Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

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I've seen it today... found it a bit of a mixed bag. I was sceptical about
how well can a book whose best bits are IMO in its page-long digressions
rather than its plot translate into a 2-hour feature film, and as a film
it's got lots of problems. It's messy and choppy, some scenes just fall flat
and it doesn't really go anywhere. That said I found a lot to enjoy about
the movie as well.

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- Marvin was great, as was Stephen Fry as the Guide. I really liked all
those funky animations.

- really liked Martin Freeman as Arthur; the book character was something of
en empty space but movie Arthur is a sweetheart, :) Sam Rockwell was a bit
of a letdown; I fully expected him to rock my socks off as Zaphod but he
only hit the mark occasionally.

- strangely enough I think I enjoyed the movie more when it came up with new
stuff than when it followed the book closely. Maybe because many of the book
bits were a lot better on page.

- the way they dealt with Zaphod's second head was super-lame IMO.

- I was prepared to totally hate the romance after even those who liked the
movie hated the love triangle, but surprisingly it worked for me.

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Great Siberian Dragon the Zingy Cool Believer of Might wrote:
> I've seen it today... found it a bit of a mixed bag. I was sceptical
about
> how well can a book whose best bits are IMO in its page-long
digressions
> rather than its plot translate into a 2-hour feature film, and as a
film
> it's got lots of problems. It's messy and choppy, some scenes just
fall flat
> and it doesn't really go anywhere. That said I found a lot to enjoy
about
> the movie as well.

I just saw the movie today myself. I would say I found it perhaps a bit
better than you. I did not find it the plot excessively messy although
there were definetly weaknesses and they left a lot of loose ends
hanging (perhaps in anticipation of a sequel?). I have to admit I have
a hard time evaluating it as a film on its own though, being well
versed in the books and radio play (and having seen the BBC TV series
once or twice). On the other hand the fact that the books diverged from
the radio play but I liked both meant that I was less wedded to any one
plot than had Hitchhiker's just been a radio drama or books.

I think the special effects were something of a mixed bag but for the
most part rather impressive giving us a rather grand view of some of
the sight's of HHGTTG.

Obviously a 2 hour film has a different feel and style than a book or a
radio play. I think they made some tradeoffs that did not work (too
many jokes lost to keep the plot moving). Still, I felt as though
although certainly not a great film it was basically successful and
better than a lot of stuff out there. On the other hand not the best
incarnation of the Guide by any stretch of the imagination.

I would sort of wonder how someone never having been exposed to another
incarnation of HHGTTG would respond to it (I suspect it might be
difficult to get).

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> - Marvin was great, as was Stephen Fry as the Guide. I really liked
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> those funky animations.

I was okay with Marvin, but my problem was being so familiar with his
lines from the radio and book versions and so few of them being new
that I perhaps did not find them as funny as I would have had they been
new to me. I still laughed and all but I was practically mouthing the
words for most of his lines. I thought it was really gutsy choice of
body style, and I think it worked as far as it went, but could just
have easily been something else. I really liked his comment about the
accuracy of the Vogons shots.

Stephen Fry did the book so close to how it was done in the radio and
on the TV that I found it nicely familiar. The animations reminded me
of the TV show (but probably far better, my memory of the TV show is
dim on this point).

> - really liked Martin Freeman as Arthur; the book character was
something of
> en empty space but movie Arthur is a sweetheart, :) Sam Rockwell was
a bit
> of a letdown; I fully expected him to rock my socks off as Zaphod but
he
> only hit the mark occasionally.

I think the characters other than Trillium and Arthur suffered from a
lack of a chance to really show themselves (2 hour movies with a lot of
story to get through can have that problem). I especially felt Ford
Prefect was shunted to the side (I think he was one of my favourite
characters in the radio version). Zaphod suffers more from being
recharacterized as more zany, I would say it is not consistent and does
not work.

> - strangely enough I think I enjoyed the movie more when it came up
with new
> stuff than when it followed the book closely. Maybe because many of
the book
> bits were a lot better on page.

I appreciated the freshness of the new stuff. I think it did okay doing
the old stuff. Also, sometimes when it redid or elaborated differently
something from the original it was quite good also (the Dolphin musical
number).

> - the way they dealt with Zaphod's second head was super-lame IMO.

Well I agree it did not work, but I am not sure any other way would
have worked either. In the other versions the fact that he has two
heads is a mere descriptor that then has no bearing on anythings. I
give them an A for effort and originality but a D for execution.

The thing that got me was how badly his third arm was done (when it
appeared it looked bad IMO). My dad who I went to see it with missed
its existence altogether. I think that was worse than the head.

> - I was prepared to totally hate the romance after even those who
liked the
> movie hated the love triangle, but surprisingly it worked for me.

I thought it was okay and it gave the plot a little more meat. So I
think it worked.

One thing I really wonder why they left it out was the explanation of
the importance of towels to an interstellar hitchhiker. Obviously
anyone who had read the books or whatever knows, but in the movie while
Ford clearly puts great stock in towels there significance is never
adequately explained to my mind. Arguably this is minor but it just
seemed odd to me.
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On 1 May 2005 21:10:23 -0700, "Saint George's Dragon"
<allan_olley@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>I would sort of wonder how someone never having been exposed to another
>incarnation of HHGTTG would respond to it (I suspect it might be
>difficult to get).

I never read the book - never much cared for DA's work. I vaguely recall
some of the old PBS miniseries. I did finish the Infocom game though.
I'm not in a hurry to see it.

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> Great Siberian Dragon the Zingy Cool Believer of Might wrote:
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> I just saw the movie today myself. I would say I found it perhaps a bit
> better than you.

Actually, I went to see it again yesterday and ended up liking it *much*
better than on the first viewing. Probably because by the second round I
stopped thinking about the book and what they included/left out of it and
could just watch the film as its own entity and accept its chaotic nature
more. I also enjoyed Ford and Zaphod's characterisations much better this
time (although the head thing still irked).

> I would sort of wonder how someone never having been exposed to another
> incarnation of HHGTTG would respond to it (I suspect it might be
> difficult to get).
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> One thing I really wonder why they left it out was the explanation of
> the importance of towels to an interstellar hitchhiker. Obviously
> anyone who had read the books or whatever knows, but in the movie while
> Ford clearly puts great stock in towels there significance is never
> adequately explained to my mind. Arguably this is minor but it just
> seemed odd to me.

I also thought it was odd that they didn't explain why exactly they needed
to guzzle down all that vast amount of beer before leaving the Earth.

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Minor HHGG spoiler follows, but it really is minor. :p

Quoth Great Siberian Dragon <daria@optushome.com.au>:
....
> I also thought it was odd that they didn't explain why exactly they needed
> to guzzle down all that vast amount of beer before leaving the Earth.

You know, I didn't even realise they hadn't explained it, because I
know the reasoning so well, but you're right, there was no in-film
rationale for it. Very odd.
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On Wed, 4 May 2005 22:30:52 +0100, Samurai <Samurai@dev.nul> wrote:

>Minor HHGG spoiler follows, but it really is minor. :p
>
>Quoth Great Siberian Dragon <daria@optushome.com.au>:
>...
>> I also thought it was odd that they didn't explain why exactly they needed
>> to guzzle down all that vast amount of beer before leaving the Earth.
>
>You know, I didn't even realise they hadn't explained it, because I
>know the reasoning so well, but you're right, there was no in-film
>rationale for it. Very odd.

The whole story is very odd. If you're complaining about something like
that, then it's just being normal "from a certain point of view".

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Eek! Polychromic wrote:
> Samurai wrote:
<snip>
>>You know, I didn't even realise they hadn't explained it, because I
>>know the reasoning so well, but you're right, there was no in-film
>>rationale for it. Very odd.
>
> The whole story is very odd. If you're complaining about something like
> that, then it's just being normal "from a certain point of view".

Normal... what's that?

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On Thu, 05 May 2005 05:36:11 GMT, Ashikaga <citizenashi@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>> Samurai wrote:
><snip>
>>>You know, I didn't even realise they hadn't explained it, because I
>>>know the reasoning so well, but you're right, there was no in-film
>>>rationale for it. Very odd.
>>
>> The whole story is very odd. If you're complaining about something like
>> that, then it's just being normal "from a certain point of view".
>
>Normal... what's that?

You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on
our own point of view.

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Eek! Polychromic wrote:
> Ashikaga wrote:
>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
<snip>
>>> The whole story is very odd. If you're complaining about something like
>>> that, then it's just being normal "from a certain point of view".
>>
>>Normal... what's that?
>
> You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on
> our own point of view.

You are weird. ;-)

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On Thu, 05 May 2005 05:47:56 GMT, Ashikaga <citizenashi@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>> Ashikaga wrote:
>>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
><snip>
>>>> The whole story is very odd. If you're complaining about something like
>>>> that, then it's just being normal "from a certain point of view".
>>>
>>>Normal... what's that?
>>
>> You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on
>> our own point of view.
>
>You are weird. ;-)

Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?

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Eek! Polychromic wrote:
> Ashikaga wrote:
>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>>> Ashikaga wrote:
>>>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
<snip>
>>>>> The whole story is very odd. If you're complaining about something like
>>>>> that, then it's just being normal "from a certain point of view".
>>>>
>>>>Normal... what's that?
>>>
>>> You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on
>>> our own point of view.
>>
>>You are weird. ;-)
>
> Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?

Who is wiser then? The wise one or the one who recognizes his talent?

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On Thu, 05 May 2005 15:43:26 GMT, Ashikaga <citizenashi@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>> Ashikaga wrote:
>>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>>>> Ashikaga wrote:
>>>>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
><snip>
>>>>>> The whole story is very odd. If you're complaining about something like
>>>>>> that, then it's just being normal "from a certain point of view".
>>>>>
>>>>>Normal... what's that?
>>>>
>>>> You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on
>>>> our own point of view.
>>>
>>>You are weird. ;-)
>>
>> Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?
>
>Who is wiser then? The wise one or the one who recognizes his talent?

This little one's not worth the effort.

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Eek! Polychromic wrote:
> Ashikaga wrote:
>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>>> Ashikaga wrote:
>>>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>>>>> Ashikaga wrote:
>>>>>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
<snip>
>>>>>>> The whole story is very odd. If you're complaining about something like
>>>>>>> that, then it's just being normal "from a certain point of view".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Normal... what's that?
>>>>>
>>>>> You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on
>>>>> our own point of view.
>>>>
>>>>You are weird. ;-)
>>>
>>> Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?
>>
>>Who is wiser then? The wise one or the one who recognizes his talent?
>
> This little one's not worth the effort.

I am not sure what you are trying to say.... I don't know why you are mean
to me even when I was trying to flatter you.

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On Thu, 05 May 2005 22:17:55 GMT, Ashikaga <citizenashi@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>> Ashikaga wrote:
>>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>>>> Ashikaga wrote:
>>>>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>>>>>> Ashikaga wrote:
>>>>>>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
><snip>
>>>>>>>> The whole story is very odd. If you're complaining about something like
>>>>>>>> that, then it's just being normal "from a certain point of view".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Normal... what's that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on
>>>>>> our own point of view.
>>>>>
>>>>>You are weird. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?
>>>
>>>Who is wiser then? The wise one or the one who recognizes his talent?
>>
>> This little one's not worth the effort.
>
>I am not sure what you are trying to say.... I don't know why you are mean
>to me even when I was trying to flatter you.

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be
cautious.

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Samurai Dragon the Fortified Scaly Well-Wisher of Excellence wrote:
>On Wed, 4 May 2005 22:30:52 +0100, Samurai <Samurai@dev.nul> wrote:
>>Minor HHGG spoiler follows, but it really is minor. :p
>>Quoth Great Siberian Dragon <daria@optushome.com.au>:
>>...
>>> I also thought it was odd that they didn't explain why exactly they needed
>>> to guzzle down all that vast amount of beer before leaving the Earth.
>>You know, I didn't even realise they hadn't explained it, because I
>>know the reasoning so well, but you're right, there was no in-film
>>rationale for it. Very odd.
>The whole story is very odd. If you're complaining about something like
>that, then it's just being normal "from a certain point of view".

Thank you Obi-Wan.

Although you have a point. In the case the thing is introduced in such
a way that they were sort of "begging" for an explanation (because
Arthur has no idea either). Further, in the radio play and books it
was explained and provided quite a nice little joke opportunity.

On the other hand I think there are things that happen in the movie
that suggest things that were explained in far more detail in say the
book, but which did not need or want any further explanation in the
context of the movie.
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addresses the awaiting newsgroup...

> Eek! Polychromic wrote:

>> This little one's not worth the effort.
>
> I am not sure what you are trying to say.... I don't know why you are
> mean to me even when I was trying to flatter you.

It's a quote from one of the Star Wars movies.

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On Thu, 05 May 2005 13:34:52 -0500, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Thu, 05 May 2005 15:43:26 GMT, Ashikaga <citizenashi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>>> Ashikaga wrote:
>>>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>>>>> Ashikaga wrote:
>>>>>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>><snip>
>>>>>>> The whole story is very odd. If you're complaining about something like
>>>>>>> that, then it's just being normal "from a certain point of view".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Normal... what's that?
>>>>>
>>>>> You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on
>>>>> our own point of view.
>>>>
>>>>You are weird. ;-)
>>>
>>> Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?
>>
>>Who is wiser then? The wise one or the one who recognizes his talent?
>
>This little one's not worth the effort.
These droids are not the ones you seek.
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On Fri, 6 May 2005 07:12:35 -0500, "psz" <psz01@cox.net> wrote:

>
>"Optician Dragon" <DragonLensman1@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 05 May 2005 13:34:52 -0500, Polychromic <macecil@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 05 May 2005 15:43:26 GMT, Ashikaga <citizenashi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>>>>> Ashikaga wrote:
>>>>>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>>>>>>> Ashikaga wrote:
>>>>>>>>Eek! Polychromic wrote:
>>>><snip>
>>>>>>>>> The whole story is very odd. If you're complaining about something
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> that, then it's just being normal "from a certain point of view".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Normal... what's that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend
>>>>>>> greatly on
>>>>>>> our own point of view.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You are weird. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?
>>>>
>>>>Who is wiser then? The wise one or the one who recognizes his talent?
>>>
>>>This little one's not worth the effort.
>> These droids are not the ones you seek.
>> -=UDIC=-
>> Optician Dragon
>> "Life Is Like A Can Of Tuna Fish - Sometimes It's Good, Sometimes It's Not
>> So Good"
>> -Alfred E. Neumann
>
>
>Actually:
>
>These aren't the droid's you're looking for.
>
>He can go about his business.
>
>Move along.
Ah, must have gotten mixed up with Hardware Wars. :)
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Words to the wise, "psz" <psz01@cox.net> wrote:

>Actually:
>
>These aren't the droid's you're looking for.
>
>He can go about his business.
>
>Move along.

I am your father!

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Quoth Claus Dragon <claus@ultima-dragons.org>:
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> Explore your feelings, you know it is true!

"Search your feelings", but it might have been different in
translation. :)
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Eek! Samurai wrote:
> Quoth Claus Dragon:
> ...
>> Explore your feelings, you know it is true!
>
> "Search your feelings", but it might have been different in
> translation. :)

Pedant in action. Kewl! ;-)

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In article <427391c4$0$8123$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
daria@optushome.com.au says...
> I've seen it today... found it a bit of a mixed bag. I was sceptical about
> how well can a book whose best bits are IMO in its page-long digressions
> rather than its plot translate into a 2-hour feature film, and as a film
> it's got lots of problems. It's messy and choppy, some scenes just fall flat
> and it doesn't really go anywhere. That said I found a lot to enjoy about
> the movie as well.
>
> <spoilers>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>

My biggest disappointment came at the start of the movie where Arthur
was lying down in front of the bulldozer. I was waiting for Ford to
convince the foreman to lie down in his place but it never happened.

The gun was marvelous and the guide animations were superb. :)

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Minor spoilers follow. You have been warned.



Quoth Wtcher Dragon <nospambirdy@ultima-dragons.org>:
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> My biggest disappointment came at the start of the movie where Arthur
> was lying down in front of the bulldozer. I was waiting for Ford to
> convince the foreman to lie down in his place but it never happened.

That was a shame, but as we've already discussed, there was a fair bit
one might have expected to see left out.

> The gun was marvelous and the guide animations were superb. :)

Interestingly, I found said animations no better than, and in several
cases not as effective as the ones from the TV series. As for the gun,
I thought it was worthy of getting added to the mythos -- if it hadn't
cropped up in Adams' notes, it remained worthy of his work.
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Samurai wrote:

> Interestingly, I found said animations no better than, and in several
> cases not as effective as the ones from the TV series. As for the gun,
> I thought it was worthy of getting added to the mythos -- if it hadn't
> cropped up in Adams' notes, it remained worthy of his work.

Are we talking about a Kill-O-Zap pistol or something else?
 
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On Sun, 08 May 2005 13:09:11 -0400, Helgraf_Dragon
<helgraf@ultima-dragons.org> wrote:

>Samurai wrote:
>
>> Interestingly, I found said animations no better than, and in several
>> cases not as effective as the ones from the TV series. As for the gun,
>> I thought it was worthy of getting added to the mythos -- if it hadn't
>> cropped up in Adams' notes, it remained worthy of his work.
>
>Are we talking about a Kill-O-Zap pistol or something else?

Only gun I noticed was something called the Point of View gun.

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