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HP Pavillion HDX Entertainment Notebook PC (Penryn)

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January 10, 2008 11:42:31 AM

I read the review for this new notebook from Laptop Magazine's website:

http://www.laptopmag.com/Review/HP-Pavillion-HDX-Entert...

This sounds like a fantastic notebook. However, I have a few questions concerning it.

1.) Anyone know when this is coming out? I called HP and they said its their new flagship laptop but they said they're not sure when its coming out. Maybe later this month they said.

2.) How are the HDX notebooks of the past? The new one in the review will be featuring an Nvidia DirectX-10 compatible video card (though no idea if they'll be using SLI or only single card). Have they held up in the past as good quality notebooks?

3.) I've got a budget of about $5,000 to buy a new laptop. I travel quite a bit and I also game A LOT. Thus the need for a powerhouse laptop. Some might say it's not worth spending that much on a laptop when you can have a better desktop but my desktop (from Alienware) will put any laptop on the market right now to shame. So I know the arguments but I still want a laptop that can handle Crysis and the like. I've looked at Falcon NW and Voodoo but they are so extremely overpriced that I can't justify it. Hypersonic is cheaper but I know very little about them.

So, basically, my question is first about this new HDX laptop and second, whether I should go with that or look to a different company to get the most bang for my buck. I would think $5,000 would be plenty to pay for an extremely powerful laptop that can not only play the games I want at good quality but to also function well and not fall apart on me within a few months.

The new penryn Intel looks great and that might be the reason for the delay because as far as I know, no notebooks have this model processor in it.

Any feedback you could give to my queries here would be greatly appreciated.

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January 10, 2008 1:35:05 PM

Using a Sager right now. Build quality is excellent. Haven't had to call customer support yet. Sager/Clevo is actually the company that makes laptops for companies like WidowPC and XoticPC who just rebrand them with their names.
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January 10, 2008 2:49:03 PM

thats right ^^^

Sager is a company which makes good laptops with very attractive price
http://forum.notebookreview.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1017

BTW, the best notebook in the world currently is NP9262 but it has a little brother too,SAGER 5792, which has intel mobile processors + single 8800GTX
January 10, 2008 4:03:43 PM

Thanks for all the info.

Only thing I do now before I buy the Sager is ask if I should wait for the 2.5-GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T9300. That's the penryn model and it doesn't seem like Sager offers it. Do you know how much better is than the Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 (which I've heard is actually better than the Quad core models that are available at the moment).

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a b D Laptop
January 10, 2008 4:12:56 PM

For the most part, mobile processors really can't touch the desktop versions. The E6750 should beat the Penryns, but I can't say for certain.

If you want to check them out, look at www.killernotebooks.com. They offer Sager models, with some home made modifications. Their prices are a little steeper, but just ask theWorminator, it's worth it.
January 10, 2008 4:24:24 PM

lostandwandering said:
For the most part, mobile processors really can't touch the desktop versions. The E6750 should beat the Penryns, but I can't say for certain.

If you want to check them out, look at www.killernotebooks.com. They offer Sager models, with some home made modifications. Their prices are a little steeper, but just ask theWorminator, it's worth it.



I'm looking through the killernotebooks.com options and they don't seem to have as many options as xoticpc has (i.e. an HD optical drive, SLI only available through the Turion X2 duo model, etc...)

What types of home made modifications am I missing here?

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January 10, 2008 4:46:11 PM

He offers SLI in the Odachi, but you need to select it I believe (doesn't have the 8800's up as an option yet). He does modifications to the cooling system to improve heat dissipation. Add onto that the fact that he will put just about any graphic on the back of the notebook that you can think of. If you ask him to put an HD-DVD or Bluray into it, I'm sure he'd do it.
http://www.killernotebooks.com/executioner_sr/executioner_sr_heatsink_mod.html
http://www.killernotebooks.com/customization.html

I'm not necessarily saying K|N is the best option, just another one to consider.
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January 11, 2008 8:09:23 AM

arent killer notebooks more expensive than sager ones lostandwandering?(i wish i knew your name, cuz i have i to write your username and it takes some time :D  )

also i agree with u about the MOBILE CPUs, desktop CPUs perform better but they run hotter.
Even for some CPUs like E6750 and T7800 that have the same speed, the E6750 performs better because it has more FSB
a b D Laptop
January 11, 2008 1:11:08 PM

Yeah, I mentioned the extra cost in the first post that I brought K|N up in.

BTW, my names logan if you want to use that.
January 11, 2008 2:24:29 PM

Yeah, Killer Notebooks is more expensive than Sager, but it has it's advantages. Customization, heat sink mods (to add more surface area -> more heat dissipation) along with the fact that you deal with the owner personally. Very good customer service. It's got all the pros and cons of working with a small company: it's much more personal and customized but it might take longer to build and it'll cost more.

If you're interested in contacting the owner (Mark), I can PM you his email. I'd rather not post it up on the forums, doing things like that tends to attract spambots.
April 27, 2008 12:00:06 AM

[#1c00e2] If your trying to choose between the Hp HDX and the Sager np9262.........if you want good speed and huge 20.1 inch screen get the Hp HDX (good gaming).........if you want REALLY good speed and a large 17 inch it has been told to be the fastest on the market it has a quad core...... THE BIG THING IS THE BATTERY LIFETIME.....SAGER IS 30 TO 60 MINUTES......HP HDX IS ABOUT 2.5 TO 3.5 HOURS.......... well equiped.....sager 3750 from "http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9262-ultimate-custom-lap..."...................HP HDX greatly equiped.........3600.....truthfully I would go for the HP HDX....it has a longer battery life.......by far.......bigger screen and more hook ups.....but like i said was LOOK AT THE BATTERY LIFE......60 TO 30 MINUTES............COMPARED TO 2.5 TO 3.5 HOURS......i am still choosing my laptop plus last ting is hp has a much better support......so i will most likly be choosing the HP HDX.....Thank You for reading this
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April 27, 2008 7:24:00 AM

HP HDX is only bigger than SAGER NP9262 and IMO it has a better design
But for specs SAGER NP9262 is alot better than it, it supports new 45nm CPUs too like E8400
April 27, 2008 11:26:34 PM

Quote:
I travel quite a bit...


Why are you guys encouraging the HDX? It simply does not travel well, lugging this big delicate thing around, and won't fit on an airplane tray. Even a 17" is too big.

I am anticipating the Asus M70, but no one has any hands-on info about build quality, nor an availability date.
a b D Laptop
April 28, 2008 12:36:20 AM

Clevo is supposed to be releasing a 15.4'' notebook to compete with the Alienware m15x. Supposed to be a powerhouse in a portable form. If anything, I would wait for that now.

Quantum: The OP was the one who brought the HDX up in the first place. That would indicate that he knows the downsides to such a large system. And besides a select few 15.4'' systems, most are not suitable for a lot of gaming, which the OP stated he does.
April 28, 2008 1:19:04 AM

Alright but I want to get great gaming but also not have it pluged in 24/7..... with the sager np9262 you get great gaming but only 30 to 60 minutes.....now that sucks!!!!! with the Hp HDX you get a bigger screen and the battery lifetime is 2.5 to 3.5......now thats not great but it is much better then 30 to 60 minutes........and asers are the worst of them all.......I have at least 10 friends with great acers and paid some good money for them...they all broke down in 6 to 12 months.......now a hp or sager will last a great amount of time.....and i now it's just luck.......but the laptop with my configuration......hp has 1 year everything.......sager has a 3 year everything and both have 24/7 lifetime........so try betting that with an acer (plus acers are not the best for gaming) P.S. don't buy a gateway........they are closing down fast!!!!.....Just a warning
April 28, 2008 8:13:28 AM

No chance you're gaming on the HDX for 2-3.5 hours unless it's minesweeper.

It's still just a 9 cell battery not a nuclear fuel cell.

It's a nice laptop, almost got one myself, but it need juice just like all the other large LCD, fact processor laptops out there.
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April 28, 2008 8:23:45 AM

HDX main good features are :
20" With 1920x1200 resolution + Tv tuner
500GB HDD
4GB RAM
8800M GTS 512
Core2Duo CPU

Its truely a desktop replacemant, i may get one soon, The batter life is good for a 20" Laptop IMO
April 28, 2008 5:30:02 PM

alright it wont last 2.5 to 3.5 hours on gaming but that also means that the sager with a normal 30 to 60 minutes would be about 15 to 30 minutes........but still on the hdx you will get a good 1.75 to 2 hours of game play............plus I was really think they have not gotten the the quad core for laptops yet.......would you guys say that.....I am just really trying to decide between the HP HDX and the Sager NP9262.....what would you guys go for........sager has more stuff but the hp is a hp.......it is the best brand and I have not heard of the sager until a week or 2 ago......so what would you do..........HP or Sager??????????????????????
a b D Laptop
April 28, 2008 6:15:14 PM

Personally, I would go with Sager, typing on one now. I don't think I would go with the 9262 though. I would go with the 5793 since it uses an 8800mGTX, mobile processors and will have longer battery life.

As far as quad core for laptops, no there is no mobile quad chip out yet, but Intel is releasing one soon (don't remember the date, search for my post about it).
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a b α HP
April 28, 2008 6:22:38 PM


to Logan:
Well even if Intel releases QuadCore for laptops, i hardly recommend it because most apps/games arent multi threaded

to matthew:
HP has better built quality IMO but the SAGER one has better Specs
8800M GTX is better than 8800M GTS but the difference isnt very much

If u need SLI, then go for NP9262 if u dont need SLI and need something that its battery can last long and also produces less heat go for NP5793 or HP HDX

Sager NP5739 is same as HDX but it has 8800M GTX and its 17"

I mysel like HDX alot because it has a solid design but as i said NP5793 looks very good and has a very good price
a b D Laptop
April 28, 2008 6:54:10 PM

Maziar said:
to Logan:
Well even if Intel releases QuadCore for laptops, i hardly recommend it because most apps/games arent multi threaded

to matthew:
HP has better built quality IMO but the SAGER one has better Specs
8800M GTX is better than 8800M GTS but the difference isnt very much


As for the Quad, that is very true and add on the $1K price tag of the CPU, it's just not an appealing option IMO.

As for build quality, Ive noticed some things. Being in a college dorm environment, I get to mess around with all sorts of my friends laptops. Being able to compare my Sager to all sorts of Dells, HPs, and Acers, I think the Clevo/Sager has some of the best build quality. Don't get me wrong, Dell and HP aren't slacking in that department, but I have yet to find a flaw with my laptop.

These types of choices are always tough, because you end up with so many people with different opinions and experiences. It's not an easy choice and it's one I debated about for at least 6 months before I made my decision.
April 28, 2008 8:00:36 PM

Yeah I'd say the Clevo vs HP quality wise will be a personal preference, I depfinitely would take HP's customer service over Sager's not that their is bad or anything.

For me the thing I noticed/liked the most in the HP build quality was the lack of keyboard flex, which is something some laptops experience mmore than others. My old Gateway was rocksolid, just like the old smaller thinkpads I had, the Fujitsu now is a little spongier, so it annoys me, and that's the way I feel about most Clevos vs the current batch of HP. Nothing major, but a foible that bugs me particularly.

But overall both are top notch IMO, and not cheap, so you should get pretty close to the same quality, and just need to ensure the parts match your needs.

Personally I want a quad core, but then again I usually have a bunch of things going at once, and the apps that I need the most power for are usually multi-core aware, like 3Danimation, photo/video editing apps and modern games which while not as aware now will only become more and more so, especially with intel buying the likes of Havoc IMO.
April 30, 2008 12:42:01 AM

first what is sli.......This is a big big choise and I have not decided what to do.........I have been going around to forums like this........now there is a big rumor that the quad core is not at its best so far........I REALLY need to make this choise.......I have to have one right after summer.......now what I want my laptop top to have is extreme gaming, super fast, mobility (dont care about weight very much I am strong) , Good battery life time (til have to charge) , good suport and warenty (sorry bad spelling) , going to last a LONG LONG LONG LONG TIME..........and last 17" or higher....and LAST, no more then $6000.......and also have to have payments...........NOW I AM DONE.
a b D Laptop
April 30, 2008 1:34:26 AM

SLI means Scalable Link Interface. SLI uses 2 graphics cards simultaneously to boost performance depending on the game. IMO, SLI is a bit of a waste. It is expensive, doesn't return double the performance for nearly double the price, and it kills your battery life.

IMO, get the best single card system that you can get. Right now, that happens to be the Sager NP5793 (decent support w/ 3 year warranty FYI)
April 30, 2008 6:37:17 PM

matthew4295 said:
This is a big big choise and I have not decided what to do.........I have been going around to forums like this........now there is a big rumor that the quad core is not at its best so far........I REALLY need to make this choise.......I have to have one right after summer.......


Ok, so if you don't need it unti right after summer, then wait a short time. The new intel Montevina platform comes out in just over a month, with it comes support for faster memory, faster CPUs (plus current CPUs), fast interconnects, all around entire platform boost (google montevina for details);
http://download.intel.com/products/roadmap/roadmap.pdf#...

(if that direct link does work, follow this one: http://www.intel.com/products/roadmap/laptop.htm )

Quote:
now what I want my laptop top to have is extreme gaming, super fast, mobility (dont care about weight very much I am strong) , Good battery life time (til have to charge) , good suport and warenty (sorry bad spelling) , going to last a LONG LONG LONG LONG TIME..........and last 17" or higher....and LAST, no more then $6000.......and also have to have payments...........NOW I AM DONE.


Only problem with the above request is the balance between performance and battery.
If you want long battery life and gaming or any other stessful apps, then battery life will fall through the floor, even with an SSD or other things battery life will get sucked up by a CPU and GPU running under heavy load.

Best bet would be to get the powerful laptop, and then a secondary external polymer battery IMO, it gives you the life of about 2-3 batteries, but doesn't really bog you down too much, and easier to manage than 2 extra batteries, etc.

IMO, wait for Montevina, and still stick with dual core (unless you KNOW your app will benifit noticably from Quad support), do NOT get a desktop quad though only a mobile 45nm Quad should be even considered, and even then IMO, go with a better dual core than quad, unless specific need. Also by that time we should see some new option in graphics as well, and if the rumours of an RV7xx based solution are correct, then that would be nice. Even a revamped shrunk GF8800M would be nice for your need of power and performance.

Anywhoo, unless you need to buy in the next coupla weeks, wait for the Montevina's launch.
a b D Laptop
April 30, 2008 7:00:08 PM

^Good advice. Listen to the man.
May 1, 2008 2:32:57 AM

alright what is a external polymer battery and where could I get one for a mostly going to buy HP HDX????? also the new intel will not be on a laptop....or will it..............plus only REALLY new laptops are going to support that.........now would you say to get (if there is a choise) (will this drain my battery more) a intel Montevina's or a 2.8 ghz EXTREME INTEL......thank you for helping me on this stuff...... :-)
May 1, 2008 2:47:26 AM

one more thing I want to know should I get a 2.5ghz core 2 duo or pay an extra $650 to upgrade to a 2.8ghz core 2 extreme.......would it really upgrade my laptop or will it REALLY DRAIN MY BATTERY LIFE TIME (time til power drained)
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May 1, 2008 6:55:21 AM

Go for T9300 its the best price/performance ratio CPU between those and
2.5 vs 2.8 doesnt make alot of difference and isnt worth the price
May 2, 2008 2:56:19 AM

203380,30,323265 said:
alright what is a external polymer battery and where could I get one for a mostly going to buy HP HDX?????

You know google, really helps alot for questions like that, eh!?! :kaola: 
Do a little shopping, it's been over a year since I bought mine (96Whr one) for the old DELL and Gateway. But here are a few examples (not sure what works with HDX, but you want at least 100Whr IMO);
http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtools/item-de...
http://www.laptopbattery.net/universalbatteries.html
http://www.amazon.co.uk/2-Power-Universal-External-Long...
http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?...

You may need to work hard to find the proper 150+Whr range that would be best for this type of laptop you want, but they are available (although I don't know if they are still polymers at that time or more like a standard but large external battery.

Quote:
also the new intel will not be on a laptop....or will it


Follow the link I provided (with laptop in the address :hello:  ) and google Montevina, there is one primary role for Montevina, and the only desktops getting it will be the prissy ones like the iMac and Gateway ONE.


Quote:
plus only REALLY new laptops are going to support that


But, you're talking about $5,000+ and not needing to buy until the end of summer by which time Montevinas will be in most current shipping laptops, or maybe you were talking about summer in the southern Hemisphere?
Whatever you can buy now for X dollars you will find better performance and features for the same dollar once the Montevina platforms hit the shelves. Everyone who knows anything about laptops and is planning on buying this summer is waiting for them to arrive. They won't be as earth shattering as Nehalem will be, but they are going to be sweet, and alot of companies are timing their new products to coincide with this new platform, so you will liekly see faster/better SSDs, Video solutions, etc.

Quote:
now would you say to get (if there is a choise) (will this drain my battery more) a intel Montevina's or a 2.8 ghz EXTREME INTEL.

Depends on what you're doing but I agree with Maziar, anything more than a T9300 isn't going to give you much right now. Once the Montevinas come out it will be a combination of performance and feature factors. The diffference in battery drain will be pretty insignificant, if anything Robson2 will actually make it worthwhile for battery saving use so likely the increase power drain of DDR3, etc will be offset by that a bit acting like an SSD (but likely not giving you much benefit if you're actually hooked up to newest model SSD).

We won't know power features of those future products for sure until they ship and are reviewed, but for now the T9300 is the chip to look at IMO.
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May 4, 2008 4:51:41 PM

SO one question......I didn't get this form your letter........is it (Montevina) going to be on a laptop or desktop........
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May 4, 2008 4:56:36 PM

laptop, i think
May 7, 2008 1:59:45 AM

So now all I want to know is WHEN or IF it will come out on the HP HDX.....
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May 7, 2008 7:55:56 AM

Mate dont think about it alot, no one knows the exact release date, and how it will perfrom and other things.......
if u want to wait u never can buy a new thing
May 7, 2008 10:58:14 PM

that is very true!!!
May 10, 2008 5:00:09 PM

Alright now I have goten the sager out of my head.....now I have to chose between the the Dell xps 1730 and the hp hdx......dell is know to have the best gaming laptops!!! so what should I do???
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a b α HP
May 10, 2008 5:32:04 PM

but why ?

If u need extreme gaming then go for M1730 if u need a desktop replacement with good gaming (but not as good as Dell because its 8800MGTX (SLI) vs 8800M GTS) go for HDX
May 11, 2008 4:42:21 AM

Alreight never mind I have chosen the Hp HDX.....If you disagree tell me why......and tell me a better computer
May 11, 2008 4:45:41 AM

The Dell m1730 is more of a decktop replacement...it gets only 55 minutes battery life.....So this may not be a good as a gaming laptop....but it get a lot more battery life time
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May 11, 2008 11:33:56 AM

Mate everything i tell u, u do something else lol :) 
I told u to get SAGER NP9262 it has a good battery life (better than XPS) and for no reasons u said no

Also u have chosen the HDX so how can my idea affect your decission?

Best laptop in the world=Sager NP9262 (=a true desktop replacement)
HDX=Good gaming +desktop replacement
XPS M1730=Good but very overprice laptop
May 11, 2008 9:23:02 PM

Maziar said:
Mate everything i tell u, u do something else


Exactly. :pfff: 

Yep, I'm done with this thread.

He asked me a second time about the Montevina after I put a nice wavy handed guy by the answer and the link (if you read it) says explicitly what it is. Boy doesn't listen, or at least absorb information.

Until matthew is buying, I don't want to take part in this "I'm buying in 3-4 months I want to over-anal-yze this" excercise.

2 weeks before he's ready to buy, post here. Until then, go outside. [:thegreatgrapeape:5]
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