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November 18, 2006 9:57:15 AM

Brothers,

Looking to buy a 19" LCD panel during the first week of December. My requirements

Gaming / Movies
8 Bit Panel
Good contrast / brightness
DVI
Newer PVA panel
Wide Screen optional

Which montor to choose? I have been reading good things about the Samsung 931C, and Philips also. How does the Viewsonic VX 922 fit in? Thoroughly confused, will really appreciate if someone can give me links to any recent reviews / shootouts.

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November 18, 2006 11:01:06 AM

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Brothers,

Looking to buy a 19" LCD panel during the first week of December. My requirements

Gaming / Movies
8 Bit Panel
Good contrast / brightness
DVI
Newer PVA panel
Wide Screen optional

Which montor to choose? I have been reading good things about the Samsung 931C, and Philips also. How does the Viewsonic VX 922 fit in? Thoroughly confused, will really appreciate if someone can give me links to any recent reviews / shootouts.


Ahhhh..... you "want it all" in a 19" monitor. We all do, but can't have it... doesn't exist.

Your two have TN panels.... The VX922 is liked by gamers, the 931C is still very new.. though it was the (or one of) official monitor of the 2006 International Cyber Games.

There are not many 19" with VA panels, but here are a few.....

1. Acer AL1923
2. Acer AL1952
3. Philips 190P7
4. Planar PL1910M
5. Viewsonic VP930b
November 18, 2006 11:58:39 AM

Yeah, maybe I "want it all" . Maybe I am expecting too much. Maybe I am confused :?

What would be your recommendations? Dont want to spend too much, maybe around US$ 250 - 300.

DVI, 8 bit and good response times are MUST haves. Matching this baby with a X1900XT 256 Mb, so good resolutions are also a must. Widescreen optional.

Any recommendations or links?
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November 18, 2006 1:54:23 PM

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Yeah, maybe I "want it all" . Maybe I am expecting too much. Maybe I am confused :?

What would be your recommendations? Dont want to spend too much, maybe around US$ 250 - 300.

DVI, 8 bit and good response times are MUST haves. Matching this baby with a X1900XT 256 Mb, so good resolutions are also a must. Widescreen optional.

Any recommendations or links?


You're going to have to choose which is most important to you. You can't have "fastest response time + 8-bit color". It doesn't exist at any price.

All of the 7 monitors mentioned are in your price range if you're in the US... all should be good, but a bit different from each other.

If you wanted to expand your price range to $350, two really good choices would be Samsung 970P and 971P. Also, if you like the glossy, Brite screen, NEC 90GX2. (It's got a 6-bit TN panel, but gets CRAZY-good reveiws from buyers.) If I were in the market for a 19" monitor, I would definitely check out these 3.

Best thing you can do is to see them before you buy.
a b 4 Gaming
November 18, 2006 5:23:09 PM

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Gaming / Movies
8 Bit Panel
Good contrast / brightness
DVI
Newer PVA panel
Wide Screen optional

Why not an IPS panel as well, better viewing angles and they can achieve low response times too. Also, keep in mind that all LCD monitors on the market show smearing from the response times; technically, there is no such thing as a gaming LCD because of this no matter what anyone says. -- but you can aim for the better ones....

Here is a list of LCD monitors that fit your description. Keep in mind that these are real response times, not the fake numbers you see on a box.
MVA. AL2032WA 5-60ms with 8ms on average but small peaks to 60ms
MVA.Acer F-20 5-55ms with 10ms on average but small peaks to 55ms
S-IPS.NEC 20WGX2 5-10ms with some small overdrive errors
S-IPS. LCD2190UXi 10-28ms with 16ms average, but some peaks to 28ms
S-IPS.MFM-HT205 7-10ms with some overdrive errors

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DVI, 8 bit and good response times are MUST haves. Matching this baby with a X1900XT 256 Mb, so good resolutions are also a must. Widescreen optional.

Actually, I would think viewing angle to be more important. If you do not do graphics editing and do not regularly look at individual pixels, then the difference between 6 and 8 bit might not look as great. If you do do some kind of pixel editing then you definitely want 8 bit, however, just for games, you could probably be fine with 6 bit. Unless you have done pixel editing in the past, it may be possible that you would have a hard time noticing the difference between the two.

Now, if you can handle the lower viewing angles of TN, here are some good TN monitors. You may even want to check out the specs of these monitors to see if any are 8-bit. At least one Samsung TN is true 8-bit: the 204b, however the response time is not as low as the following models:
VX922 5-10ms
VP191b 12-15ms
Samsung 930BF 5-10ms
VX924 5-12ms
NEC 90GX2 2-20ms with 8ms on average
Samsung 940BF 1- 7ms, however it has large overdrive errors that could look just the same as smearing


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You're going to have to choose which is most important to you. You can't have "fastest response time + 8-bit color". It doesn't exist at any price.
Contrary to what many people on the net say, actual testing of the monitors shows that this is actually quite possible; there are a few, though rare, S-IPS panels that have response times in the same range of some of the best TN panels (with the exception of something like the TN Samsung 940BF, which may or may not be good due to it's large overdrive errors.) In addition, we now know that it is also possible to turn a TN into 8-bit, though the response time was not as good on the one model I am aware of that does this.
November 21, 2006 2:36:17 AM

Im about to buy a monitor and am not very experienced with the specs.
I was reading the above posts and was wondering what does the 8 bit/6 bit have to do with response times? does one go up for the other to go down? I was looking at some monitors, and did not find the info on what bit it was from the info pages on the buying specs, how do I find this info? What is better for games, faster response time, or 8-bit/6-bit etc?
November 21, 2006 2:48:30 AM

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Im about to buy a monitor and am not very experienced with the specs.
I was reading the above posts and was wondering what does the 8 bit/6 bit have to do with response times? does one go up for the other to go down? I was looking at some monitors, and did not find the info on what bit it was from the info pages on the buying specs, how do I find this info? What is better for games, faster response time, or 8-bit/6-bit etc?


I haven't read any reviews which specifically state the relationship between color depth and speed. However, it seems intuitive....

Most of the "VA" and all(?) of the IPS panels are 8-bit... and they are the slower ones (but with better color, contrast, and viewing angles).

All(?) of the faster TN panels are 6-bit.

To me that means the best "all around" monitors would have either PVA, MPVA, SPVA, or SIPS panels with some overdrive to get the [claimed] response time down to 6-8 ms.
a b 4 Gaming
November 21, 2006 3:00:41 PM

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Im about to buy a monitor and am not very experienced with the specs.
I was reading the above posts and was wondering what does the 8 bit/6 bit have to do with response times? does one go up for the other to go down? I was looking at some monitors, and did not find the info on what bit it was from the info pages on the buying specs, how do I find this info? What is better for games, faster response time, or 8-bit/6-bit etc?

>does one go up for the other to go down?
Not necessarily, there are 8-bit S-IPS panels that are just as fast as 6-bit TN panels (and sometimes faster than many older TN 6-bit models). However, it is also true that the only TN 8-bit panel that I am aware of does not have an extremely fast response time. In reality it is 10-30ms with it being 20ms most of the time. However, there are other likely 6-bit TN panels that have similar response times.
It is possible that 8-bit could pose more technical challenges to get them to as low a response time, however, there is no hard and fast rule. Each panel seems to vary wildly, with some 8-bit S-IPS models being faster than most TN models, and some TN 6-bit models being as slow as the average 8-bit S-IPS models.
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