Zire 72 rotate screen

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KM <mankoff@yahoo.com> wrote in newsine.OSX.4.61.0408312016580.595
@gouda.local:

>
> Does anyone know of a utility to rotate the Zire 72 screen by 180
> degrees? I can find hacks to rotate OS4 screens, but nothing for OS5.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -k.
>
>

I would like to know why you would want to do this.

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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 02:30:33 GMT, Marc L. wrote:

> I would like to know why you would want to do this.

Possibly to make one-handed reading of ebooks a tad easier?

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guy@ether.net (Guy Bannis) wrote in
news:guy-0609042206350001@192.168.1.103:

>> > Does anyone know of a utility to rotate the Zire 72 screen by
>> > 180 degrees? I can find hacks to rotate OS4 screens, but
>> > nothing for OS5.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > -k.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I would like to know why you would want to do this.
>
> Especially since the screen is square ...
>
>

HE said 180, no 90. The squareness of the screen seems to bare
no relevance.

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BillB <rainbose@earthlink.newt> wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:10:13 GMT, Marc L. wrote:
>
>> How does rotating the screen 180 degrees accomplish this?
>
> If the screen is rotated 90%, the PDA must be rotated 90%, which
> places navigation controls and the body of the PDA itself in a
> different position relative to hand. You experiment to find which
> orientation makes navigation easier or makes holding the PDA in one
> hand for extended periods more comfortable. Different people have
> different preferences, but if you can't rotate the screen you have
> to either accept the only orientation available, or have the kind of
> contortable hands and fingers only available to those people related
> to Plastic Man.

Or a PDA where the screen rotates separately from the PDA, like the Clie UX
series.

--
*Art

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BillB <rainbose@earthlink.newt> wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:55:34 -0400, Arthur Hagen wrote:
>
>> Or a PDA where the screen rotates separately from the PDA,
>> like the Clie UX series.
>
> Good point. Do their other features make them more suitable as
> ebook readers? For instance, longer battery life like the TH55?

The UX series can be attached to an EB40, external battery, which prolongs
the battery life from around 4-5 hours of reading to 8-12 hours.

The UX series, like the TH55, has a variable speed CPU (8-123MHz), so ebook
reading doesn't take up all that much battery, at least not with the
brightness turned down. Use WiFi on the UX50, though, and the battery is
gone in an hour or two.

The UX series is pretty good for reading books, with 480x320 resolution,
very smooth scrolling, and a built-in 30MB pseudo-card that's ideal for
holding books. The only big minuses are that at night, the screen is a tad
too bright even at the lowest brightness setting and with a dark filter in
place, and that there's always a white 2 pixel border around the screen.

Regards,
--
*Art

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On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Marc L. wrote:
> KM wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know of a utility to rotate the Zire 72 screen by 180
>> degrees? I can find hacks to rotate OS4 screens, but nothing for
>> OS5.
>>
>
> I would like to know why you would want to do this.
>

Short version: for my IR keyboard

Long version: I have an IR keyboard (Belkin). The OS 4 version of the
driver supports screen rotates of 90, 180, and 270. So you put the
Palm down facing you, rotate the screen 180 degrees, and type away,
able to read what you write, use the interface and everything.

It could do this because OS 4 supported hacks, and if the driver
didn't do it, there was always FlipHack.

The OS 5 version disables this, but I need it enabled, or I need to
travel with a small mirror + stand in addition.

But I have been researching this for a few days. There is good news as
it turns out that OS 5 _does_ support hacks, even though everyone
thinks they don't. Thats because hack support is new. Check out YAHM
if you want to run hacks on OS 5. Right now only about 5 or so exist,
but I'm going to port FlipHack to OS 5, and by the time I am done with
that I am sure there will be a bunch more.

-k.

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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:51:48 GMT, Marc L. wrote:

> Huh? Could you start over please? The OP asked how to rotate the
> _screen_ 180 degrees.

If you read a little more carefully you'll see that I didn't reply
to the OP. I answered your question as to why anyone might want to
rotate the screen. You didn't ask why the OP needed to rotate the
screen 180 degrees, just why anyone might want to do so. I gave one
reason, and it may not be one you'd choose, but it is still a valid
one. Someone might want to rotate the screen to allow them to
rotate the PDA (by the same or a different amount) which could place
the PDA in a more comfortable holding position, or in a more "easy
to navigate" position.

And if you think about it, 180 degree rotation (not just 90
degrees) can be useful for certain ways of holding Palms, so that
with fingers curled over the bottom (now the top), fingertips could
be used to navigate without any parts of the hand obscuring the
screen. It seems that you'd profit from rotating your thinking 180
degrees to allow other points of view to be seen.

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KM <mankoff@yahoo.com> wrote in
newsine.OSX.4.61.0409071914060.406@gouda.local:

> Long version: I have an IR keyboard (Belkin). The OS 4 version of
> the driver supports screen rotates of 90, 180, and 270. So you put
> the Palm down facing you, rotate the screen 180 degrees, and type
> away, able to read what you write, use the interface and
> everything.
>
>

Ah! Thank you.

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BillB <rainbose@earthlink.newt> wrote in
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> True, but in our fine English language, asking someone "why you
> would want to do this." in most cases, and certainly in yours,
> implies that it's a foolish thing to do, that you can see no good


No it does NOT imply that at all. Sheesh. Now you will claim you
can read my mind.

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On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Guy Bannis wrote:
>
> KM wrote:
>
>> Long version: I have an IR keyboard (Belkin). The OS 4 version of
>> the driver supports screen rotates of 90, 180, and 270. So you put
>> the Palm down facing you, rotate the screen 180 degrees, and type
>> away, able to read what you write, use the interface and
>> everything.
>
> This is one clumsy design for an IR keyboard.
>
> Is it an older model? The current wireless PDA keyboard from Belkin
> lets you stand the device up, as you would normally use it.

Its about 8 months old. I hate that cheap plastic prop with the cheap
reflective thing so it stands up. The above is not clumsy for me, but
highly efficient, simple, and means I have less to carry. The stand
toppled unless it was on a big flat surface, was too big for airplane
trays, etc.

-k.

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In article <Pine.OSX.4.61.0409072232260.941@gouda.local>, KM
<mankoff@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Guy Bannis wrote:
> >
> > KM wrote:
> >
> >> Long version: I have an IR keyboard (Belkin). The OS 4 version of
> >> the driver supports screen rotates of 90, 180, and 270. So you put
> >> the Palm down facing you, rotate the screen 180 degrees, and type
> >> away, able to read what you write, use the interface and
> >> everything.
> >
> > This is one clumsy design for an IR keyboard.
> >
> > Is it an older model? The current wireless PDA keyboard from Belkin
> > lets you stand the device up, as you would normally use it.
>
> Its about 8 months old. I hate that cheap plastic prop with the cheap
> reflective thing so it stands up. The above is not clumsy for me, but
> highly efficient, simple, and means I have less to carry. The stand
> toppled unless it was on a big flat surface, was too big for airplane
> trays, etc.

OK. So you're using the keyboard in a different way from that intended by
Belkin.

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In article <Pine.OSX.4.61.0409081938550.1298@gouda.local>, KM
<mankoff@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Guy Bannis wrote:
> > KM wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Guy Bannis wrote:
> >>>
> >>> KM wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Long version: I have an IR keyboard (Belkin). The OS 4 version of
> >>>> the driver supports screen rotates of 90, 180, and 270. So you
> >>>> put the Palm down facing you, rotate the screen 180 degrees, and
> >>>> type away, able to read what you write, use the interface and
> >>>> everything.
> >>>
> >>> This is one clumsy design for an IR keyboard.
> >>>
> >>> Is it an older model? The current wireless PDA keyboard from Belkin
> >>> lets you stand the device up, as you would normally use it.
> >>
> >> Its about 8 months old. I hate that cheap plastic prop with the
> >> cheap reflective thing so it stands up. The above is not clumsy for
> >> me, but highly efficient, simple, and means I have less to carry.
> >> The stand toppled unless it was on a big flat surface, was too big
> >> for airplane trays, etc.
> >
> > OK. So you're using the keyboard in a different way from that
> > intended by Belkin.
>
> Take your pick:
>
> a) Yes. But I am curious why you are stating this obvious fact.

Obvious? Your post read like one had to read the Palm upside down in order
to use the keyboard. Turned out, that's how you want to use the keyboard
and Palm.

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On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 davidb@nomorespam.net wrote:
>
> Now that the smoke and flames have cleared, is there a utility for
> screen rotation for OS5 like the OP requested?
>
> I have a use for one as well ...
>

Please contact me off-list.

-k.