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Displeased with Dell 2007FWP - Need Advice

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July 18, 2006 7:49:08 PM

I purchased the Dell 2007FWP revision A02 on sale for roughly $400 with tax and shipping. I need advice on picking a new widescreen LCD that fits my needs.

First, here are my problems with the Dell in order:
1) Banding
2) Brightness
3) Refresh Rate

Specs of Dell:
DVI-D, 1680x1050 @ 60hz, 16ms (black to black) and 8ms (grey to grey), 300 cdm2, 800:1 contrast ratio, and 20.1'' size.

Things I like and will possibly miss about the dell:
1) hdcp 2) picture in picture 3) ergonomics (it's gorgeous)

Concerning banding, I'm tired of it. This monitor (even the a02 model) bands, just a lot less than the A00 model, but it still bands. To me, this is unacceptable and the primary reason I am getting a refund on this monitor.

Concerning brightness, I have done everything to try to get this monitor to be easy and pleasing on my eyes. The brightness is too jacked up. By decreasing the brightness, my black levels turn to junk quickly and lose all detail. If I try to adjust contrast in the nvidia control panel, I am adding banding. Adjusting gamma hasn't seemed to help very much. Like many LCD tvs (which I have experience with), by having such a bright display (300cdm2 in this case), you can produce acceptable black levels, a more jazzy showroom display, and most important, often it allows you to artificially jack up your contrast ratio. Also, reading text is very hard on the eyes for longterm as this monitor is very, very bright. Most CRTs by comparison are 100cdm2. Cleartype hasn't helped.

I am looking for:

I am looking for a widescreen monitor with a DVI-D input, proper color scales, 8bit panel, no banding period, fash refresh rate for games (preferably higher than 60hz), possibly hdcp (but if that really limits things then it isn't necessary). I am looking for a LCD that is pleasing on the eyes and not a full lit sun sitting on your desk, basically a LCD with nice black levels that doesn't need to artificially inflate them by jacking up the backlight. I am looking for a good LCD with many properties of a fully functional CRT. proper color reproduction, no banding, fash refresh rate. This LCD will be primarily for reading text (for graduate school) and Gaming. Picture in picture is nice feature of the Dell that I wish I could get again but it isn't a deal breaker. However, I hope I can get hdcp again. Quality is king. Something this Dell lacks overall or it would never have gotten past quality control.
July 18, 2006 8:59:04 PM

NEC 20WMGX2

1600:1 contrast
6 ms response time
HDCP
Picture in Picture
Decent Ergonomics

Should not have any banding issues.
Uses a top of the line S-IPS panel which will be great for gaming and color work.
July 18, 2006 9:39:23 PM

Some idiot on newegg said that there is color banding with this monitor. This is the first I've heard of that...but would defeat the purpose of this monitor to a large degree. Assuming he is just an idiot, this monitor looks perfect. I wish I knew somewhere to do more definitive monitor research hehe.

I wish some local stores had this monitor, I didn't see it on compusa and bestbuy online. If I order this, I guess I'll get it from newegg, although I don't much like their dead pixel policy.
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July 20, 2006 12:43:03 AM

Thank you for the reply.

Currently, it seems 3 monitors keep getting recommended to me again and again:

NEC 20WMGX2
Viewsonic VX2025WM
Samsung 215TW

Hopefully, one of these three monitors will satisfy me. If anyone has any further recommendations, please let me know. My next step is to try to find these displays locally so I can see them before I possibly buy one. I also plan to do some further technical research on all three.

Issues I've had with the Dell 2007FPW that I hope to resolve by purchasing a new monitor:

Brightness - I want to see black text on a white backdrop that is pleasing and does not strain my eyes after a short period of use. I do not like the fact that I have to lower the brightness on this dell manually everytime I want to read text for any extended period of time. Also, lowering brightness kills the black levels of this display, imo.

Banding and Color Reproduction I don't want banding and I want good color reproduction.

Image Quality Pictures on this dell just don't look that good. Images are anything but crisp and dare I say they sometimes look grainy and something I've never seen before: artifacty! (I made a new word).

Gaming and Refresh Rate I am perfectly fine while gaming with this Dell. Responsiveness isn't as good as my CRT obviously but it's very close. I want a display with AT LEAST as good responsiveness as this Dell. Anything less will be too slow, especially in FPS.

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Hopefully, my above post is a bit more concise than my first post. Upon doing further research I will post questions and my results of my purchase decision here.

Thank you for your help.
July 28, 2006 9:08:10 PM

Check the office stores. I have been in the process of looking for an LCD and was trying to differentiate between the same models. The NEC is too expensive and doesn't seem THAT much better than the Samsung or the Viewsonic.
Office Depot was the only store I could find that had the two units on display. Side by side I liked the 215TW better but its also almost $200 more.
Look at the THG reviews for both. I ended up not buying anything right now. THG says the 215 gets a B for overshoot, is overly bright and doesn't do video all that well.
THG says the Viewsonic gets a C for overshoot and is a bit bright. It lacks any advance connections for video products though.

Personally, I think I'm sticking with the 'ol 19" Hitachi until someone comes out with a balanced, but fast widescreen that won't cost an arm and a leg. Think the Veiwsonic VP930b/VP2030b with better connections.
July 29, 2006 12:05:13 AM

Quote:
"... I wish some local stores had this monitor, I didn't see it on compusa and bestbuy online. If I order this, I guess I'll get it from newegg, although I don't much like their dead pixel policy.


You might try a B&M Best Buy.... I've seen them there.
August 12, 2006 3:39:07 AM

I know what your talking about...had an A00 & got a free replacement through CHRIS M on the dell forums. Dell states that the problem is with a faroudja scaler chip, which is disabled in Desktop mode. Try using desktop mode ONLY, as the scaler is enabled in the other two modes.

However, I believe the problem is a manufacturing problem, as the ones from China [yes even the A02's] still have banding. I was lucky and got one from Mexico w/ the new LG panel. An improvement in every way I must say, not just with the banding. You can tell where its made by the first 2 letters of the serial number. MX=Mexico, CN=China.

When you get a properly functioning monitor, it can't be beat, especially for the price. I would keep complaining until I got an A02 from Mexico...if you're willing to go that far. Actually, I think most of them are now shipped from Mexico.
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