotten. What happened if one just slaughtered all the
>> gargoyles?
>
> He said 'it didn't really matter what ORDER one did things', not
> 'it didn't really matter what one did'.
> U6 isn't self-stabilising enough to prevent sabotage >:)

Ahh. *smiles*

> There's a lot of ways you could total the game, killing key
> plot characters and then burning their corpses.. casting VANISH
> on critical objects might work too.

*grins*

(How does one burn a corpse? And what happened if one killed them, but
didn't then burn their corpses? Or was it that they could be ressurected if
their corpses weren't burned? *thinks for a moment* To sum up, more or
less--could one ressurect gargoyles?)

*smiles quietly to self, imagining*

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The Triad wrote:
> "J. P. Morris" <jpm@it-he.org> wrote in message
>
>>He said 'it didn't really matter what ORDER one did things', not
>>'it didn't really matter what one did'.
>>U6 isn't self-stabilising enough to prevent sabotage >:)
>
> Ahh. *smiles*
>
>>There's a lot of ways you could total the game, killing key
>>plot characters and then burning their corpses.. casting VANISH
>>on critical objects might work too.
>
> *grins*
>
> (How does one burn a corpse? And what happened if one killed them, but
> didn't then burn their corpses? Or was it that they could be ressurected if
> their corpses weren't burned? *thinks for a moment* To sum up, more or
> less--could one ressurect gargoyles?)

You can't burn corpses, but for about 30 gold a pop, you can get the nice man
in Empath to do it for you. His eyes gleam fiendishly as he notices the
body you are carrying.

If you kill someone but leave them around, you can resurrect their bodies,
although it isn't always successful (hence my 'undead' utility to resurrect
people's minds). I've heard there is a way to force a soft-reset of people
using magic (the Charm or Fear spells might work, something that changes
their internal goals) but I've never actually got around to trying it.

If you burn or otherwise lose the body, resurrection becomes vastly more
difficult, although it is possible to achieve with a bit of hacking
(e.g. sacrificing Dupre, and then resurrecting him with the other NPC's
mind). This also transforms Dupre's body into a more suitable host, so you
won't get Finn etc running around in the form of a knight.
[See the U6 section of my website for the gory details.]

It is impossible to resurrect mature gargoyles in-game. I don't know about
immature/wingless gargoyles, such as Beh-Lem.
It should be possible to resurrect Dupre's body into a gargoyle, but you
might only get 1/4 of the body or other nasty effects (like when joining
Smith into the party.. his ass gets left behind when he moves around).

Definitely worth trying.. >:)

[What happens if you resurrect Smith into Dupre's body..?]

>
> *smiles quietly to self, imagining*
>


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Quoth JP Morris <jpm@it-he.org>:
....
> [What happens if you resurrect Smith into Dupre's body..?]

Lumina might get on a bit better with Smith if he saw him drunk. And
certainly if he saw him drawn. ;)
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"JP Morris" <jpm@it-he.org> wrote in message
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> The Triad wrote:
>> "J. P. Morris" <jpm@it-he.org> wrote in message
>>>He said 'it didn't really matter what ORDER one did things', not
>>>'it didn't really matter what one did'.
>>>U6 isn't self-stabilising enough to prevent sabotage >:)
>>
>> Ahh. *smiles*
>>
>>>There's a lot of ways you could total the game, killing key
>>>plot characters and then burning their corpses.. casting VANISH
>>>on critical objects might work too.
>>
>> *grins*
>>
>> (How does one burn a corpse? And what happened if one killed them, but
>> didn't then burn their corpses? Or was it that they could be ressurected
>> if their corpses weren't burned? *thinks for a moment* To sum up, more
>> or less--could one ressurect gargoyles?)
>
> You can't burn corpses, but for about 30 gold a pop, you can get the nice
> man
> in Empath to do it for you. His eyes gleam fiendishly as he notices the
> body you are carrying.
>
> If you kill someone but leave them around, you can resurrect their bodies,
> although it isn't always successful (hence my 'undead' utility to
> resurrect
> people's minds). I've heard there is a way to force a soft-reset of
> people
> using magic (the Charm or Fear spells might work, something that changes
> their internal goals) but I've never actually got around to trying it.
>
> If you burn or otherwise lose the body, resurrection becomes vastly more
> difficult, although it is possible to achieve with a bit of hacking
> (e.g. sacrificing Dupre, and then resurrecting him with the other NPC's
> mind). This also transforms Dupre's body into a more suitable host, so
> you
> won't get Finn etc running around in the form of a knight.
> [See the U6 section of my website for the gory details.]
>
> It is impossible to resurrect mature gargoyles in-game. I don't know
> about
> immature/wingless gargoyles, such as Beh-Lem.
> It should be possible to resurrect Dupre's body into a gargoyle, but you
> might only get 1/4 of the body or other nasty effects (like when joining
> Smith into the party.. his ass gets left behind when he moves around).
>
> Definitely worth trying.. >:)
>
> [What happens if you resurrect Smith into Dupre's body..?]

....very interesting...

*curiously goes to website to refresh memory*

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<snip>

Thoughts: what happens if you give a corpse the number of someone yet
alive? What happens if you give it the Avatar's number?

Also, what defines a corpse to be a corpse, as far as healers and
cremationists are concerned? Could 'spare parts' be ordered via Iolo?
Could one have a piece of cheese that one could ressurect into a dead
character, or an edible corpse? And with the former, if possible, what is
the result of attempting to ressurect the original corpse of the dead
character?

*wonders*

(Also, a more semi-mundane question: what objects /cannot/ be Animated?
And what do Animated objects generally do, or how do they act?
*...imagines, smiling quietly to himself...*)

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The Triad wrote:

> <snip>
>
> Thoughts: what happens if you give a corpse the number of someone yet
> alive? What happens if you give it the Avatar's number?

> Also, what defines a corpse to be a corpse, as far as healers and
> cremationists are concerned? Could 'spare parts' be ordered via Iolo?

Probably. I didn't try that, though.

Resurrecting copies of people is.. interesting. I resurrected Tiberius
(who was the healer doing the resurrection) but I only ended up with
one person and 400 less gold.

However, resurrecting someone far away does seem to work, although I
suspect that the game has merely 'summoned' them from their original
location. I did this was Naxatillor the Seer.
I also did it with Smith, although I'd forgotten the original was
still alive.

Naxatillor worked perfectly, although I had to kill him with a
cannon I summoned up, since killing him in cold blood will prevent
him from resurrecting properly.

As for Smith, that was not so good:
http://www.jpmorris.force9.co.uk/magnu.gif

(I was listening to 'Chronicle of the Black Sword' at the time.
Just as I got around to Tiberius, with Finn programmed to be
Smith, it began playing 'The Conjuration Of Magnu', also about
a horse being summoned. I thought it was extremely apt.)

> Could one have a piece of cheese that one could ressurect into a dead
> character, or an edible corpse? And with the former, if possible, what is
> the result of attempting to ressurect the original corpse of the dead
> character?

I suspect that it has to be a 'dead body' class object for the healer
to recognise it as a corpse.. they don't usually offer to resurrect
cheeses. You might be able to get the 'frame overflow' effect to create
a corpse in the shape of a cheese, though the numbers are probably
too far out for that.

>
> *wonders*
>
> (Also, a more semi-mundane question: what objects /cannot/ be Animated?
> And what do Animated objects generally do, or how do they act?
> *...imagines, smiling quietly to himself...*)

I don't use that spell much, and I can't remember what it does.
IIRC 'enchant' allows you to make weapons come to life and kill people
in Your name..

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Samurai wrote:

> Quoth JP Morris <jpm@it-he.org>:
> ...
>> [What happens if you resurrect Smith into Dupre's body..?]
>
> Lumina might get on a bit better with Smith if he saw him drunk. And
> certainly if he saw him drawn. ;)

Well, it cuts him in half. Is that good enough?

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"J. P. Morris" <jpm@it-he.org> wrote in message
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> The Triad wrote:
>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Thoughts: what happens if you give a corpse the number of someone yet
>> alive? What happens if you give it the Avatar's number?
>
>> Also, what defines a corpse to be a corpse, as far as healers and
>> cremationists are concerned? Could 'spare parts' be ordered via Iolo?
>
> Probably. I didn't try that, though.
>
> Resurrecting copies of people is.. interesting. I resurrected Tiberius
> (who was the healer doing the resurrection) but I only ended up with
> one person and 400 less gold.
>
> However, resurrecting someone far away does seem to work, although I
> suspect that the game has merely 'summoned' them from their original
> location. I did this was Naxatillor the Seer.
> I also did it with Smith, although I'd forgotten the original was
> still alive.
>
> Naxatillor worked perfectly, although I had to kill him with a
> cannon I summoned up, since killing him in cold blood will prevent
> him from resurrecting properly.
>
> As for Smith, that was not so good:
> http://www.jpmorris.force9.co.uk/magnu.gif

*amusement*

> (I was listening to 'Chronicle of the Black Sword' at the time.
> Just as I got around to Tiberius, with Finn programmed to be
> Smith, it began playing 'The Conjuration Of Magnu', also about
> a horse being summoned. I thought it was extremely apt.)

*thinks; goes to look up*

>> Could one have a piece of cheese that one could ressurect into a dead
>> character, or an edible corpse? And with the former, if possible, what
>> is
>> the result of attempting to ressurect the original corpse of the dead
>> character?
>
> I suspect that it has to be a 'dead body' class object for the healer
> to recognise it as a corpse.. they don't usually offer to resurrect
> cheeses. You might be able to get the 'frame overflow' effect to create
> a corpse in the shape of a cheese,

*nods* That was the idea.

> though the numbers are probably
> too far out for that.

Ah, well.

>> *wonders*
>>
>> (Also, a more semi-mundane question: what objects /cannot/ be Animated?
>> And what do Animated objects generally do, or how do they act?
>> *...imagines, smiling quietly to himself...*)
>
> I don't use that spell much, and I can't remember what it does.
> IIRC 'enchant' allows you to make weapons come to life and kill people
> in Your name..

Hmm. Interesting.

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The Triad wrote:

>> Naxatillor worked perfectly, although I had to kill him with a
>> cannon I summoned up, since killing him in cold blood will prevent
>> him from resurrecting properly.
>>
>> As for Smith, that was not so good:
>> http://www.jpmorris.force9.co.uk/magnu.gif
>
> *amusement*
>
>> (I was listening to 'Chronicle of the Black Sword' at the time.
>> Just as I got around to Tiberius, with Finn programmed to be
>> Smith, it began playing 'The Conjuration Of Magnu', also about
>> a horse being summoned. I thought it was extremely apt.)
>
> *thinks; goes to look up*

This doesn't really do it justice, but:

http://www.hawkwind.com/lyr/mag.htm


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Samurai

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Quoth "J. P. Morris" <jpm@it-he.org>:
> Samurai wrote:
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>> And certainly if he saw him drawn. ;)
>
> Well, it cuts him in half. Is that good enough?

Hence the comment about being drawn. :)

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