Engineering the Human Personality

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Assume a future where many different stellar systems are being
colonised by slower than light vessels, many of them containing
dissident religious and political groups. Most of them use genetic
engineering to adjust the human form for local conditions, and to
better fit the society they are creating. Suppose you were such a
genetic engineer. What personality trait would you try to instill?
 
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David Johnston wrote:
> Assume a future where many different stellar systems are being
> colonised by slower than light vessels, many of them containing
> dissident religious and political groups. Most of them use genetic
> engineering to adjust the human form for local conditions, and to
> better fit the society they are creating. Suppose you were such a
> genetic engineer. What personality trait would you try to instill?

Making Hidebound a taboo trait. Or whatever Hideobund is
called in 4E.

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Peter Knutsen wrote:
> David Johnston wrote:
> > Assume a future where many different stellar systems are being
> > colonised by slower than light vessels, many of them containing
> > dissident religious and political groups. Most of them use genetic
> > engineering to adjust the human form for local conditions, and to
> > better fit the society they are creating. Suppose you were such a
> > genetic engineer. What personality trait would you try to instill?

>
> Making Hidebound a taboo trait. Or whatever Hideobund is
> called in 4E.


I was thinking the same thing. ;-)

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David Johnston schrieb:
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>What personality trait would you try to instill?

Common Sense and Strong Will.

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In article <4212851a.41201118@news.telusplanet.net>,
David Johnston <rgorman@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>Assume a future where many different stellar systems are being
>colonised by slower than light vessels, many of them containing
>dissident religious and political groups. Most of them use genetic
>engineering to adjust the human form for local conditions, and to
>better fit the society they are creating. Suppose you were such a
>genetic engineer. What personality trait would you try to instill?

Am I a sane genetic engineer or do I work for the dissidents?

If I were sane I would not touch the personality traits at all!
giving a whole sociaty the same traits could seriously
warp it perhaps beyond viability.

For example Ingo suggested "Common Sense and Strong Will" good choices
just the sort of thing to get you through those early years of colony
building.

But if everyone has Common Sense where are the dreamers going to come from?
For artists, scientists and inventors 'Common Sense' is the last thing
sociaty needs them to have.

If everyone has Strong Will its going to negotiation and compromise
between factions much harder perhaps leading to fragmentation and
conflict.

Perhaps it would all work out fine I don't think I could take the
risk, physical alterations are easy to test and debug, psychological
ones can work fine in isolation its hard to predict how they would
work on a large scale over hundreds of years.


Now....


If I'm working for the dissidents, I'd go for Fanaticism and a bit of
Weak Will or perhaps mild Gullibility, we want them to keep Believing the Creed
don't we??
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"David Johnston" <rgorman@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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> Assume a future where many different stellar systems are being
> colonised by slower than light vessels, many of them containing
> dissident religious and political groups. Most of them use genetic
> engineering to adjust the human form for local conditions, and to
> better fit the society they are creating. Suppose you were such a
> genetic engineer. What personality trait would you try to instill?

+4 IQ.
 
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:32:12 +0000 (UTC), mlush@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Mr.
M.J. Lush) wrote:

>In article <4212851a.41201118@news.telusplanet.net>,
>David Johnston <rgorman@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>>Assume a future where many different stellar systems are being
>>colonised by slower than light vessels, many of them containing
>>dissident religious and political groups. Most of them use genetic
>>engineering to adjust the human form for local conditions, and to
>>better fit the society they are creating. Suppose you were such a
>>genetic engineer. What personality trait would you try to instill?
>
>Am I a sane genetic engineer or do I work for the dissidents?

You can be any kind of genetic engineer you can imagine, provided that
he or she is unable to entirely resist playing god to some extent.

>
>If I were sane I would not touch the personality traits at all!
>giving a whole sociaty the same traits could seriously
>warp it perhaps beyond viability.

Well, you won't be giving the _whole_ society the same traits as such.
They'll still be intelligent organic beings mostly reproducing
sexually and the traits you try to encourage will be modified by
random variation, learned behaviour and developmental influence. You
can shift the bell curve but you can't fix everyone at a given point
on it. But you will be making a given trait more common. Thus there
would be no "taboo traits" as such but you could reduce the number of
people who are Hidebound to a tiny minority by making the average
person more imaginative. Of course you'd probably be increasing the
number of Absent-Minded people.

>
>For example Ingo suggested "Common Sense and Strong Will" good choices
>just the sort of thing to get you through those early years of colony
>building.
>
>But if everyone has Common Sense where are the dreamers going to come from?
>For artists, scientists and inventors 'Common Sense' is the last thing
>sociaty needs them to have.
>
>If everyone has Strong Will its going to negotiation and compromise
>between factions much harder perhaps leading to fragmentation and
>conflict.
>
>Perhaps it would all work out fine I don't think I could take the
>risk, physical alterations are easy to test and debug, psychological
>ones can work fine in isolation its hard to predict how they would
>work on a large scale over hundreds of years.
>
>
>Now....
>
>
>If I'm working for the dissidents, I'd go for Fanaticism and a bit of
>Weak Will or perhaps mild Gullibility, we want them to keep Believing the Creed
>don't we??

Interesting. You'd end up with the typical personality type being a
fervent but brittle believer, prone to sudden, wild enthusiasm for
newly encountered doctrines.
 
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"David Johnston" <rgorman@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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> Assume a future where many different stellar systems are being
> colonised by slower than light vessels, many of them containing
> dissident religious and political groups. Most of them use genetic
> engineering to adjust the human form for local conditions, and to
> better fit the society they are creating. Suppose you were such a
> genetic engineer. What personality trait would you try to instill?

Simple. Engineer depression out of the human system. People will no longer
have "funks", productivity will be through the roof, crime will probably be
down, etc. In a few generations, when the normal humans who later invented
FTL arrive, the whole place will be so happy that the "normals" will be
grinding their teeth in annoyance just a few days after they arrive. If
they're stuck there, maybe they won't be able to cope and will commit
suicide, leaving the "natives" with a real mystery....
 
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 06:00:42 GMT, rgorman@telusplanet.net (David
Johnston) wrote:

>Assume a future where many different stellar systems are being
>colonised by slower than light vessels, many of them containing
>dissident religious and political groups. Most of them use genetic
>engineering to adjust the human form for local conditions, and to
>better fit the society they are creating. Suppose you were such a
>genetic engineer. What personality trait would you try to instill?

Let me see...

- Some connection to the learning brain centers and the pleasure
centers, so that they'll be able to get shooled MUCH easier.

- At least for the travel part, if they all travel "awake", a reduced
instinct for aggressivity.

Korin Duval

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"Truth requires a great amount of courage;
Fiction requires a great amount of maturity."
 
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In article <4213621f.97789903@news.telusplanet.net>,
David Johnston <rgorman@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:32:12 +0000 (UTC), mlush@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Mr.
>M.J. Lush) wrote:
>>>
>>Now....
>>
>>
>>If I'm working for the dissidents, I'd go for Fanaticism and a bit of
>>Weak Will or perhaps mild Gullibility, we want them to keep Believing
>>the Creed don't we??
>
>Interesting. You'd end up with the typical personality type being a
>fervent but brittle believer, prone to sudden, wild enthusiasm for
>newly encountered doctrines.

your right Fanaticism mild Gullibility and Strong Will would be a
better bet

Anyway....

Our Beliefs are so preminnetly True that so long as we correctly expose
them to the True Faith (we can replace 100 tons of farm equipment with
durasheet leaflets). Any newly encountered doctrines will be instantly
discounted as the Lies That They Truely Are. (incidently the traits would
be called Fervency and Faith in the focus meetings)



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rgorman@telusplanet.net (David Johnston) abagooba zoink larblortch
news:4212851a.41201118@news.telusplanet.net:

> Assume a future where many different stellar systems are being
> colonised by slower than light vessels, many of them containing
> dissident religious and political groups. Most of them use genetic
> engineering to adjust the human form for local conditions, and to
> better fit the society they are creating. Suppose you were such a
> genetic engineer. What personality trait would you try to instill?

Innate hostility towards any and all attempts to regulate society "for our
own good".
 
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Bryan J. Maloney wrote:
> rgorman@telusplanet.net (David Johnston) abagooba zoink larblortch
> news:4212851a.41201118@news.telusplanet.net:
>
>
>>Assume a future where many different stellar systems are being
>>colonised by slower than light vessels, many of them containing
>>dissident religious and political groups. Most of them use genetic
>>engineering to adjust the human form for local conditions, and to
>>better fit the society they are creating. Suppose you were such a
>>genetic engineer. What personality trait would you try to instill?
>
>
> Innate hostility towards any and all attempts to regulate society "for our
> own good".
Even your own?
Ken
 
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rgorman@telusplanet.net (David Johnston) writes:

>>If I'm working for the dissidents, I'd go for Fanaticism and a bit of
>>Weak Will or perhaps mild Gullibility, we want them to keep Believing the Creed
>>don't we??

>Interesting. You'd end up with the typical personality type being a
>fervent but brittle believer, prone to sudden, wild enthusiasm for
>newly encountered doctrines.

The people from Lang's _Metropolis_, or Electric Monks.

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:01:47 -0600, "Bryan J. Maloney"
<cavaggione@comcast.ten> wrote:

>rgorman@telusplanet.net (David Johnston) abagooba zoink larblortch
>news:4212851a.41201118@news.telusplanet.net:
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>> Assume a future where many different stellar systems are being
>> colonised by slower than light vessels, many of them containing
>> dissident religious and political groups. Most of them use genetic
>> engineering to adjust the human form for local conditions, and to
>> better fit the society they are creating. Suppose you were such a
>> genetic engineer. What personality trait would you try to instill?
>
>Innate hostility towards any and all attempts to regulate society "for our
>own good".

Hm. Tricky. You'd have to make children more self sufficient since
they'd run away from home or be abandoned as soon as they could walk.