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microsoft.public.cert.* only talks about exam materials,
so i decided to ask in here.
I saw some local ads about MCSE, that it only teaches Windows 2000. I
believe that most businesses still use win2k, but is it worth to take the
course if the trend is going to Windows 2003 server? and also OT,
If I want to learn Java, XML, Oracle in one certification, is there such a
course available?
Thanks
Jack
 

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You can decide that for yourself based on exam costs. You can go for the 200
track, then add more exams to upgrade to the 2003. The XML, Java, Oracle
you're looking at the .NET certification and Oracle certs, with both each
taking 4 exams minimum and you would really need SQL knowledge jumbled into
that.
Also remember, Microsoft went to a lot of simulator exams which means you
_do_ need hands on experience to manage many of the questions on the exams
as they will put you into situational questions IE: 70-290 & 70-291 which
has you make specific changes as though you are on the server & need to edit
permissions, roaming accounts etc.
Good luck.

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"Jacky Luk" <jl@knight.com> wrote in message
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> microsoft.public.cert.* only talks about exam materials,
> so i decided to ask in here.
> I saw some local ads about MCSE, that it only teaches Windows 2000. I
> believe that most businesses still use win2k, but is it worth to take the
> course if the trend is going to Windows 2003 server? and also OT,
> If I want to learn Java, XML, Oracle in one certification, is there such a
> course available?
> Thanks
> Jack
>
 
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Sorry about being OT. I would be grateful if someone could help me. Thanks
in advance
Jack

"Jacky Luk" <jl@knight.com> ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó·s»D:uy4WHy%23cFHA.796@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> microsoft.public.cert.* only talks about exam materials,
> so i decided to ask in here.
> I saw some local ads about MCSE, that it only teaches Windows 2000. I
> believe that most businesses still use win2k, but is it worth to take the
> course if the trend is going to Windows 2003 server? and also OT,
> If I want to learn Java, XML, Oracle in one certification, is there such a
> course available?
> Thanks
> Jack
>
 
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Thanks Kim.
And I'd like to know how long it would take for the whole course (MCSE) and
the Oracle course? are the durations fixed? Sorry, I need to quickly gear up
myself to find a job. And I'm a bit "fall-behind" with technologies...
Thanks in advance
Jack

"KrazE" <nospam@nospam.com> ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó·s»D:%23XLlU9%23cFHA.2212@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> You can decide that for yourself based on exam costs. You can go for the
> 200 track, then add more exams to upgrade to the 2003. The XML, Java,
> Oracle you're looking at the .NET certification and Oracle certs, with
> both each taking 4 exams minimum and you would really need SQL knowledge
> jumbled into that.
> Also remember, Microsoft went to a lot of simulator exams which means you
> _do_ need hands on experience to manage many of the questions on the exams
> as they will put you into situational questions IE: 70-290 & 70-291 which
> has you make specific changes as though you are on the server & need to
> edit permissions, roaming accounts etc.
> Good luck.
>
> --
> ~*Kim*~
>
> MCP/MCSA/MCSE
> The Canadian DOS Prompt: EH?\>
>
>
>
> "Jacky Luk" <jl@knight.com> wrote in message
> news:uy4WHy%23cFHA.796@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> microsoft.public.cert.* only talks about exam materials,
>> so i decided to ask in here.
>> I saw some local ads about MCSE, that it only teaches Windows 2000. I
>> believe that most businesses still use win2k, but is it worth to take the
>> course if the trend is going to Windows 2003 server? and also OT,
>> If I want to learn Java, XML, Oracle in one certification, is there such
>> a course available?
>> Thanks
>> Jack
>>
>
>
 

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Jacky Luk wrote:

> And I'd like to know how long it would take for the
> whole course (MCSE) and the Oracle course? are the
> durations fixed? Sorry, I need to quickly gear up
> myself to find a job. And I'm a bit "fall-behind"
> with technologies...
> Thanks in advance
> Jack

I hate to piss on your parade, but you can take all the book-learning
classes you like. HOWEVER, if you've got no related JOB experience,
having an MCSE certification and $1.90 will get you a Vente coffee at
most Starbucks.

And nothing more
 

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Longer than you hope unfortunately. Being that they changed most exams to
simulation you do need to get some hands on experience in order to be able
to answer the questions posed during the exams. This was their way to rise
out of all the paper based MCSE's which became an issue when companies
demanded this requirement & hired employees without a clue.
Unfortunately I see that every day, with one employee who infact did not
know how to manage something as simple as changing from C: to A: in DOS AND
had MCSE status.
Check in your area from places that offer training. You can get training
called "boot camp" which is a hard core learning method that practically
crams knowledge up your butt without lube, but it does the job :)
Good luck!

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"Jacky Luk" <jl@knight.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks Kim.
> And I'd like to know how long it would take for the whole course (MCSE)
> and the Oracle course? are the durations fixed? Sorry, I need to quickly
> gear up myself to find a job. And I'm a bit "fall-behind" with
> technologies... Thanks in advance
> Jack
>
> "KrazE" <nospam@nospam.com>
> ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó·s»D:%23XLlU9%23cFHA.2212@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> You can decide that for yourself based on exam costs. You can go for the
>> 200 track, then add more exams to upgrade to the 2003. The XML, Java,
>> Oracle you're looking at the .NET certification and Oracle certs, with
>> both each taking 4 exams minimum and you would really need SQL knowledge
>> jumbled into that.
>> Also remember, Microsoft went to a lot of simulator exams which means you
>> _do_ need hands on experience to manage many of the questions on the
>> exams as they will put you into situational questions IE: 70-290 & 70-291
>> which has you make specific changes as though you are on the server &
>> need to edit permissions, roaming accounts etc.
>> Good luck.
>>
>> --
>> ~*Kim*~
>>
>> MCP/MCSA/MCSE
>> The Canadian DOS Prompt: EH?\>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jacky Luk" <jl@knight.com> wrote in message
>> news:uy4WHy%23cFHA.796@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> microsoft.public.cert.* only talks about exam materials,
>>> so i decided to ask in here.
>>> I saw some local ads about MCSE, that it only teaches Windows 2000. I
>>> believe that most businesses still use win2k, but is it worth to take
>>> the course if the trend is going to Windows 2003 server? and also OT,
>>> If I want to learn Java, XML, Oracle in one certification, is there such
>>> a course available?
>>> Thanks
>>> Jack
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:56:06 -0400, "KrazE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>Longer than you hope unfortunately. Being that they changed most exams to
>simulation you do need to get some hands on experience in order to be able
>to answer the questions posed during the exams. This was their way to rise
>out of all the paper based MCSE's which became an issue when companies
>demanded this requirement & hired employees without a clue.
>Unfortunately I see that every day, with one employee who infact did not
>know how to manage something as simple as changing from C: to A: in DOS AND
>had MCSE status.
>Check in your area from places that offer training. You can get training
>called "boot camp" which is a hard core learning method that practically
>crams knowledge up your butt without lube, but it does the job :)
>Good luck!

Boot Camps are meant for folks with at least some knowledge and some
operational experience. Throwing a newbie into class like that is
just a recipe for wasted money and failure.
 

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Wanting to "quickly gear up" is the problem in the first place. Won't
happen.

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"NobodyMan" <none@none.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:56:06 -0400, "KrazE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Longer than you hope unfortunately. Being that they changed most exams to
>>simulation you do need to get some hands on experience in order to be able
>>to answer the questions posed during the exams. This was their way to rise
>>out of all the paper based MCSE's which became an issue when companies
>>demanded this requirement & hired employees without a clue.
>>Unfortunately I see that every day, with one employee who infact did not
>>know how to manage something as simple as changing from C: to A: in DOS
>>AND
>>had MCSE status.
>>Check in your area from places that offer training. You can get training
>>called "boot camp" which is a hard core learning method that practically
>>crams knowledge up your butt without lube, but it does the job :)
>>Good luck!
>
> Boot Camps are meant for folks with at least some knowledge and some
> operational experience. Throwing a newbie into class like that is
> just a recipe for wasted money and failure.
>