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Anonymous
June 29, 2005 3:48:02 PM

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How do I find the DOS file name of one of my files? In Win98, I could find
this in the file properties box.
Anonymous
June 29, 2005 4:17:04 PM

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use the find command

FIND [/V] [/C] [/N] [/I] "string" [[drive:][path]filename[ ...]]

/V Displays all lines NOT containing the specified string.
/C Displays only the count of lines containing the string.
/N Displays line numbers with the displayed lines.
/I Ignores the case of characters when searching for the string.
"string" Specifies the text string to find.
[drive:][path]filename Specifies a file or files to search

For example

find "hope" *.txt

This would search for any text file (.txt) that contains the text hope in
the current directory.

"mevian" wrote:

> How do I find the DOS file name of one of my files? In Win98, I could find
> this in the file properties box.
Anonymous
June 29, 2005 4:31:05 PM

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Thanks for your quick response! But I guess I didn't make myself clear.

I know the "long" file name, I even know where it is. It's a txt file in a
folder in My Documents. But I need to use its DOS path\name to tell a DOS
program to use it.

In Win98, the file properties box used to give me the DOS path. But that
item is not there in WinXP.

I guess I could give the file an 8-char name and put it in the root directory.

"WarOfGenesis" wrote:

> use the find command
>
> FIND [/V] [/C] [/N] [/I] "string" [[drive:][path]filename[ ...]]
>
> /V Displays all lines NOT containing the specified string.
> /C Displays only the count of lines containing the string.
> /N Displays line numbers with the displayed lines.
> /I Ignores the case of characters when searching for the string.
> "string" Specifies the text string to find.
> [drive:][path]filename Specifies a file or files to search
>
> For example
>
> find "hope" *.txt
>
> This would search for any text file (.txt) that contains the text hope in
> the current directory.
>
> "mevian" wrote:
>
> > How do I find the DOS file name of one of my files? In Win98, I could find
> > this in the file properties box.
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Anonymous
June 29, 2005 4:49:10 PM

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umm, then again you can use windows search and in the are called
"all or part of the file name" type in

*.* (file extenson) for e.g. *.* txt

this a wild card this will bring all the text files, if know the path just
look in that folder

"mevian" wrote:

> Thanks for your quick response! But I guess I didn't make myself clear.
>
> I know the "long" file name, I even know where it is. It's a txt file in a
> folder in My Documents. But I need to use its DOS path\name to tell a DOS
> program to use it.
>
> In Win98, the file properties box used to give me the DOS path. But that
> item is not there in WinXP.
>
> I guess I could give the file an 8-char name and put it in the root directory.
>
> "WarOfGenesis" wrote:
>
> > use the find command
> >
> > FIND [/V] [/C] [/N] [/I] "string" [[drive:][path]filename[ ...]]
> >
> > /V Displays all lines NOT containing the specified string.
> > /C Displays only the count of lines containing the string.
> > /N Displays line numbers with the displayed lines.
> > /I Ignores the case of characters when searching for the string.
> > "string" Specifies the text string to find.
> > [drive:][path]filename Specifies a file or files to search
> >
> > For example
> >
> > find "hope" *.txt
> >
> > This would search for any text file (.txt) that contains the text hope in
> > the current directory.
> >
> > "mevian" wrote:
> >
> > > How do I find the DOS file name of one of my files? In Win98, I could find
> > > this in the file properties box.
Anonymous
June 29, 2005 7:42:56 PM

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Entering Dir /? at the command prompt results in a listing that includes
the explaination for the /X switch output. I suggest

dir *.* /X



mevian wrote:

> Thanks for your quick response! But I guess I didn't make myself clear.
>
> I know the "long" file name, I even know where it is. It's a txt file in a
> folder in My Documents. But I need to use its DOS path\name to tell a DOS
> program to use it.
>
> In Win98, the file properties box used to give me the DOS path. But that
> item is not there in WinXP.
>
> I guess I could give the file an 8-char name and put it in the root directory.
>
> "WarOfGenesis" wrote:
>
>
>>use the find command
>>
>>FIND [/V] [/C] [/N] [/I] "string" [[drive:][path]filename[ ...]]
>>
>>/V Displays all lines NOT containing the specified string.
>>/C Displays only the count of lines containing the string.
>>/N Displays line numbers with the displayed lines.
>>/I Ignores the case of characters when searching for the string.
>>"string" Specifies the text string to find.
>>[drive:][path]filename Specifies a file or files to search
>>
>>For example
>>
>>find "hope" *.txt
>>
>>This would search for any text file (.txt) that contains the text hope in
>>the current directory.
>>
>>"mevian" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>How do I find the DOS file name of one of my files? In Win98, I could find
>>>this in the file properties box.
Anonymous
June 29, 2005 11:08:08 PM

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thiswasmyquestion.jpg = thiswa~1~.jpg

The first 6 characters + tilde (~) plus 1 (if there is more that one file
with the same first 6 characters - then 2 etc) plus the file extension

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You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"mevian" <mevian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> How do I find the DOS file name of one of my files? In Win98, I could
> find
> this in the file properties box.
Anonymous
June 29, 2005 11:08:09 PM

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Right. But since files in "My Documents" are quite a few levels down in the
directory tree (especially since I use folders and sometimes sub-folders
within My Docs), that means a lot of counting of letters to recreate the full
pathname in short form. I was hoping there was a place in WinXP where I
could just cut&paste the full short name, like there is in Win98. I guess
not.
Anonymous
June 29, 2005 11:48:47 PM

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Correction!

thiswasmyquestion.jpg = thiswa~1.jpg


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"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> thiswasmyquestion.jpg = thiswa~1~.jpg
>
> The first 6 characters + tilde (~) plus 1 (if there is more that one file
> with the same first 6 characters - then 2 etc) plus the file extension
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
>
> If you knew as much as you thought you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
> "mevian" <mevian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7F3C36A7-646E-407D-AD82-2521F88FD84D@microsoft.com...
>> How do I find the DOS file name of one of my files? In Win98, I could
>> find
>> this in the file properties box.
>
>
Anonymous
June 30, 2005 2:09:39 AM

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"mevian" <mevian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> How do I find the DOS file name of one of my files? In Win98, I could
> find
> this in the file properties box.

How about openining a DOS window? Navigate to the directory with the file in
it, and get a directory listing. /p will show a page of files at a time.
Anonymous
June 30, 2005 7:01:11 PM

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dir /x

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"mevian" <mevian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> How do I find the DOS file name of one of my files? In Win98, I could
find
> this in the file properties box.
Anonymous
June 30, 2005 7:20:08 PM

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Nice. Thanks David.

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"David Candy" <.> wrote in message
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Place attached file into the sendto folder.


On Error Resume Next
Set Sh = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
Set Ag=Wscript.Arguments
Set file = fso.GetFile(Ag(0))
If Err.Number=53 then
Err.Clear
Set file = fso.GetFolder(Ag(0))
End If
A=InputBox(File.name & vbcrlf & "short file name is", "Show Short Filename",
file.shortname)
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"mevian" <mevian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7F3C36A7-646E-407D-AD82-2521F88FD84D@microsoft.com...
> How do I find the DOS file name of one of my files? In Win98, I could
find
> this in the file properties box.
Anonymous
June 30, 2005 11:34:50 PM

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I like that one even better. Sometimes I have to reduce the length of my
environment variables and 8.3 file names helps with that.

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"David Candy" <.> wrote in message
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This is short path rather than name.

On Error Resume Next
Set Sh = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
Set Ag=Wscript.Arguments
Set file = fso.GetFile(Ag(0))
If Err.Number=53 then
Err.Clear
Set file = fso.GetFolder(Ag(0))
End If
A=InputBox(File.name & vbcrlf & "short file path and name is", "Show Short
Path", file.shortpath)
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"George Hester" <hesterloli@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Nice. Thanks David.
>
> --
> George Hester
> _______________________________
> "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
> news:#c4a5zRfFHA.2384@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Place attached file into the sendto folder.
>
>
> On Error Resume Next
> Set Sh = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
> Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
> Set Ag=Wscript.Arguments
> Set file = fso.GetFile(Ag(0))
> If Err.Number=53 then
> Err.Clear
> Set file = fso.GetFolder(Ag(0))
> End If
> A=InputBox(File.name & vbcrlf & "short file name is", "Show Short
Filename",
> file.shortname)
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> ----------------------
> http://webdiary.smh.com.au/archives/_comment/001075.htm...
> =================================================
> "mevian" <mevian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7F3C36A7-646E-407D-AD82-2521F88FD84D@microsoft.com...
>> How do I find the DOS file name of one of my files? In Win98, I could
> find
>> this in the file properties box.
>
Anonymous
July 1, 2005 11:11:01 PM

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Thanks for the suggestion. So, there's nothing I can do within the XP
environment, without a VB script or sorting through a DOS directory listing?
This may be the first instance where I've actually missed something about Win
98. ;-)
Anonymous
July 2, 2005 2:46:46 AM

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Windows XP has migrated well past "short filenames". That was a restriction
with fat16 file systems - NOT a benefit!

Because Windows 98 was built on top of DOS (could use either fat16 or fat32)
it is only natural that there was a built in capability to use short
filenames (the 8.3 nomenclature) easily. There is no DOS in windows XP and
therefore there is no need for short filenames.

--
Regards,

Richard Urban

If you knew as much as you thought you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"mevian" <mevian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the suggestion. So, there's nothing I can do within the XP
> environment, without a VB script or sorting through a DOS directory
> listing?
> This may be the first instance where I've actually missed something about
> Win
> 98. ;-)
>
Anonymous
July 2, 2005 2:59:03 AM

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Richard Urban wrote:
>
> Because Windows 98 was built on top of DOS (could use either fat16 or fat32)
> it is only natural that there was a built in capability to use short
> filenames (the 8.3 nomenclature) easily. There is no DOS in windows XP and
> therefore there is no need for short filenames.

Win3X was just another app that ran in dos 6.X

Win9X isn't built on dos, dos is just used to start the system, much
like the starter in your car. Win9x is it's own OS.






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Anonymous
July 2, 2005 3:53:50 AM

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On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:46:46 -0400, "Richard Urban"
<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Windows XP has migrated well past "short filenames". That was a restriction
>with fat16 file systems - NOT a benefit!
>
>Because Windows 98 was built on top of DOS (could use either fat16 or fat32)
>it is only natural that there was a built in capability to use short
>filenames (the 8.3 nomenclature) easily. There is no DOS in windows XP and
>therefore there is no need for short filenames.

Normally there is no need for them. However...

It's still one of the reasons that doing a straight copy of a system
partition can fail. While the kernel/drivers are loading they often
refers to shortened file names (SFNs). They're all over the registry.

When someone does a copy or xcopy of the system partition, the SFNs
are recreated on the fly. The new ones, of course, often don't match
the older registry entries.

This is why programs like Dos32/Backmagic were created. They copy
everything with the SFNs intact. The only logistic problem that may
have induced MS NOT to keep them intact is that you'd have two
possible types of name collisions when copying files into a non-empty
folder: a dupe'd LFN which you're prompted for (overwrite/cancel) or a
dupe'd SFN which would have baffled grandma.

---

To the OP: As mentioned, 'Dir /x' does it via command line, but I
believe the only way to display them in a normal folder window would
be to write a 'Shell Extension.' This is done often when programmers
need a column that shows specifics about a file (like the MP3 stats
you can choose by R-clicking the header on a Details display).
Unfortunately, I don't remember seeing one that was designed for SFNs.
It's a good idea, and it could be done. Search CodeProject for key
"Shell Extensions" if you have some programming chops and patience.
Anonymous
July 2, 2005 5:08:49 AM

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I think you will find many here who will disagree with you (-:



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Richard Urban

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You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"Plato" <|@|.|> wrote in message
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> Richard Urban wrote:
>>
>> Because Windows 98 was built on top of DOS (could use either fat16 or
>> fat32)
>> it is only natural that there was a built in capability to use short
>> filenames (the 8.3 nomenclature) easily. There is no DOS in windows XP
>> and
>> therefore there is no need for short filenames.
>
> Win3X was just another app that ran in dos 6.X
>
> Win9X isn't built on dos, dos is just used to start the system, much
> like the starter in your car. Win9x is it's own OS.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
Anonymous
July 2, 2005 5:08:50 AM

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Richard Urban wrote:
>
> I think you will find many here who will disagree with you (-:

Perhaps, but it's not worth too much arguing, either way, in any case.
Old hat really :) 
Anonymous
July 2, 2005 3:13:14 PM

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The other way is using command.exe. Start | Run | command | OK. But no not
in the File Properties in Windows Explorer.

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"mevian" <mevian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the suggestion. So, there's nothing I can do within the XP
> environment, without a VB script or sorting through a DOS directory
listing?
> This may be the first instance where I've actually missed something about
Win
> 98. ;-)
>
Anonymous
July 2, 2005 3:15:04 PM

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Not true. There is a reason for 8.3 file names. I stated it earlier. To
keep Environment Settings to a minimum length. Although there is no DOS in
Windows XP there is still a DOS limit on the length of environment
variables.

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"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Windows XP has migrated well past "short filenames". That was a
restriction
> with fat16 file systems - NOT a benefit!
>
> Because Windows 98 was built on top of DOS (could use either fat16 or
fat32)
> it is only natural that there was a built in capability to use short
> filenames (the 8.3 nomenclature) easily. There is no DOS in windows XP and
> therefore there is no need for short filenames.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
>
> If you knew as much as you thought you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
> "mevian" <mevian@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:815B3348-E0A9-41E1-AE31-BB188353D696@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks for the suggestion. So, there's nothing I can do within the XP
> > environment, without a VB script or sorting through a DOS directory
> > listing?
> > This may be the first instance where I've actually missed something
about
> > Win
> > 98. ;-)
> >
>
>
Anonymous
July 3, 2005 8:06:21 PM

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From his spyware and virus infected Windoze box, George Hester had this to
say:

> Not true. There is a reason for 8.3 file names. I stated it earlier. To
> keep Environment Settings to a minimum length. Although there is no DOS
> in Windows XP there is still a DOS limit on the length of environment
> variables.
>
And why would that be? If XP doesn't run on DOS or continue to have any DOS
code within its source, why would it continue to carry this old baggage?
How do the developers of XP explain this one and for what purpose would
they retain this type of DOS restrictions on environmental settings?


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Anonymous
July 4, 2005 6:50:29 AM

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I think it's a function of the IBM; the PC. I don't rightly know but the
limit is there nonetheless. You can see it in COMPSPEC. It has a switch to
increase the size. Trouble is when you do that nmake no longer works.

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"NoStop" <nostop@stopspam.com> wrote in message
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> From his spyware and virus infected Windoze box, George Hester had this to
> say:
>
> > Not true. There is a reason for 8.3 file names. I stated it earlier.
To
> > keep Environment Settings to a minimum length. Although there is no DOS
> > in Windows XP there is still a DOS limit on the length of environment
> > variables.
> >
> And why would that be? If XP doesn't run on DOS or continue to have any
DOS
> code within its source, why would it continue to carry this old baggage?
> How do the developers of XP explain this one and for what purpose would
> they retain this type of DOS restrictions on environmental settings?
>
>
> > --
> > George Hester
>
>
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Anonymous
July 4, 2005 8:24:31 AM

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From his spyware and virus infected Windoze box, Richard Urban had this to
say:

> Windows XP has migrated well past "short filenames". That was a
> restriction with fat16 file systems - NOT a benefit!
>
> Because Windows 98 was built on top of DOS (could use either fat16 or
> fat32) it is only natural that there was a built in capability to use
> short filenames (the 8.3 nomenclature) easily. There is no DOS in windows
> XP and therefore there is no need for short filenames.
>
Hi Richard,

Remember when it was reported that some of the source code from W2K had made
its way to the Net? Anyways, I happened to come across some of the source
code which I'll attach below. Since XP has some of its roots in W2K, it's
possible that this source code remains in XP. :-)

W2K Source Code:

#v+
/* Source Code Windows */

#include "win31.h"
#include "win95.h"
#include "win98.h"
#include "workst~1.h"
#include "evenmore.h"
#include "oldstuff.h"
#include "billrulz.h"
#include "monopoly.h"
#include "backdoor.h"
#define INSTALL = HARD

char make_prog_look_big(16000000);
void main()
{
while(!CRASHED)
{
display_copyright_message();
display_bill_rules_message();
do_nothing_loop();

if (first_time_installation)
{
make_100_megabyte_swapfile();
do_nothing_loop();
totally_screw_up_HPFS_file_system();
search_and_destroy_the_rest_of-OS2();
make_futile_attempt_to_damage_Linux();
disable_Netscape();
disable_RealPlayer();
disable_Lotus_Products();
hang_system();
} //if
write_something(anything);
display_copyright_message();
do_nothing_loop();
do_some_stuff();

if (still_not_crashed)
{
display_copyright_message();
do_nothing_loop();
basically_run_windows_31();
do_nothing_loop();
} // if
} //while

if (detect_cache())
disable_cache();

if (fast_cpu())
{
set_wait_states(lots);
set_mouse(speed,very_slow);
set_mouse(action,jumpy);
set_mouse(reaction,sometimes);
} //if

/* printf("Welcome to Windows 3.1"); */
/* printf("Welcome to Windows 3.11"); */
/* printf("Welcome to Windows 95"); */
/* printf("Welcome to Windows NT 3.0"); */
/* printf("Welcome to Windows 98"); */
/* printf("Welcome to Windows NT 4.0"); */
printf("Welcome to Windows 2000");

if (system_ok())
crash(to_dos_prompt)
else
system_memory = open("a:\swp0001.swp",O_CREATE);

while(something)
{
sleep(5);
get_user_input();
sleep(5);
act_on_user_input();
sleep(5);
} // while
create_general_protection_fault();

} // main
#v-



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