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Anonymous
April 5, 2005 9:15:17 AM

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If you haven't been following this, you'll probably have no clue what
I'm talking about.....

I'm re-writing this from Sunday night, cause Sunday night I was so
freakin' pissed I couldn't do anything but cuss everything out.

I am having very big problems getting my online work to work with
something in these new security settings. This means...

I go into a home page. No problem there. Then I have to open a
whiteboard. There's a popup that opens that's the "load" page. I
have no clue what this does, other than that I have to leave it open
or my whiteboard will close. This in turns opens a room monitor,
which is another popup. And then eventually my whiteboard opens, yet
another popup. (All Java based.) The whiteboard stays open while I
tutor. I haven't had any problems with the whiteboard itself, but I'm
getting error messages trying to block the room monitor. (I'm not
catching a URL on it to add to the trusted sites, but I never had to
do this before anyway.)

There's also offline questions that open yet another whiteboard, and I
also have to archive all my live boards, which in turn requires
opening yet another whiteboard. And I am having trouble getting these
to open. They're being slow as molasses, and I'm not sure how much
that has to do with their software and how much not, but this never
happened before. But I'm also getting error messages that it's an
unknown publisher (no details) and it keeps trying to block it. Oh,
that particular message is an IE message, or so it says.

This is in IE, cause despite that the Firefox works better with
everything else to do with work, I've got functions that don't work.
I have a list of everything I had in my trusted sites and I copied all
that back in. (Except now I know where it is in the registry. Ha!)
Each popup has its own URL, but I've got those all, except the room
monitor as stated. I added them all to the exception list in the
popup blocker. (Actually, I tried just turning the popup blocker off
first, just to see if that was the problem.) I even turned down the
trusted site level to medium-low, even though the site always worked
on medium before. (There are changes in those levels I don't
understand.)

Furthermore, I am supposed to have the messenger thing on. We use
AIM, and I use AIMExpress, a no-software/online version of the thing.
And I can't get into it *at all.* Again, I have tried turning the
security down to medium-low, and turned the popup blocker off. I've
screwed around with everything I can. Not that I can blame it -- I
don't totally trust this place, but I've blocked all messages except
from co-workers.

I don't know what else to screw around with. I only know that with
the SP1 I had these all listed in the trusted sites, at medium level,
and everything worked just fine, if slow. The popup blocker is a new
addition, but I've tried turning that off. I don't understand what's
not working now. I particularly find it odd that work was working
with the Firefox, except for a couple of functions, and without a
whole lot of trying -- and isn't it blocking more that IE is?

I have written the tech people at work -- again. But haven't gotten
anything back from them yet. The one guy is really nice and
cooperative -- the other guy rather more just curt and short. And
they can't help with the AIM thing.

Yes, I know you don't know the software, but what sounds reasonable
given that these are all Java applets? Any brilliant ideas I will
welcome, cause this is causing me great difficulties in even working,
and by the end of work Sunday night I was about to stuff the computer
in the garbage disposal. Is it maybe the firewall itself? I have no
clue what it is or is not blocking, there's not a lot of settings in
it, and I don't understand much of what is there.


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Anonymous
April 5, 2005 10:21:11 AM

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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 05:15:17 -0400, erimess wrote:

>If you haven't been following this, you'll probably have no clue what
>I'm talking about.....
>
>I'm re-writing this from Sunday night, cause Sunday night I was so
>freakin' pissed I couldn't do anything but cuss everything out.
>
>I am having very big problems getting my online work to work with
>something in these new security settings. This means...
>
>I go into a home page. No problem there. Then I have to open a
>whiteboard. There's a popup that opens that's the "load" page. I
>have no clue what this does, other than that I have to leave it open
>or my whiteboard will close. This in turns opens a room monitor,
>which is another popup. And then eventually my whiteboard opens, yet
>another popup. (All Java based.) The whiteboard stays open while I
>tutor. I haven't had any problems with the whiteboard itself, but I'm
>getting error messages trying to block the room monitor. (I'm not
>catching a URL on it to add to the trusted sites, but I never had to
>do this before anyway.)

You could always use netstat from a command prompt window to see what
sites you're connected to and by which protocol and even find out which
program is doing the connecting. Then you could add the whiteboard sites
to your trusted sites.

I'd just be guessing but perhaps the Windows Firewall is blocking some of
the communication they normally use. One good thing about most third
party firewalls is you can have them report when something is trying to
connect - puts the control of the situation in your hands instead of
blindly trusting MS to know best.

>There's also offline questions that open yet another whiteboard, and I
>also have to archive all my live boards, which in turn requires
>opening yet another whiteboard. And I am having trouble getting these
>to open. They're being slow as molasses, and I'm not sure how much
>that has to do with their software and how much not, but this never
>happened before. But I'm also getting error messages that it's an
>unknown publisher (no details) and it keeps trying to block it. Oh,
>that particular message is an IE message, or so it says.
>
>This is in IE, cause despite that the Firefox works better with
>everything else to do with work, I've got functions that don't work.
>I have a list of everything I had in my trusted sites and I copied all
>that back in. (Except now I know where it is in the registry. Ha!)
>Each popup has its own URL, but I've got those all, except the room
>monitor as stated. I added them all to the exception list in the
>popup blocker. (Actually, I tried just turning the popup blocker off
>first, just to see if that was the problem.) I even turned down the
>trusted site level to medium-low, even though the site always worked
>on medium before. (There are changes in those levels I don't
>understand.)

You can always set a level then go into "custom" and see what it's
changed.

>Furthermore, I am supposed to have the messenger thing on. We use
>AIM, and I use AIMExpress, a no-software/online version of the thing.
>And I can't get into it *at all.* Again, I have tried turning the
>security down to medium-low, and turned the popup blocker off. I've
>screwed around with everything I can. Not that I can blame it -- I
>don't totally trust this place, but I've blocked all messages except
>from co-workers.

I just tried that on my test machine. Windows Firewall enabled, default
IE security settings on medium. Works fine. The popup window is using
https so maybe you've got that blocked? Tried it with Firefox 1.0 too,
and it worked that way as well.

>I don't know what else to screw around with. I only know that with
>the SP1 I had these all listed in the trusted sites, at medium level,
>and everything worked just fine, if slow. The popup blocker is a new
>addition, but I've tried turning that off. I don't understand what's
>not working now. I particularly find it odd that work was working
>with the Firefox, except for a couple of functions, and without a
>whole lot of trying -- and isn't it blocking more that IE is?
>
>I have written the tech people at work -- again. But haven't gotten
>anything back from them yet. The one guy is really nice and
>cooperative -- the other guy rather more just curt and short. And
>they can't help with the AIM thing.
>
>Yes, I know you don't know the software, but what sounds reasonable
>given that these are all Java applets? Any brilliant ideas I will
>welcome, cause this is causing me great difficulties in even working,
>and by the end of work Sunday night I was about to stuff the computer
>in the garbage disposal. Is it maybe the firewall itself? I have no
>clue what it is or is not blocking, there's not a lot of settings in
>it, and I don't understand much of what is there.

It might be interfering with the whiteboard apps (no way to test that) but
like I said AimExpress works find with the Windows Firewall enabled.

You could always disable the Windows Firewall and install some third party
one. I think Zone Alarm is pretty simple and guides the user to making
the needed rules. I like Kerio 2.15 but it requires some configuring.
Those are both free though.

Is your computer running low on memory perhaps? You said the whiteboard
stuff was really slow. Try leaving taskmanager open and see if your
memory is being depleted.

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Anonymous
April 5, 2005 4:58:56 PM

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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:21:11 -0500, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 05:15:17 -0400, erimess wrote:
>
>>Furthermore, I am supposed to have the messenger thing on. We use
>>AIM, and I use AIMExpress, a no-software/online version of the thing.
>>And I can't get into it *at all.* Again, I have tried turning the
>>security down to medium-low, and turned the popup blocker off. I've
>>screwed around with everything I can. Not that I can blame it -- I
>>don't totally trust this place, but I've blocked all messages except
>>from co-workers.
>
>I just tried that on my test machine. Windows Firewall enabled, default
>IE security settings on medium. Works fine. The popup window is using
>https so maybe you've got that blocked? Tried it with Firefox 1.0 too,
>and it worked that way as well.

Also, this was with the Messenger service off. You don't need that on
unless you are expecting someone to "net send" you a message. It has
NOTHING to do with Instant Messengers at all.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;330904

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Anonymous
April 5, 2005 10:46:29 PM

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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 12:58:56 -0500, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 06:21:11 -0500, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 05:15:17 -0400, erimess wrote:
>>
>>>Furthermore, I am supposed to have the messenger thing on. We use
>>>AIM, and I use AIMExpress, a no-software/online version of the thing.
>>>And I can't get into it *at all.* Again, I have tried turning the
>>>security down to medium-low, and turned the popup blocker off. I've
>>>screwed around with everything I can. Not that I can blame it -- I
>>>don't totally trust this place, but I've blocked all messages except
>>>from co-workers.
>>
>>I just tried that on my test machine. Windows Firewall enabled, default
>>IE security settings on medium. Works fine. The popup window is using
>>https so maybe you've got that blocked? Tried it with Firefox 1.0 too,
>>and it worked that way as well.
>
>Also, this was with the Messenger service off. You don't need that on
>unless you are expecting someone to "net send" you a message. It has
>NOTHING to do with Instant Messengers at all.
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;330904

Further thoughts on the Windows Firewall. If you go into Control Panel >
Windows Firewall > Advanced tab, there is a ICMP button where you can
enable replies to various inquiries. You might try toggling those on to
see if the whiteboards speed up. It'd be easier if your work just
specified what protocols/ports/etc were needed.


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Anonymous
April 6, 2005 6:56:11 AM

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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:05:15 -0400, erimess wrote:

>>You could always use netstat from a command prompt window to see what
>>sites you're connected to and by which protocol and even find out which
>>program is doing the connecting. Then you could add the whiteboard sites
>>to your trusted sites.
>
>Well, that sounded like a really cool idea, except the command box
>opened for about 2 seconds, started to list something and then just
>disappeared. Figures. But it really *did* sound like a cool idea.
>(I'll try it again later.)

With any command line program, you generally want to open a cmd window
first, then run the command. netstat -? will show you the various
options.

>Huh!! Haven't we been forced into blindly trusting MS for years?
>That's what bugs me so much about all this. I do like the idea of
>getting messages of what it's trying to do. Some sites are good about
>just giving me messages of what it needs, and some just don't work and
>I have no clue what's happening. And those popups make me nuts cause
>you get to see the URL for about 2 seconds.

You might try clearing your IE history before going to the site, then
after the 2 second URL closes, check the history to see what it was.

>So, are you prepared to teach me how to use this stuff? :-) I know

Sure, if you want to learn how to use Kerio, that would be fine with me.

>*nothing* about all these settings. I mean, I looked in the exception
>list for the firewall and I knew what Remote Assistance was. Big
>deal. That was it. Oh, and I know what ftp stands for, use it for
>uploading to my web pages, but don't know if the ftp server is for
>just downloads or if that'll affect what I'm doing. (My brother
>thought it was just downloads.)

That's for if you are going to host an ftp site, not if you're going to
download from ftp sites.

>So, see, I have no clue about this
>stuff. And all those other wonderful little acronyms mean nothing to
>me. My knowledge of all these internet protocols leaves a lot to be
>desired.
>
>But I'd much rather *learn* something than trust MS to know what's
>"best." :-)
>
>Speaking of which, from your other post (you enjoyed talking to
>yourself today?):
>
>>Further thoughts on the Windows Firewall. If you go into Control Panel >
>>Windows Firewall > Advanced tab, there is a ICMP button where you can

I would liken ICMP to a driver making turn signals. You can read up on
the basic idea at Microsoft(!): http://support.microsoft.com/?id=170292

>>enable replies to various inquiries. You might try toggling those on to
>>see if the whiteboards speed up. It'd be easier if your work just
>>specified what protocols/ports/etc were needed.
>
>Work isn't used to people who actually try to screw with settings.
>These are people who include "how to get an email account" with their
>technical instructions. I will try this. Just another thing I don't
>know what it means. I will ask the tech guys about the
>protocols/ports. This is a paragraph from one of their last answers
>(unfortunately the short and curt guy):
>
>"As for the unrecognized publisher that is probably due to our activeX
>capture tool plugin. This is odd if you are using the capture plugin
>with
>your boards thus indicating that the plugin is installed already."
>
>Which of course explains exactly what to *do* about it....
>
>Mean anything to you? The capture tool is the thing I said wouldn't
>work with Firefox if that helps any. (In fact, that might answer your
>question about what it is -- apparently it's a plugin.) He also said
>he thought it would be easier to let them in through the remote
>assistance to see what's going on. Eeekk!! OK, yes, I trust them, er
>sorta, but.... eeeekkk!! I think I will ask them about those
>protocols first.

Well, Firefox doesn't use ActiveX (it is the root of most drive by stealth
installs of malware in IE) but SP2 should fix that so any time you go to a
site with IE that wants to load an ActiveX plugin, you will get a yellow
bar prompting you for permission near the top of the browser window.

>I did think of something sneaky... since I've been using both browsers
>anyway. The whiteboard runs on something that is downloaded to our
>computer, but everything else is kept track of from *their* end --
>such as start time, un-archived live boards, etc., cause they have to
>have this in case we get knocked offline. If we get knocked off and
>get back on, it's all still right there -- we're even still logged in.
>So it occured to me to get the live whiteboard open, then close my
>home page browser and reopen it with Firefox. I don't need the
>capture to archive my live boards, and I don't use it very often when
>I'm doing offline questions. Which leaves the capture feature working
>in IE for my live board, but allows me to use Firefox for the other
>stuff. And the other stuff is the stuff I'm in and out of all the
>time where these problems get annoying. Sound like a plan? I'll try
>this tomorrow if I'm not busy.

Sounds like that should work. They only need the whiteboards to be hosted
by IE for the capture plugin, so there's no reason that you've mentioned
to prevent you from using Firefox for everything else.

You can also try enabling all the ICMP checkboxes and/or just disabling
the Windows Firewall and see if that makes a difference in the performance
of the whiteboards.

>Oh, hey, that download's done. Er, what download? I'm not
>downloading anything...

Good I'll clear that file from my site then. You're welcome.

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Anonymous
April 6, 2005 7:39:45 AM

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Polychromic wrote:

> Well, Firefox doesn't use ActiveX (it is the root of most drive by stealth
> installs of malware in IE) but SP2 should fix that so any time you go to a
> site with IE that wants to load an ActiveX plugin, you will get a yellow
> bar prompting you for permission near the top of the browser window.

There is an ActiveX Control plugin for Mozilla/Firefox available here:
http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/mozilla.htm

It might be worth trying (although I think you may have to use Firefox 1.0
instead of 1.02).

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Anonymous
April 6, 2005 7:58:48 AM

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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 03:39:45 -0400, Cape Dweller <usenet@ciotog.net>
wrote:

>Polychromic wrote:
>
>> Well, Firefox doesn't use ActiveX (it is the root of most drive by stealth
>> installs of malware in IE) but SP2 should fix that so any time you go to a
>> site with IE that wants to load an ActiveX plugin, you will get a yellow
>> bar prompting you for permission near the top of the browser window.
>
>There is an ActiveX Control plugin for Mozilla/Firefox available here:
>http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/mozilla.htm
>
>It might be worth trying (although I think you may have to use Firefox 1.0
>instead of 1.02).

*shudders*

I'm not going to try it. You try it!

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Anonymous
April 6, 2005 4:22:33 PM

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Words to the wise, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net> wrote:

>>There is an ActiveX Control plugin for Mozilla/Firefox available here:
>>http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/mozilla.htm
>>
>>It might be worth trying (although I think you may have to use Firefox 1.0
>>instead of 1.02).
>
>*shudders*
>
>I'm not going to try it. You try it!

Isnt this what test systems are there for? :) 
Anonymous
April 6, 2005 4:22:34 PM

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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 12:22:33 +0200, Claus Dragon
<claus@ultima-dragons.org> wrote:

>Words to the wise, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>>There is an ActiveX Control plugin for Mozilla/Firefox available here:
>>>http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/mozilla.htm
>>>
>>>It might be worth trying (although I think you may have to use Firefox 1.0
>>>instead of 1.02).
>>
>>*shudders*
>>
>>I'm not going to try it. You try it!
>
>Isnt this what test systems are there for? :) 

There are some things to which even I in my most malevolent and sadistic
mood won't subject it.

Anyhow, I can't test the activex plugin that matters for the course of
this discussion, can I?

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Anonymous
April 7, 2005 12:27:21 AM

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Words to the wise, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net> wrote:

>>>I'm not going to try it. You try it!
>>
>>Isnt this what test systems are there for? :) 
>
>There are some things to which even I in my most malevolent and sadistic
>mood won't subject it.

Really, there are? Hmmm, Poly, you are disapointing me now :>

>Anyhow, I can't test the activex plugin that matters for the course of
>this discussion, can I?

True, though.
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 12:43:40 AM

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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:56:11 -0500, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:05:15 -0400, erimess wrote:
>
>>>You could always use netstat from a command prompt window to see what
>>>sites you're connected to and by which protocol and even find out which
>>>program is doing the connecting. Then you could add the whiteboard sites
>>>to your trusted sites.
>>
>>Well, that sounded like a really cool idea, except the command box
>>opened for about 2 seconds, started to list something and then just
>>disappeared. Figures. But it really *did* sound like a cool idea.
>>(I'll try it again later.)
>
>With any command line program, you generally want to open a cmd window
>first,

Oh, technicalities...

> then run the command. netstat -? will show you the various
>options.

Like I understood any of this anyway. Right now I have work open,
which consists of 2 browser windows and 2 popups, and it lists one
thing -- the DNS not the URL. (Can you use a DNS in the exception
lists?) Everything in there is TCP. And most of the stuff is listed
as local host instead of telling me anything about where I'm connected
to. I don't get it...

>
>>Huh!! Haven't we been forced into blindly trusting MS for years?
>>That's what bugs me so much about all this. I do like the idea of
>>getting messages of what it's trying to do. Some sites are good about
>>just giving me messages of what it needs, and some just don't work and
>>I have no clue what's happening. And those popups make me nuts cause
>>you get to see the URL for about 2 seconds.
>
>You might try clearing your IE history before going to the site, then
>after the 2 second URL closes, check the history to see what it was.

Ah. My brother suggested doing a screenprint, which worked. :-) But
this is a cool idea too. There's a doodle.jar in there. A
doodle.jar? LOL. (Well, the screenprint idea doesn't work if the
window doesn't open to begin with.)

>
>>So, are you prepared to teach me how to use this stuff? :-) I know
>
>Sure, if you want to learn how to use Kerio, that would be fine with me.

Actually, I downloaded the other one... don't remember the name
anymore. I just remember something about Zone. I installed it and
looked around, and I just had NO CLUE... didn't see a way to just
simply turn it off, so I uninstalled it cause I figured I was better
just using the MS one than mess with something I had no clue about.
Besides, if I'm trying to isolate problems, just doesn't seem wise to
go changing things like this.

>
>>*nothing* about all these settings. I mean, I looked in the exception
>>list for the firewall and I knew what Remote Assistance was. Big
>>deal. That was it. Oh, and I know what ftp stands for, use it for
>>uploading to my web pages, but don't know if the ftp server is for
>>just downloads or if that'll affect what I'm doing. (My brother
>>thought it was just downloads.)
>
>That's for if you are going to host an ftp site, not if you're going to
>download from ftp sites.

Oh... well, I don't think I'm planning to do that in the near future.
:-)

>
>>So, see, I have no clue about this
>>stuff. And all those other wonderful little acronyms mean nothing to
>>me. My knowledge of all these internet protocols leaves a lot to be
>>desired.
>>
>>But I'd much rather *learn* something than trust MS to know what's
>>"best." :-)
>>
>>Speaking of which, from your other post (you enjoyed talking to
>>yourself today?):
>>
>>>Further thoughts on the Windows Firewall. If you go into Control Panel >
>>>Windows Firewall > Advanced tab, there is a ICMP button where you can
>
>I would liken ICMP to a driver making turn signals. You can read up on
>the basic idea at Microsoft(!): http://support.microsoft.com/?id=170292

Tried turning every single one of these on and it didn't make any
difference. I also tried to just plain turn the firewall off, and
that didn't help either. (It ran a *tiny* bit faster but I know
firewalls slow stuff down. But this board-opening lag is more than
just a firewall slowdown.) It doesn't seem to be connected to any of
this. It doesn't do this when I use the Firefox, and the firewall
didn't make any difference, so I can only conclude it's something
related to IE, or the Java. I have yet to try just putting the
Internet zone back to default and trying it to see what that does.

While I had the firewall off, my little avast thing popped up about
10-15 times with warnings of attacks, most LSASS. I guess that's
Sasser. It gave an IP it was coming "from." And the first two
sections of #s were mine -- that is, what I always get from Worldnet.
The last two had about 3 different sets of things I saw. That's
"from"? Or does from mean the location on my computer, as in, where
the connection is at? Except it wasn't my current IP. I don't get
it.

I need to stop thinking. I'm driving myself crazy. (And probably
everyone else as well.) My brain can only handle so many things at
once.

>
>>>This is a paragraph from one of their last answers
>>(unfortunately the short and curt guy):
>>
>>"As for the unrecognized publisher that is probably due to our activeX
>>capture tool plugin. This is odd if you are using the capture plugin
>>with
>>your boards thus indicating that the plugin is installed already."
>>
>>Which of course explains exactly what to *do* about it....
>>
>>Mean anything to you? The capture tool is the thing I said wouldn't
>>work with Firefox if that helps any. (In fact, that might answer your
>>question about what it is -- apparently it's a plugin.) He also said
>>he thought it would be easier to let them in through the remote
>>assistance to see what's going on. Eeekk!! OK, yes, I trust them, er
>>sorta, but.... eeeekkk!! I think I will ask them about those
>>protocols first.
>
>Well, Firefox doesn't use ActiveX (it is the root of most drive by stealth
>installs of malware in IE) but SP2 should fix that so any time you go to a
>site with IE that wants to load an ActiveX plugin, you will get a yellow
>bar prompting you for permission near the top of the browser window.

Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I'm not getting that.

I did today actually look at that error message I'm getting about the
unknown publisher. The regular live whiteboard does this too, but I
usually just run off to the bathroom or whatever while it's loading
:-) and don't pay much attention. So today I sat here and watched it.
I'm going to ask the tech guys about this, but I'd be curious what
someone else can tell me before I do. It's a message from IE, stating
it's blocking it cause it's an unknown publisher. It lists the file
lsiw2k.cab but I doubt that means anything to you. Then it listed
Link-Systems International. Then under the certificate info it has
issued by Thawte Server CA and that it's valid from 7/29/02 to 7/12/03
-- which means of course it ain't valid anymore. It has an option to
install it.

The note from the tech guy seems to imply this is the capture plugin.

Also, when I went into the help section from this message about why it
was being blocked it was talking about non-valid ones having been
tampered with or having viruses. Seems like work ought to have valid
certificates. Am I reading too much into this?

>
>>I did think of something sneaky... since I've been using both browsers
>>anyway. The whiteboard runs on something that is downloaded to our
>>computer, but everything else is kept track of from *their* end --
>>such as start time, un-archived live boards, etc., cause they have to
>>have this in case we get knocked offline. If we get knocked off and
>>get back on, it's all still right there -- we're even still logged in.
>>So it occured to me to get the live whiteboard open, then close my
>>home page browser and reopen it with Firefox. I don't need the
>>capture to archive my live boards, and I don't use it very often when
>>I'm doing offline questions. Which leaves the capture feature working
>>in IE for my live board, but allows me to use Firefox for the other
>>stuff. And the other stuff is the stuff I'm in and out of all the
>>time where these problems get annoying. Sound like a plan? I'll try
>>this tomorrow if I'm not busy.
>
>Sounds like that should work. They only need the whiteboards to be hosted
>by IE for the capture plugin, so there's no reason that you've mentioned
>to prevent you from using Firefox for everything else.

I didn't get to test this. I had zero offline questions, and not even
any live people that I had to archive. So there wasn't anything to
test... and I'm.... oops, I'm 10 minutes over. I suppose I should go
clock out or something.

OK, now I can do some experimenting with their ad hoc board.

Tried turning security level down to medium-low and nothing changed.
Even tried turning trusted sites down to low.

I also just noticed -- even with IE, the capture feature is *not
working.* It's on the menu and I didn't noticed until today it's not
actually working. That message I'm getting is blocking the capture
feature. (It's been pretty dead the last few days so I hadn't tried
to use it recently.) I wondered why it had this block message and
then the board would open anyway. It's blocking the capture plugin
not the board.

Let me turn my security back up and see what else I can play with...

While I'm thinking of what else to play with... question: does the
remote assistance allow someone to do anything they want on your
computer? I could always let them do this Friday when I work next,
but it would have to be with the understanding to just tell me what
they find and not go changing stuff on my computer. And that's what
the AIM is supposed to be for.

Hey, I found this Link Systems International:
http://www.link-systems.com/PJEqjz9CiqIAAGwdLLc_orig/
This is apparently the people who make the whiteboard -- there's this
LSI on the boards & I never thought about what that was. You can go
visit it. :-) (Except it's not quite the same cause we don't have all
the features.) It says the sample one is just open to everyone --
hey, cheat way to use a chat. :-)

I tried the "try it" option. It wants flash player which I've never
seen before -- must be some of those features we don't have. (I
suppose there's something to be thankful for.) And I also got one of
those ActiveX messages saying it needed to d/l the capture feature and
did I want to install it? Interesting - I never get that message from
the work site... it just blocks it, period.

Oh, well now *this* is *really* interesting. (Do you like the way I'm
just talking out loud as I experiment?) Remember I'm now on LSI's
site -- and instead of getting an unknown publisher warning, I'm
getting a security message from IE asking if I want to install the
plugin, and the certificate is valid, with current dates. So I'm
installing it and seeing what happens.

Doesn't this just make you curious as hell why I'm getting one from
the work site that is expired? Gotta tell the techies about this.

Woohoo! The capture worked! OK, now I can go back to the work site
and see what happens. (I closed all that while I was doing this.)

I just looked in the downloaded program files and the capture plugin
is there now. Now that I see it, I recognize it, and never realized
it was missing. I'll be damned.

Well, see what happens when you let me talk out loud? I manage to
solve things. :-)

Well, unfortunately it still doesn't work with Firefox...

But, YES!! In IE it's loading in about 5 seconds like it's supposed
to. And the capture works.

Oh, I'm impressed with myself.

So, how come this didn't happen til I installed SP2? Hmm... invalid
certs have always been off.

Now, just for fun, I think I will scan the 'puter...

OK, what are the MRU's with the new Ad-Aware? And why am I getting
messages from avast about some files not being able to be scanned
cause they're password protected -- files that *aren't* password
protected. Most of it's stuff in the Dell folder that was extracted
from the factory disks, but one is an old setup file for WinZip. A
setup file for WinZip is password protected?? And what's a
decompression bomb? (I am still looking for possible places a virus
could've been hiding.)

>
>>Oh, hey, that download's done. Er, what download? I'm not
>>downloading anything...
>
>Good I'll clear that file from my site then. You're welcome.

Will this play nice with avast? The avast didn't like the Norton
being on there, so I uninstalled it. But avast found stuff Norton
didn't, and it seems much less intrusive and less annoying.

Are you tired of questions yet? OK - I'll stop now. Imagine how I
feel -- I've had this message open for probably the last four hours
and have spent all this time screwing with all this stuff.


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are, in best sense, ever present because immortal.
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Anonymous
April 7, 2005 3:59:56 AM

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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:43:40 -0400, erimess wrote:

>Like I understood any of this anyway. Right now I have work open,
>which consists of 2 browser windows and 2 popups, and it lists one
>thing -- the DNS not the URL. (Can you use a DNS in the exception
>lists?) Everything in there is TCP. And most of the stuff is listed
>as local host instead of telling me anything about where I'm connected
>to. I don't get it...

Well, if you use "netstat -a" you'll get a list of the sites you're
connected to. For instance, I've just opened up Google in my IE and it
shows TCP haxalibur:4617 216.239.57.99:http ESTABLISHED.

This means my computer Haxalibur is connected to Google (using http not
https) using TCP/IP on port 4617. Actually it shows several lines like
that because IE connects to the same site several times at once to
download the text and graphics more quickly. You should be able to find
the IP addresses of the whiteboard sites the same way. If you don't know
who a IP belongs to and don't have a cmd line WHOIS program, you can go to
http://www.samspade.org and use the one there.

I think you can use IP addresses in the exception list if you put http://
in front of it. Or https:// if it's using SSL to be secure.

>Actually, I downloaded the other one... don't remember the name
>anymore. I just remember something about Zone. I installed it and
>looked around, and I just had NO CLUE... didn't see a way to just
>simply turn it off, so I uninstalled it cause I figured I was better
>just using the MS one than mess with something I had no clue about.
>Besides, if I'm trying to isolate problems, just doesn't seem wise to
>go changing things like this.

Well, ZoneAlarm is good in that it stops all communication to start with
and then asks for your permission as each program tries to connect online
either going out or coming in. I think. It's been a few years since I
used that one myself.

The Windows Firewall lets everything connect online going out of your
computer but if you want to let something connect in you have to know
about it in advance and make rules for it manually. Actually I guess the
SP2 version of the firewall does prompt you for stuff connecting out.
Hmmm. Not sure about incoming connections - I think you still have to
know in advance and set up exceptions like you've been doing. (The
Windows Firewall treats LAN connections differently from direct-Internet
connections and all my machines go through my LAN so I can't really test
that unless I do some reconfiguring.)

>>I would liken ICMP to a driver making turn signals. You can read up on
>>the basic idea at Microsoft(!): http://support.microsoft.com/?id=170292
>
>Tried turning every single one of these on and it didn't make any
>difference. I also tried to just plain turn the firewall off, and
>that didn't help either. (It ran a *tiny* bit faster but I know
>firewalls slow stuff down. But this board-opening lag is more than
>just a firewall slowdown.) It doesn't seem to be connected to any of
>this. It doesn't do this when I use the Firefox, and the firewall
>didn't make any difference, so I can only conclude it's something
>related to IE, or the Java. I have yet to try just putting the
>Internet zone back to default and trying it to see what that does.

It would be pretty bad if the whiteboard apps were needing something in
the less secure, older version of IE. They did patch a number of
vulnerabilities with SP2's IE.

>While I had the firewall off, my little avast thing popped up about
>10-15 times with warnings of attacks, most LSASS. I guess that's
>Sasser. It gave an IP it was coming "from." And the first two
>sections of #s were mine -- that is, what I always get from Worldnet.
>The last two had about 3 different sets of things I saw. That's
>"from"? Or does from mean the location on my computer, as in, where
>the connection is at? Except it wasn't my current IP. I don't get
>it.

It is probably just some other Worldnet customer who is infected. Well,
come the 12th when SP2 is forced onto the clueless, that will probably
come to a stop. Expect a lot of people complaining about their computers
at that time. Even with the firewall off, the known vulnerabilities have
been patched so you should be safe. (The firewall is for unknown or new
vulnerabilities.)

>>Well, Firefox doesn't use ActiveX (it is the root of most drive by stealth
>>installs of malware in IE) but SP2 should fix that so any time you go to a
>>site with IE that wants to load an ActiveX plugin, you will get a yellow
>>bar prompting you for permission near the top of the browser window.
>
>Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I'm not getting that.

You only get it once for each plugin so once it's loaded you wouldn't get
a prompt again. If you're not getting the prompt at all, then you
probably have your security zone settings too high. You could just add
your work site to the Trusted Zone and make sure that the Trusted Zone
settings are set to medium or lower.

>I did today actually look at that error message I'm getting about the
>unknown publisher. The regular live whiteboard does this too, but I
>usually just run off to the bathroom or whatever while it's loading
>:-) and don't pay much attention. So today I sat here and watched it.
>I'm going to ask the tech guys about this, but I'd be curious what
>someone else can tell me before I do. It's a message from IE, stating
>it's blocking it cause it's an unknown publisher. It lists the file
>lsiw2k.cab but I doubt that means anything to you. Then it listed
>Link-Systems International. Then under the certificate info it has
>issued by Thawte Server CA and that it's valid from 7/29/02 to 7/12/03
>-- which means of course it ain't valid anymore. It has an option to
>install it.

Well, they're just being lazy. They need to renew that plugin's
certification. I suppose you can just allow it to be loaded though, if
you're sure it's the correct Link-Systems file. (You know you can check
your certificates on the Tools>Internet Options>Content page of IE, right?
You can check your installed plugins aka "add-ins" on the Programs page.)

You can mention that to the tech guys but if it's outdated by 2 years they
obviously aren't in a big hurry to fix it.

>The note from the tech guy seems to imply this is the capture plugin.
>
>Also, when I went into the help section from this message about why it
>was being blocked it was talking about non-valid ones having been
>tampered with or having viruses. Seems like work ought to have valid
>certificates. Am I reading too much into this?

What's the saying? Don't assume malice when laziness or stupidity will
explain it? Lamers. Do the texts you use in your class have DNA and
genetics in them yet, or are they still quoting Genesis in the Biology 101
section? ;PP

>While I'm thinking of what else to play with... question: does the
>remote assistance allow someone to do anything they want on your
>computer? I could always let them do this Friday when I work next,
>but it would have to be with the understanding to just tell me what
>they find and not go changing stuff on my computer. And that's what
>the AIM is supposed to be for.

Remote Assistance lets you stay connected and you will see what they are
able to do. Remote Desktop would force you to log out when they logged in
and you wouldn't see what they did.

>Hey, I found this Link Systems International:
>http://www.link-systems.com/PJEqjz9CiqIAAGwdLLc_orig/
>This is apparently the people who make the whiteboard -- there's this
>LSI on the boards & I never thought about what that was. You can go
>visit it. :-) (Except it's not quite the same cause we don't have all
>the features.) It says the sample one is just open to everyone --
>hey, cheat way to use a chat. :-)

Hmmm. Demo works fine with Firefox.

>I tried the "try it" option. It wants flash player which I've never
>seen before -- must be some of those features we don't have. (I
>suppose there's something to be thankful for.) And I also got one of
>those ActiveX messages saying it needed to d/l the capture feature and
>did I want to install it? Interesting - I never get that message from
>the work site... it just blocks it, period.

Have you already blocked it once? Is it listed under Popup blocker
settings? The bottom of that page should have both checkboxes checked and
be set to the medium level by default.

>Oh, well now *this* is *really* interesting. (Do you like the way I'm
>just talking out loud as I experiment?) Remember I'm now on LSI's
>site -- and instead of getting an unknown publisher warning, I'm
>getting a security message from IE asking if I want to install the
>plugin, and the certificate is valid, with current dates. So I'm
>installing it and seeing what happens.
>
>Doesn't this just make you curious as hell why I'm getting one from
>the work site that is expired? Gotta tell the techies about this.

They are sooo lazy.

>Woohoo! The capture worked! OK, now I can go back to the work site
>and see what happens. (I closed all that while I was doing this.)
>
>I just looked in the downloaded program files and the capture plugin
>is there now. Now that I see it, I recognize it, and never realized
>it was missing. I'll be damned.
>
>Well, see what happens when you let me talk out loud? I manage to
>solve things. :-)
>
>Well, unfortunately it still doesn't work with Firefox...
>
>But, YES!! In IE it's loading in about 5 seconds like it's supposed
>to. And the capture works.
>
>Oh, I'm impressed with myself.
>
>So, how come this didn't happen til I installed SP2? Hmm... invalid
>certs have always been off.
>
>Now, just for fun, I think I will scan the 'puter...

Golf? What is it with you and Optician and golf? Hmmmm. In the old
comic Cyborg, he referred to the computer on his back as Puter too.

>OK, what are the MRU's with the new Ad-Aware? And why am I getting
>messages from avast about some files not being able to be scanned
>cause they're password protected -- files that *aren't* password
>protected. Most of it's stuff in the Dell folder that was extracted
>from the factory disks, but one is an old setup file for WinZip. A
>setup file for WinZip is password protected?? And what's a
>decompression bomb? (I am still looking for possible places a virus
>could've been hiding.)

They could be passworded by Dell, that doesn't mean they're bad - just
that they can't be scanned. Or Avast could be mistaking the diamond
compression of the cab files for encryption when they're just an older
style of cab file.

A decompression bomb is a file you get that is zipped or archived but when
you expand it they create huge files or nested directory structures or
invalid filenames. Kind of low tech malware.


>Will this play nice with avast? The avast didn't like the Norton
>being on there, so I uninstalled it. But avast found stuff Norton
>didn't, and it seems much less intrusive and less annoying.

Generally, you don't want two different real-time AV monitors going at the
same time. Sometimes it'll work and I don't know about Avast and McAfee.
If you can set one or the other to be on demand only (so you use the right
click context menu to scan files or folders) that would be better, but I
don't know if either of those can be set up like that.

>Are you tired of questions yet? OK - I'll stop now. Imagine how I
>feel -- I've had this message open for probably the last four hours
>and have spent all this time screwing with all this stuff.

Well, sounds like you've figured some stuff out anyhow. :) 

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Anonymous
April 7, 2005 3:10:21 PM

Archived from groups: rec.games.computer.ultima.dragons (More info?)

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:59:56 -0500, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net>
wrote:


>>Now, just for fun, I think I will scan the 'puter...
>
>Golf? What is it with you and Optician and golf? Hmmmm. In the old
>comic Cyborg, he referred to the computer on his back as Puter too.
>
Uh, that's _putter_ for golf, Poly. :-)
Of course, I have never been on a golf course that didn't include
windmills.
At least we don't refer to them as Com Pewter. :-)
-=UDIC=-
Optician Dragon
"Life Is Like A Can Of Tuna Fish - Sometimes It's Good, Sometimes It's Not So Good"
-Alfred E. Neumann
Anonymous
April 7, 2005 4:06:37 PM

Archived from groups: rec.games.computer.ultima.dragons (More info?)

Words to the wise, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:43:40 -0400, erimess wrote:
>
>>Like I understood any of this anyway. Right now I have work open,
>>which consists of 2 browser windows and 2 popups, and it lists one
>>thing -- the DNS not the URL. (Can you use a DNS in the exception
>>lists?) Everything in there is TCP. And most of the stuff is listed
>>as local host instead of telling me anything about where I'm connected
>>to. I don't get it...

Domain Name System is there for a reason. Thats the IP you are given
by your ISP normally where you can find a huge table with IPs and
corresponding URLs.

DNS just says: Give me an URL, i give you the IP and vice versa.

But that is normally a bit unimportant, except when the Domain Name
Server of your choice breaks down (this sometimes happens). In that
case, you find out really fast how bad anyone can remember IPs.

>Well, ZoneAlarm is good in that it stops all communication to start with
>and then asks for your permission as each program tries to connect online
>either going out or coming in. I think. It's been a few years since I
>used that one myself.

ZoneAlarm is slow and I think you cannot make exceptions that apps are
only allowed to connect to certain ports/urls. At least, the version I
used was unable to do, I am not in the mood to try it out another
time.
Anonymous
April 9, 2005 1:14:19 AM

Archived from groups: rec.games.computer.ultima.dragons (More info?)

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:59:56 -0500, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net>
wrote:

>
>>Actually, I downloaded the other one... don't remember the name
>>anymore. I just remember something about Zone. I installed it and
>>looked around, and I just had NO CLUE... didn't see a way to just
>>simply turn it off, so I uninstalled it cause I figured I was better
>>just using the MS one than mess with something I had no clue about.
>>Besides, if I'm trying to isolate problems, just doesn't seem wise to
>>go changing things like this.
>
>Well, ZoneAlarm is good in that it stops all communication to start with
>and then asks for your permission as each program tries to connect online
>either going out or coming in. I think. It's been a few years since I
>used that one myself.
>
>The Windows Firewall lets everything connect online going out of your
>computer but if you want to let something connect in you have to know
>about it in advance and make rules for it manually. Actually I guess the
>SP2 version of the firewall does prompt you for stuff connecting out.
>Hmmm. Not sure about incoming connections - I think you still have to
>know in advance and set up exceptions like you've been doing. (The
>Windows Firewall treats LAN connections differently from direct-Internet
>connections and all my machines go through my LAN so I can't really test
>that unless I do some reconfiguring.)

After what Claus said, I will perhaps download the other one too. And
eventually I'll try to do some reading up and see what I can learn on
my own first. Right now, since I've got work working, and have solved
some other stuff, I'm badly in need of a break from all this... my
break from my other job got totally ruined by messing with all this
and I need some catch-up time. So I'm going to put my firewall
learning "on hold" for the moment (and ahem, just let Bill do it for
me for now - cough).

>
>>While I had the firewall off, my little avast thing popped up about
>>10-15 times with warnings of attacks, most LSASS. I guess that's
>>Sasser. It gave an IP it was coming "from." And the first two
>>sections of #s were mine -- that is, what I always get from Worldnet.
>>The last two had about 3 different sets of things I saw. That's
>>"from"? Or does from mean the location on my computer, as in, where
>>the connection is at? Except it wasn't my current IP. I don't get
>>it.
>
>It is probably just some other Worldnet customer who is infected. Well,
>come the 12th when SP2 is forced onto the clueless, that will probably
>come to a stop. Expect a lot of people complaining about their computers
>at that time. Even with the firewall off, the known vulnerabilities have
>been patched so you should be safe. (The firewall is for unknown or new
>vulnerabilities.)

Ah. That makes some sense. I think, actually, that I would be
complaining too... mostly just cause I don't like things forced on me.
I am a bit curious... if I've had this much trouble, I wonder how the
really clueless are going to handle it all. (Admittedly, I turn the
security in IE way up and use trusted sites, which does cause me some
trouble sometimes, and most people I'm sure don't do that. But that
was only a small bit of the trouble.)

If you want *really* clueless, got a friend whose husband keeps going
to all these porn sites, and clicks on the links from the emails.
He's on the computer all weekend getting it totally screwed up, and
she quite literally has to restore everything at the end of *every*
weekend. (Fortunately she has very little apps she uses.) And then
when she blames it on him, he doesn't get what he's doing. She tries
to run Ad-Aware and it's locking up halfway through. I told her to
get Spybot, and run it before he gets on there for the weekend, and
then right after he gets on there, and show him the time-stamp on the
reports it makes. :-) Jeez, I don't think I've known anyone this bad.

I still like my other solution better -- she gets a new computer of
her very own and passwords it.

>
>>I did today actually look at that error message I'm getting about the
>>unknown publisher. The regular live whiteboard does this too, but I
>>usually just run off to the bathroom or whatever while it's loading
>>:-) and don't pay much attention. So today I sat here and watched it.
>>I'm going to ask the tech guys about this, but I'd be curious what
>>someone else can tell me before I do. It's a message from IE, stating
>>it's blocking it cause it's an unknown publisher. It lists the file
>>lsiw2k.cab but I doubt that means anything to you. Then it listed
>>Link-Systems International. Then under the certificate info it has
>>issued by Thawte Server CA and that it's valid from 7/29/02 to 7/12/03
>>-- which means of course it ain't valid anymore. It has an option to
>>install it.
>
>Well, they're just being lazy. They need to renew that plugin's
>certification. I suppose you can just allow it to be loaded though, if
>you're sure it's the correct Link-Systems file. (You know you can check
>your certificates on the Tools>Internet Options>Content page of IE, right?

Er... I knew they were *somewhere*. :-) Actually, I was looking all
over for them.

>You can check your installed plugins aka "add-ins" on the Programs page.)

Hmm,... lotta junk in there.

>>Also, when I went into the help section from this message about why it
>>was being blocked it was talking about non-valid ones having been
>>tampered with or having viruses. Seems like work ought to have valid
>>certificates. Am I reading too much into this?
>
>What's the saying? Don't assume malice when laziness or stupidity will
>explain it? Lamers. Do the texts you use in your class have DNA and
>genetics in them yet, or are they still quoting Genesis in the Biology 101
>section? ;PP

Let's not get on science. Yucky stuff.

>
>Remote Assistance lets you stay connected and you will see what they are
>able to do. Remote Desktop would force you to log out when they logged in
>and you wouldn't see what they did.

Now that's good info to remember.

Speaking of logging on/off, I'm getting a message on the log-in screen
saying I have 1 new email. Now where the hell is *that* coming from?
(Don't tell me Bill sent me a nice message to my OE that's not even
set up.)

>
>>Hey, I found this Link Systems International:
>>http://www.link-systems.com/PJEqjz9CiqIAAGwdLLc_orig/
>>This is apparently the people who make the whiteboard -- there's this
>>LSI on the boards & I never thought about what that was. You can go
>>visit it. :-) (Except it's not quite the same cause we don't have all
>>the features.) It says the sample one is just open to everyone --
>>hey, cheat way to use a chat. :-)
>
>Hmmm. Demo works fine with Firefox.

Ah, you tried it. :-) Yeah, it does. Except for that blasted capture
plugin.

>
>>Oh, well now *this* is *really* interesting. (Do you like the way I'm
>>just talking out loud as I experiment?) Remember I'm now on LSI's
>>site -- and instead of getting an unknown publisher warning, I'm
>>getting a security message from IE asking if I want to install the
>>plugin, and the certificate is valid, with current dates. So I'm
>>installing it and seeing what happens.
>>
>>Doesn't this just make you curious as hell why I'm getting one from
>>the work site that is expired? Gotta tell the techies about this.
>
>They are sooo lazy.

Well, I emailed them yesterday. Here is the reply I got today:

"WOW, well done. I didn't even think of that.
This will definitely help us in the future.
Thanks again!"

Hahahahaha! I love it. :-)

>
>>OK, what are the MRU's with the new Ad-Aware? And why am I getting
>>messages from avast about some files not being able to be scanned
>>cause they're password protected -- files that *aren't* password
>>protected. Most of it's stuff in the Dell folder that was extracted
>>from the factory disks, but one is an old setup file for WinZip. A
>>setup file for WinZip is password protected?? And what's a
>>decompression bomb? (I am still looking for possible places a virus
>>could've been hiding.)
>
>They could be passworded by Dell, that doesn't mean they're bad - just
>that they can't be scanned. Or Avast could be mistaking the diamond
>compression of the cab files for encryption when they're just an older
>style of cab file.
>
>A decompression bomb is a file you get that is zipped or archived but when
>you expand it they create huge files or nested directory structures or
>invalid filenames. Kind of low tech malware.

Hmmm, that was my u7bochs.zip file. Not that I've ever once tried
using it.

OK, I've had quite enough of all this. Maybe I can finally get around
to installing the rest of my stuff, like my beloved old Lotus that I
hold off on til I know all is right with the world, since it's on 27
floppies. (And yes I've tried putting it on CD - you've already asked
me that.) And then get back to *using* the com-pewter instead of
fighting with it.


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are, in best sense, ever present because immortal.
~William Penn
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Anonymous
April 9, 2005 3:01:29 AM

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On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:14:19 -0400, erimess wrote:

>If you want *really* clueless, got a friend whose husband keeps going
>to all these porn sites, and clicks on the links from the emails.
>He's on the computer all weekend getting it totally screwed up, and
>she quite literally has to restore everything at the end of *every*
>weekend. (Fortunately she has very little apps she uses.) And then
>when she blames it on him, he doesn't get what he's doing. She tries
>to run Ad-Aware and it's locking up halfway through. I told her to
>get Spybot, and run it before he gets on there for the weekend, and
>then right after he gets on there, and show him the time-stamp on the
>reports it makes. :-) Jeez, I don't think I've known anyone this bad.
>
>I still like my other solution better -- she gets a new computer of
>her very own and passwords it.

Well, if she imaged her system drive she could just restore that in a
couple of minutes whenever it gets fouled up. I like Ghost32 v8 for
imaging. There are other programs - the new Ghost 9 aka Drive Image or
Acronis True Image are both popular as well.

There are also various programs that are designed to lock down a system
for kiosk use that she could use. One called Deep Freeze works pretty
well, although I haven't actually tried to see how malware resistant it
is.

>Speaking of logging on/off, I'm getting a message on the log-in screen
>saying I have 1 new email. Now where the hell is *that* coming from?
>(Don't tell me Bill sent me a nice message to my OE that's not even
>set up.)

Easiest way to deal with that (the Welcome screen being tied into Outlook
Express) is to use TweakUI (Logon>Unread Mail).
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/...

>Hmmm, that was my u7bochs.zip file. Not that I've ever once tried
>using it.

Just a false positive I think. Easier to use Exult. :) 

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Anonymous
April 9, 2005 5:46:03 AM

Archived from groups: rec.games.computer.ultima.dragons (More info?)

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:14:19 -0400, erimess wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:59:56 -0500, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>
>If you want *really* clueless, got a friend whose husband keeps going
>to all these porn sites, and clicks on the links from the emails.
>He's on the computer all weekend getting it totally screwed up, and
>she quite literally has to restore everything at the end of *every*
>weekend. (Fortunately she has very little apps she uses.) And then
>when she blames it on him, he doesn't get what he's doing. She tries
>to run Ad-Aware and it's locking up halfway through. I told her to
>get Spybot, and run it before he gets on there for the weekend, and
>then right after he gets on there, and show him the time-stamp on the
>reports it makes. :-) Jeez, I don't think I've known anyone this bad.
>
Maybe she should install Net Nanny. :-)
-=UDIC=-
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"Life Is Like A Can Of Tuna Fish - Sometimes It's Good, Sometimes It's Not So Good"
-Alfred E. Neumann
Anonymous
April 9, 2005 5:46:04 AM

Archived from groups: rec.games.computer.ultima.dragons (More info?)

On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 01:46:03 GMT, Optician Dragon
<DragonLensman1@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:14:19 -0400, erimess wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:59:56 -0500, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>If you want *really* clueless, got a friend whose husband keeps going
>>to all these porn sites, and clicks on the links from the emails.
>>He's on the computer all weekend getting it totally screwed up, and
>>she quite literally has to restore everything at the end of *every*
>>weekend. (Fortunately she has very little apps she uses.) And then
>>when she blames it on him, he doesn't get what he's doing. She tries
>>to run Ad-Aware and it's locking up halfway through. I told her to
>>get Spybot, and run it before he gets on there for the weekend, and
>>then right after he gets on there, and show him the time-stamp on the
>>reports it makes. :-) Jeez, I don't think I've known anyone this bad.
>>
>Maybe she should install Net Nanny. :-)

I think something along those lines as been suggested. :-)


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This is the comfort of everyone: That tho' they
may be said to die, yet their love and devotion
are, in best sense, ever present because immortal.
~William Penn
In memory of my father, 1 Jan 05
Anonymous
April 9, 2005 5:46:05 AM

Archived from groups: rec.games.computer.ultima.dragons (More info?)

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:38:20 -0400, erimess wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 01:46:03 GMT, Optician Dragon
><DragonLensman1@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:14:19 -0400, erimess wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:59:56 -0500, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>If you want *really* clueless, got a friend whose husband keeps going
>>>to all these porn sites, and clicks on the links from the emails.
>>>He's on the computer all weekend getting it totally screwed up, and
>>>she quite literally has to restore everything at the end of *every*
>>>weekend. (Fortunately she has very little apps she uses.) And then
>>>when she blames it on him, he doesn't get what he's doing. She tries
>>>to run Ad-Aware and it's locking up halfway through. I told her to
>>>get Spybot, and run it before he gets on there for the weekend, and
>>>then right after he gets on there, and show him the time-stamp on the
>>>reports it makes. :-) Jeez, I don't think I've known anyone this bad.
>>>
>>Maybe she should install Net Nanny. :-)
>
>I think something along those lines as been suggested. :-)

Bad Husband Nanny?

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Anonymous
April 9, 2005 10:48:21 PM

Archived from groups: rec.games.computer.ultima.dragons (More info?)

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:01:29 -0500, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:14:19 -0400, erimess wrote:
>
>>If you want *really* clueless, got a friend whose husband keeps going
>>to all these porn sites, and clicks on the links from the emails.
>>He's on the computer all weekend getting it totally screwed up, and
>>she quite literally has to restore everything at the end of *every*
>>weekend. (Fortunately she has very little apps she uses.) And then
>>when she blames it on him, he doesn't get what he's doing. She tries
>>to run Ad-Aware and it's locking up halfway through. I told her to
>>get Spybot, and run it before he gets on there for the weekend, and
>>then right after he gets on there, and show him the time-stamp on the
>>reports it makes. :-) Jeez, I don't think I've known anyone this bad.
>>
>>I still like my other solution better -- she gets a new computer of
>>her very own and passwords it.
>
>Well, if she imaged her system drive she could just restore that in a
>couple of minutes whenever it gets fouled up. I like Ghost32 v8 for
>imaging. There are other programs - the new Ghost 9 aka Drive Image or
>Acronis True Image are both popular as well.

I believe she said her factory disks had some type of full backup
option, but I'm not sure how well that's working or how long it takes.
I'll suggest this to her. (Then she'll scream at me that I was
talking about it.)

>
>>Speaking of logging on/off, I'm getting a message on the log-in screen
>>saying I have 1 new email. Now where the hell is *that* coming from?
>>(Don't tell me Bill sent me a nice message to my OE that's not even
>>set up.)
>
>Easiest way to deal with that (the Welcome screen being tied into Outlook
>Express) is to use TweakUI (Logon>Unread Mail).
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/...

Actually, it's disappeared. For now. Taskbar settings? Hmm... And
I wonder what fun things that calculator does. (Not that graphing is
really my thing.)

>
>>Hmmm, that was my u7bochs.zip file. Not that I've ever once tried
>>using it.
>
>Just a false positive I think. Easier to use Exult. :) 

Nah, too much of a purist. Actually, I got it running great with the
u7run and I ain't messing with a sure thing. (Of course, by time I
play it will be 2 versions of Windows from now and it'll be an
entirely different story.)



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U+uCuFuG+++uLB+uA+ nC+nH+nP+nS++nT-xa2

This is the comfort of everyone: That tho' they
may be said to die, yet their love and devotion
are, in best sense, ever present because immortal.
~William Penn
In memory of my father, 1 Jan 05
Anonymous
April 9, 2005 10:53:05 PM

Archived from groups: rec.games.computer.ultima.dragons (More info?)

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:28:25 -0500, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:38:20 -0400, erimess wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 01:46:03 GMT, Optician Dragon
>><DragonLensman1@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 21:14:19 -0400, erimess wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:59:56 -0500, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If you want *really* clueless, got a friend whose husband keeps going
>>>>to all these porn sites, and clicks on the links from the emails.
>>>>He's on the computer all weekend getting it totally screwed up, and
>>>>she quite literally has to restore everything at the end of *every*
>>>>weekend. (Fortunately she has very little apps she uses.) And then
>>>>when she blames it on him, he doesn't get what he's doing. She tries
>>>>to run Ad-Aware and it's locking up halfway through. I told her to
>>>>get Spybot, and run it before he gets on there for the weekend, and
>>>>then right after he gets on there, and show him the time-stamp on the
>>>>reports it makes. :-) Jeez, I don't think I've known anyone this bad.
>>>>
>>>Maybe she should install Net Nanny. :-)
>>
>>I think something along those lines as been suggested. :-)
>
>Bad Husband Nanny?

LOL!! I think they should really make that.

Of course, what's an ever bigger disaster is that I think I just got
her hung up on games. :-) Mahahahahuh!



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U+uCuFuG+++uLB+uA+ nC+nH+nP+nS++nT-xa2

This is the comfort of everyone: That tho' they
may be said to die, yet their love and devotion
are, in best sense, ever present because immortal.
~William Penn
In memory of my father, 1 Jan 05
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