Is it even possible to use DVD-A or SACD in a modern system?

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Like most people[1], I listen to all my music (quite legally) in
ripped digital formats. I've been under the impression that, thanks
to the copy protection on DVD-A and SACD discs, it's not even possible
to convert them to a usable form; but I suddenly wonder if this is
actually true.

So: Is it possible to rip DVD-A/SACD discs to a format suitable for
general listening purposes (WMA, FLAC, whatever)?


[1] I'm being slightly anticipatory here, possibly, but only slightly.
--
Mike Kozlowski
http://www.klio.org/mlk/

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In article <dakoki01g4r@news3.newsguy.com>,
Kalman Rubinson <kr4@nyu.edu> wrote:
>On 8 Jul 2005 00:25:25 GMT, Mike Kozlowski <mlk@klio.org> wrote:
>
>>Like most people[1], I listen to all my music (quite legally) in
>>ripped digital formats. I've been under the impression that, thanks
>>to the copy protection on DVD-A and SACD discs, it's not even possible
>>to convert them to a usable form; but I suddenly wonder if this is
>>actually true.
>>
>>So: Is it possible to rip DVD-A/SACD discs to a format suitable for
>>general listening purposes (WMA, FLAC, whatever)?
>
>AFAIK, the DVD-A encryption has recently been cracked and you can copy
>mch DVD-A

Is this feasible, though? I mean, even if you de-encrypt the disc,
will Windows Media Player (or whatever) be able to read the data you
rip? I gather it's stored in MLP format, and I don't know if programs
can handle that as input.

>IMHO, who cares? I prefer to just listen to them.

Me too. But if I can't rip them, I can't listen to them in any
meaningful sense.

--
Mike Kozlowski
http://www.klio.org/mlk/

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Mike Kozlowski wrote:

>So: Is it possible to rip DVD-A/SACD discs to a format suitable for
>general listening purposes (WMA, FLAC, whatever)?

I don't think so. SACD is also a problem for those of us who
use digital room correction or tone control.


Mike Prager
North Carolina, USA

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Steven Sullivan <ssully@panix.com> wrote:
> Mike Kozlowski <mlk@klio.org> wrote:
> > Like most people[1], I listen to all my music (quite legally) in
> > ripped digital formats. I've been under the impression that, thanks
> > to the copy protection on DVD-A and SACD discs, it's not even possible
> > to convert them to a usable form; but I suddenly wonder if this is
> > actually true.

> > So: Is it possible to rip DVD-A/SACD discs to a format suitable for
> > general listening purposes (WMA, FLAC, whatever)?

> No. Not yet. Though you can of course capture the analog two-channel output
> to digital, and do whatever you like to that.



I take that back -- some Russian hacker's DVD-A copier started circulating
back in May. Here's a thread about it:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forum [...] opic=34368

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Steven Sullivan wrote:

> Steven Sullivan <ssully@panix.com> wrote:
>> Mike Kozlowski <mlk@klio.org> wrote:
>> > Like most people[1], I listen to all my music (quite legally) in
>> > ripped digital formats. I've been under the impression that, thanks
>> > to the copy protection on DVD-A and SACD discs, it's not even possible
>> > to convert them to a usable form; but I suddenly wonder if this is
>> > actually true.
>
>> > So: Is it possible to rip DVD-A/SACD discs to a format suitable for
>> > general listening purposes (WMA, FLAC, whatever)?
>
>> No. Not yet. Though you can of course capture the analog two-channel output
>> to digital, and do whatever you like to that.
>
>
>
> I take that back -- some Russian hacker's DVD-A copier started circulating
> back in May. Here's a thread about it:
>
> http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forum [...] opic=34368

This brings up an interesting dilemma for the recording industry. If
they release DVD-A, then customers can rip and illegally distribute,
like they can with redbook CD. However, customers are also more likely
to buy a DVD-A recording that they can rip and play on other media
players, so sales may increase.

The one thing holding me back in buying more DVD-A/SACD's is that I
cannot listen to them on portable devices, or in a car (unless I get a
DVD-A capable player in the car). I will buy more DVD-A's if it can be
conveniently ripped.

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"Chung" <chunglau@covad.net> wrote in message
newsaoun101mpt@news4.newsguy.com...
> Steven Sullivan wrote:
>
>> Steven Sullivan <ssully@panix.com> wrote:
>>> Mike Kozlowski <mlk@klio.org> wrote:
>>> > Like most people[1], I listen to all my music (quite legally) in
>>> > ripped digital formats. I've been under the impression that, thanks
>>> > to the copy protection on DVD-A and SACD discs, it's not even possible
>>> > to convert them to a usable form; but I suddenly wonder if this is
>>> > actually true.
>>
>>> > So: Is it possible to rip DVD-A/SACD discs to a format suitable for
>>> > general listening purposes (WMA, FLAC, whatever)?
>>
>>> No. Not yet. Though you can of course capture the analog two-channel
>>> output
>>> to digital, and do whatever you like to that.
>>
>>
>>
>> I take that back -- some Russian hacker's DVD-A copier started
>> circulating back in May. Here's a thread about it:
>>
>> http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forum [...] opic=34368
>
> This brings up an interesting dilemma for the recording industry. If they
> release DVD-A, then customers can rip and illegally distribute, like they
> can with redbook CD. However, customers are also more likely to buy a
> DVD-A recording that they can rip and play on other media players, so
> sales may increase.
>
> The one thing holding me back in buying more DVD-A/SACD's is that I cannot
> listen to them on portable devices, or in a car (unless I get a DVD-A
> capable player in the car). I will buy more DVD-A's if it can be
> conveniently ripped.

I recently purchased Ben Folds 'Songs For Silverman' in a dual disc
format...I'm curious as to anyone's opinion on the viability of this
alternative to DVD-A/SACD. Does DVD-A and/or SACD offer any advantages over
Dolby Digital or DTS?


..

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On 10 Jul 2005 15:12:01 GMT, "Gary Vander Schel" <vanderschel@isp.com>
wrote:

>I recently purchased Ben Folds 'Songs For Silverman' in a dual disc
>format...I'm curious as to anyone's opinion on the viability of this
>alternative to DVD-A/SACD. Does DVD-A and/or SACD offer any advantages over
>Dolby Digital or DTS?

The audio quality/resolution on DDs is variable, poorly defined and,
to me, generally disappointing. The two discrete media are generally
superior in these aspects, although, they too, are sometimes not all
one expects.

Kal

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"gofab.com" <tplqqq@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On 9 Jul 2005 16:41:05 GMT, in article <daoun101mpt@news4.newsguy.com>,
Chung
> stated:
>
>
>
> >The one thing holding me back in buying more DVD-A/SACD's
>
>
> You mean other than the incredibly narrow selection of available music
recorded
> in those formats? )

Depends on what music you are interested. The SACD classical market is
alive and kicking. The SACD jazz reissue market is extensive, and gaining
(slowly) some newly recorded jazz. Pop is still a hit or miss affair
(mostly miss) but John Hiatt's recent hit "Master of Disaster" is a
single-release hybrid SACD that last week was at #7 on the album charts and
climbing...and his producer Jim Davidson has become a one-man PR proponent
for DSD and SACD (John Hiatt himself is the one who dragged Jim into DSD,
since he - John - has a SACD system at home). BTW, that disk has the
greatest set of songs "with hooks" that I've heard in one place in 20 years.
If you like melody, somewhat surreal lyrics, and good rock and roll, I can
highly recommend it.

3700 releases isn't the world, compared to the CD catalog, but for somebody
like myself mostly interested in classical, jazz, and singer-songwriters,
it is a catalog already well beyond the scope of my pocketbook.