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November 19, 2006 1:10:19 PM

Hi,

I'm thinking about purchasing 2 19" displays. I currently use an Iiyama 22" CRT which is lovely, but consumes most of my desk! Also it has suffered from me leaving my headphones too near it, so it has a red blotch in the bottom corner. Time for something new!

I will be using the displays for
- Graphic design work
- Video editing
- Programming
...so I need something with brilliant colour fidelity and good font clarity.

My system is a Windows PC with an ATI Radeon X800 GTO

I have been looking at the 19" ViewSonic VP930. Is this the daddy or is there something better out there?

Thanks for any help!

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November 19, 2006 9:27:35 PM

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Hi,

I'm thinking about purchasing 2 19" displays. I currently use an Iiyama 22" CRT which is lovely, but consumes most of my desk! Also it has suffered from me leaving my headphones too near it, so it has a red blotch in the bottom corner. Time for something new!

I will be using the displays for
- Graphic design work
- Video editing
- Programming
...so I need something with brilliant colour fidelity and good font clarity.

My system is a Windows PC with an ATI Radeon X800 GTO

I have been looking at the 19" ViewSonic VP930. Is this the daddy or is there something better out there?

Thanks for any help!


The VP 930B gets good user reviews. I also like the Samsung 970P and 971P... they are premium displays for about $350 at Newegg.
November 20, 2006 3:23:47 AM

Quote:
Hi,

I'm thinking about purchasing 2 19" displays. I currently use an Iiyama 22" CRT which is lovely, but consumes most of my desk! Also it has suffered from me leaving my headphones too near it, so it has a red blotch in the bottom corner. Time for something new!

I will be using the displays for
- Graphic design work
- Video editing
- Programming
...so I need something with brilliant colour fidelity and lgood font carity.

My system is a Windows PC with an ATI Radeon X800 GTO

I have been looking at the 19" ViewSonic VP930. Is this the daddy or is there something better out there?

Thanks for any help!

Personally, I would not recommend LCD monitors for video editing. The screen door effect is quite noticeable on video even with monitors that have a small dot pitch. There is also the issue with the blotchy look of solid colors on matte finish LCD panels, which might be a reason to consider a glossy screen for graphics work (though glossy screens may have issues reproducing all 768 shades accurately).
Regarding the specific monitor you mentioned, there are several things to consider:
19" ... the dot pitch on the monitor you gave may be larger than you would want (even bigger screen door effect may be likely, though I don't know for sure)???? Perhaps consider a 1600x1200 20" model?
The model you mentioned is a P-MVA, MVA has issues with viewing angles for graphics work. The color will not be exactly the same across the entire screen (due to viewing angle). You might want to consider an IPS panel.
Colors: if you need accurate colors, then you may need to invest in a color calibrator.

So... you might want to check out one of the 19" models and see if the pixel pitch is ok for you. Take note of large swaths of similar colored areas that move on video. Also, if you can find an MVA panel to try out a graphics program on, that would be good -- to see if the color shift is noticeable on the smaller 19" models.

Response time: while response time is supposedly not an issue for the usage you mentioned, you may find areas where you may notice it. Of course, the panel needs to be fast enough to handle video without introducing minor issues that most people wouldn't notice (so you can tell if there are issues with the video that you are editing and not wonder if it's your monitor). The same goes for image editing. You don't want to be moving your brush around and the response time be so slow that as you are dragging the brush around, the actual shade you see near your brush is not quite right because the monitor is slow adjusting the color as you move around.

All in all, LCD is still inferior to CRT in many ways. You may want to check on all of these things before hand. Regarding your specific purchase of an LCD, you might want to consider an IPS based panel.... and perhaps a little higher dot pitch (which a 20" has) to help reduce the screen door effect. You might also want to consider a shiny screen, keeping in mind the glare issues (which may or may not give you a headache).

An entirely different solution would be to purchase an inexpensive used CRT monitor locally using something like craigslist.com.
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November 20, 2006 8:44:26 AM

Thanks Kevin - that's good advice.

Are there any IPS panels that you recommend? A more expensive 20" panel might be good as the viewing area would probably be about the same as my current 22" CRT.
November 20, 2006 4:18:27 PM

I'm not recommending any, but here's a few:

S-IPS.BenQ FP2092 30-18ms
S-IPS.NEC 20WGX2 5-10ms 7-9ms most of the time
S-IPS. LCD2190UXi 10-28ms 16ms most of the time with peaks up to 28ms
S-IPS.MFM-HT205 7-10ms 8ms most of the time
S-IPS.Sony S205K 20-35ms 30ms most of the time

there's also some here (response times not necessarily accurate):
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&t...
20.1": HP LP2065, 1600x1200 (4:3)
20.1"w: NEC MultiSync 20WMGX2, 1680x1050 (16:10)
23"w: Sony SDM-P234, 1920x1200 (16:10)
20.1"w: Dell UltraSharp 2007WFP, 1680x1050 (16:10) careful, this is not always ips

The NEC MultiSync 20WMGX2 looks interesting: as-ips, shiny
November 20, 2006 4:59:12 PM

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"... The NEC MultiSync 20WMGX2 looks interesting: as-ips, shiny


I recently read a review from someone who had reviewed this some months ago. Basically he says, "... out of the box, brightness needs to be toned down and colors need to be calibrated... if you can calibrate, color rendition is excellent.... this is a very good choice for anyone who likes the Brite screen, though I personally do not...."

I've seen the 20WMGX2 at Best Buy when they were running Call of Duty on all of the screens in a demo. I thought it nothing short of SPECTACULAR, and as such is one of my favorite monitors. But then again, I like the Brite screen. (There is a new line to replace the "GX2" line.... "GX2 Pro". In this 20"er, it was preliminarily indicated that perhaps the [currently] built-in TV tuner and removable soundbar would not be included as standard. If so, that should bring the price down $100-ish.)
November 21, 2006 7:02:14 PM

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But then again, I like the Brite screen.

The shiny screen does indeed look interesting -- richer colors and no blotchiness look to large areas of a single color. The only thing that really bothers me is the high reflectivity. Knowing how long you can spend on a computer, this seemed like a real issue to me. I have heard that computer screen glare can cause headaches, and even though I don't have a light shining on the face of the monitor, there is still the possibility of glare from outside.

I would really like to consider the shiny finish monitors, but I am worried about that reflection. CRTs are kinda shiny, I guess you could say, but it doesn't have the glare like the LCD finish. What are you thoughts on this topic, from personal experience?

What is odd, is why they can't make the finish anti-reflective too. They make anti-reflective anti-radiation panels that you can put over a CRT, so why not do the same for LCDs?
November 21, 2006 8:01:51 PM

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But then again, I like the Brite screen.

The shiny screen does indeed look interesting -- richer colors and no blotchiness look to large areas of a single color. The only thing that really bothers me is the high reflectivity. Knowing how long you can spend on a computer, this seemed like a real issue to me. I have heard that computer screen glare can cause headaches, and even though I don't have a light shining on the face of the monitor, there is still the possibility of glare from outside.

I would really like to consider the shiny finish monitors, but I am worried about that reflection. CRTs are kinda shiny, I guess you could say, but it doesn't have the glare like the LCD finish. What are you thoughts on this topic, from personal experience?

What is odd, is why they can't make the finish anti-reflective too. They make anti-reflective anti-radiation panels that you can put over a CRT, so why not do the same for LCDs?

1. To eliminate the glare, you need to either (A) use in a room with no lights on and no bright windows, or (B) be able to orient the screen at such an angle that whatever ambient lights there are do not reflect into the user's eyes. Most consumer uses should allow such flexibility.

I've read a few reviews where the reviewer basically says, "I don't like the Brite screen because of the reflection [glare]". Well, Duh! Nobody wants ambient light reflected into their eyes when using their computer... So, what if you turned off the lights or oriented the screen so that you could see no glare? What would your opinion be then? .... Reviewers never seem to see that point.

2. Actually, CRTs' "anti-reflective" coatings use a similar principle as the matte finish of most LCDs (only less so) to scatter light "a little bit".... such that they are "kinda shiny". (If you have ever seen a cheapo CRT "without AR coating", it is just as reflective as Brite screen.... I had one once... a cheapo Compaq. Not only did it not have AR coating, it also did not have anti-static... attracted dust like a magnet. However that it had no AR coating resulted in sharper-than-normal text and images.) The Brite screen tries to minimize light scatter for exactly the result they get.

Personally, I really like the Brite screen. However if you had to use it in an environment where you could not eliminate or minimize glare, it would likely become an issue. It is this reason, I believe, we don't see Brite screens on enterprise class monitors. They are usually placed to facilitate their task and really don't have the "avoid light" options a consumer/gamer or laptop user would have. (I've been fantasizing that someday NEC would come out with a UXGA Brite screen model, but I don't think we will ever see it. :>(

Even though the buyers at Newegg have a positive bias (have already decided they like Brite screen before they buy), the reviews they give are CRAZY-high with praise.... Makes you think, "there must be something to this"... and there is. :p 
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