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November 28, 2009 4:03:30 PM

I wonder why Toms Hardware has not reported this story on their website under news. Last week, either a hacker broke into the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit and uncovered very incriminating emails. The emails were by the members who talk about suppressing opposing views, opposing views being anti-global warming, by coercing journals to deny publishing articles that disprove global warming, emails saying that data has been deleted to thwart open information law inquiries, and just plain fudging of data so that their view that there is global warming won't be challenged. Seeing that this deals with technology, the hacking of email accounts, or the destruction of data on information systems,

I would think Tom's Hardware would be eager to report this but is strangely silent.

See http://www.climatedepot.com/ for the low down on this very major story.
November 28, 2009 8:10:05 PM

Likely wasn't posted here because of how little it has to do with technology and hardware.

Now if this was Tom's Weather, I can see being perturbed by he omission.
November 28, 2009 11:33:47 PM

And this story, "Guy Quits Job With Error Message" and "Used ATM Machines for Sale on Craigslist", which is currently one of the headlines on the front page, is so much more important than the University that is the main source that the UN uses to determine environmental policy, especially policy that many nations use as their environmental policy.

And email and data being deleted to thwart laws by the same university on computers has nothing to do with hardware or technology? Sorry, but if you don't see how that deals with hardware, software, IT securityand the ethics involved with those information technologies, maybe you ought to go back and restudy for your A+ certification, or just start learning about computers period.

And like Tom's Hadware has never done a story about computers being hacked into:

# QOTD: Have You Ever Hacked Anything? - News

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systems). Feel free to share with everyone your most interesting hacking exploits. Have you ever hacked anything? If so, what have you hacked...
# UC Berkeley Health Records Hacked - News

as 1999) and present students are affected as well as 3,400 Mills College students (as far back as 2001) who received, or were eligible to receive, health care at UC Berkeley. According to a statement, Berkeley learned of hacking in April and immediately removed...
# NASA could hold Venezuelan responsible for alleged hacking, theft - News

NASA could hold Venezuelan responsible for alleged hacking, theft. nasa considers charges venezuelan. From SecurityFocus. SecurityFocus is reporting this morning that a Venezuelan native already convicted for defacing a US Air Force Web site, and who is facing...
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# A wireless hacking computer that can't be hacked - News

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# Pirate Bay Boys Face Prosecutors; IFPI Hacked - News

their feelings by hacking the IFPI Swedish website. The group calling themselves the 'Den nya generationen' (The new generation) left a note on the hacked site reading (translated), “declaration of war on the anti-piracy industry and the players behind it,...
# Windows 7 Can Be Hacked, No Fix - News

Windows 7 Can Be Hacked, No Fix. Windows 7 Hacked controlled. Earlier today at the Hack In The box Security Conference
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# China: We Don't Hack the U.S. - News

China: We Don't Hack the U.S.. China Pentagon Jet Hack Cybercrime. This week has been filled with reports about the apparent hacking of the Pentagon. . A report in the Wall Street Journal claimed that cyber-spies had hacked into the Department of Defense’s...
# New Charges Brought Against Sarah Palin's Hacker - News

hacking” is heavily debated.... During the presidential race in 2008, someone hacked into Sarah Palin’s personal email account and posted the contents online for the world to see. Whether or not it was “real hacking” is heavily debated (he used the...
# Oops! Twitter Server Password is "Password" - News

been unfolding over the last 72 hours because we know how much you don't want to hear about Twitter but this little detail is not related to the Twitter hacking, despite presenting signifi. We've been trying to avoid the whole Twitter-gate drama that's...
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potion to inflict damage more quickly upon players with fewer experience points (XP). While this particular bug could be exploited through legitimate game play, most exploits are actually caused through direct hacking, especially by developing proxies that...


And that is just the first page of 6 pages of stories involving hacking previously covered on Tom's Hardware News. But I guess that doesn't have anything to do with hardware and technology, either. I wonder why it is on this site then???
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November 29, 2009 12:24:32 AM

I agree redraider.
Theres been a huge effort from all points to prolong this hoax.
If I were a weatheman, and I went from having telegraphs phoning in fronts to satellites overseeing every cloud movement, plus infra red etc, and still couldnt predict the weather more than 3 days out, Id be saying things like, "even tho its getting hotter, itll also be colder in areas too", Sounds like job security to me, especially when a whole group of politicians grab it for their own political benefits, and also, to slow the usage of our finite resources, which is really the main issue overall, that and save the left footed striped owl minnow.
I just watched national geographic, where they had a nice show on Yosemite, and almost every other sentence was on global warming and its effects on it.
At the very end of the show, they spent a few words on all the dying frogs and mentioned other things with no specifics also being effected by pesticides.
Ive lived in 6 different areas in the states, 2 in the valley here in Calif also, and I keep telling people how bad the air is here compared to anywheres else Ive lived, and I attribute it to all the pesticides and other growth performing things theyre constantly pumping into the air here, as they fog everything.
I also watched a lil bit about the mini iceage we all went thru, and how the vikings lived on Grennland, and saw the old areas which they used to live on, which are just now melting again.
Toms does other articles out side of tech, like cars etc. Even movies. Theyve done a few on weather as well, but its not common, but this one is a biggy.
I hope all those that have bought into this becomes exposed, and all the pols that backed it, and spent our money, all the teachers that made it into a semi religion get fired,unelected whatever, and we have the truth.
Its getting warmer, but our meager contributions wont stop it, nor propel it.
As every movie,story or article weve ever written always speaks on the power of nature, and how small we truly are compared to it

http://www.tomshardware.com/s/news/global-warming/
November 29, 2009 12:59:08 AM

/facepalm.

that is all.
November 29, 2009 2:06:39 AM

Might give a clue for what? A clue why he exposed the lie of global warming?

What is your point?


November 29, 2009 5:46:06 AM

Let me remind you that Tom's news team is currently manned by 3 people, and an occasional 4th. They do not have an all-seeing eye, and can not possibly cover everything.
November 29, 2009 5:54:33 AM

randomizer, thats just not good enough.

apparently.
November 29, 2009 9:37:15 AM

I recently read a topic on CO2 emissions from cars. Back in the early 80's in the UK a well know chemist argued the case on several occassions against adopting catalytic convertors for cars. She opted in stead that we should develop lean burn technology instead as it burns less fuel for the same performance and less emissions.

There are plenty of sources out there that will give you evidence that whilst cats indeed reduce the levels of sulphur etc, the side effect is that they pump out double the CO2

Obviously the car industry went down the quick fix route of using cats, and now we have a CO2 problem. I am not suggesting that this is the cause or proof of global warming - in fact I strongly believe that the melting ice caps is just part of a very long (chronologically) circle.

After all we have had several ice ages.... the ice forms and covers over 50% of the planets surface.... then receeds. So without the 100% cast iron proof from a higher authority how can anyone be sure its a made man event ?

Anyway back to the original subject of my post. No one listened to the chemist in the UK... cats are wide spread and co2 emissions continue to be a talking point.

For the record the chemist ? none othet than Margaret Thatcher.... former prime minister for the UK.
November 29, 2009 9:42:21 AM

The whole thing is just about giving us another tax without calling it a tax. The Australian government is so keen to tax us that they want to pass an Emissions Trading (Tax) Scheme before Copenhagen. Our Prime Minister would love to walk into Copenhagen having already done something to "lead the world."

The opposition are divided on the matter, so much so that at least 5 shadow ministers have resigned because they don't agree with the opposition leader's view that this needs to be passed immediately. The opposition party has pretty much imploded completely within the last 2 weeks.
November 29, 2009 9:48:41 AM

My question is, where are all their expert charts exposing the size of Greenlands glaciers back in Lief Ericksons days?
How small were they then? How little snow and glacial activity was there then?
How high were the oceans then compared to today?
The mini ice age lasted for centuries, creating more glacial activity, reducing the sea level, now its reversing again. Which is normal? Mini ice age, or back when Lief was discovering Greenland and growing crops on it?
Why do we find the Wooly mamoth in the Artic?
Just a few things they need to answer without question before they have access to my tax monies
November 29, 2009 9:55:15 AM

randomizer said:
Let me remind you that Tom's news team is currently manned by 3 people, and an occasional 4th. They do not have an all-seeing eye, and can not possibly cover everything.


It's quite conspicuous in the news. It's on the Telegraph.co.uk, it's on the Wall Street Journal site at www.wsj.com, and the even New York Times (reluctantly since they would rather try to ignore it as liberal as the are) at

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21clima...

and Fox News at Foxnews.com

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/11/24/john-lott-cli...

and on the televised news, on the Neil Cavuto show, and on the Glenn Beck show. It's on virtually every talk show host, like Rush Limbaugh, is talking about it in the US. It's not that inconspicuous of a story. I did a search for "used ATM" and their story about used ATMs being sold didn't appear anywhere, yet they are reporting on that. I did a google search on "leaked email" and "hacked email" and stories about this were at the top, showing it is quite conspicuous of an issue. This is the information age and just covering what the AP reports, which seems to be the case with Tom's News, could be a liability.

Maybe they need to broaden their reading and news gathering if they are into news because this is a very big story. Whole countries have been developing policy over what these "climate scientists" "articles" have been saying. It is at University of East Anglia in England who works with Penn State, Arizona State, and the University of Georgia, all of which have been drawn into the story. It's just too big to have been missed if they want to be into news. This is potentially the biggest news story of the year. Almost EVERYTHING that is being reported about CO2, carbon footprints everywhere, in textbooks, The Green Channel information on cable news is now known to be false. Obama and the other countries going to Copenhagen is for no reason because global warming doesn't existed as shown by this EMAIL LEAK. THIS IS A BIG STORY. The basis for all of the "climate scientists" and their COMPUTER CLIMATE MODELING (in case there is still a question whether this deals with technology) data is COOKED, SKEWED, virtually made up out of whole cloth out of thin air. THIS IS BIG!!

So the implication that this is some obscure story doesn't hold water or even that it is not relevant. This big news and deals with Technology like I've said before and like I said before, it's almost, I said ALMOST, irresponsible if they want to be into reporting news. So, I DON'T think it's good enough to not notice a story this big. If they can find an obscure story about used ATMs being sold on Craigslist, or obscure stories about virtually secret laser weapon testing, like I've seen here before, there is no excuse for not knowing this.

Sometimes you need to admit that a mistake is made or maybe not even that, just give thanks for being notified of it, and realize you need to get on it right away instead of saying we just don't have enough people and this is one of those times where saying we don't have enough people does excuses it, especially with all the obscure stories they do come up with.
November 29, 2009 9:58:19 AM

Saying we don't have enough people does not excuses it, I don't think.
November 29, 2009 10:06:38 AM

ulysses35 said:

There are plenty of sources out there that will give you evidence that whilst cats indeed reduce the levels of sulphur etc, the side effect is that they pump out double the CO2


The reason this is not such a problem is that CO2 is a naturally occurring gas while sulfur in the atmosphere is not naturally occurring at high levels. So, while it might have been better if we had gone down that scientist's route of lean burn techology, "cats" are not that bad since they do reduce sulfur, a cause of acid rain, which was probably the big emphasis because acid rain was one of the major issues at the time.


November 29, 2009 10:16:01 AM

randomizer said:
The whole thing is just about giving us another tax without calling it a tax.


There is a little more to it than that, but you've more or less hit it on the head. The researchers want there to be man-made global warming so they can continue to rake in huge grants in researching it. No crisis or no crisis we can do anything about = basically no funding. No wonder they want to shut up researchers that say anything different- it's bad for their bottom lines! The government wants to get involved because it not only gives them the power to tax, but it also gives them a lot of control. The whole cap-and-trade scheme is not only a huge tax, but it also lets the government decide exactly who can pollute how much before having to pay out the nose. Contribute a lot to my campaign? Your "cap" gets raised five-fold. Contribute to the opposition? Well, we think you should only be getting half the amount of credits you got last year.
November 29, 2009 10:17:30 AM

Heres one. They say cows are causing problems too, too much flatulance.
Or, were vegan, this is a liberal issue, so were in too.
Now, if were all eating cows, and theyre all killing th atmosphere, and its a big deal here in the states, what about the buffalo?
Didnt there used to be herds of buffalo numbering in the 30 millions or so?
Dont they fart too? Im just tired of every group piling on this issue which has no base in scientific fact.
Im tired of my country, and half its politicians, putting down the US for not abiding the accords written earlier,which will cost us untold billions, and do what? Fire all the bums, throw em out, quit listening to them, fire their followers, and expect better in the future.
November 29, 2009 10:22:18 AM

But I'd say that alot of their obscure stories are interesting and Tom's News does do a good job and I realize they can't catch everything, but they have to admit this is a big story and the main reason I posted this was just to say, "Hey, I think you need to get on this" and not "You messed up Tom's News." I even emailed your news contact at tuannguyen@bestofmedia.com about it.
November 29, 2009 10:36:14 AM

redraider89 said:
So the implication that this is some obscure story doesn't hold water or even that it is not relevant. This big news and deals with Technology like I've said before and like I said before, it's almost, I said ALMOST, irresponsible if they want to be into reporting news. So, I DON'T think it's good enough to not notice a story this big. If they can find an obscure story about used ATMs being sold on Craigslist, or obscure stories about virtually secret laser weapon testing, like I've seen here before, there is no excuse for not knowing this.

I don't know exactly where they get their news from, but as far as I know, it's not WSJ or FOX. Your point is moot; if they don't see the story, it doesn't matter how big it is it still won't be reported.

Anyway, if you emailed Tuan he'll post it if he thinks it's worth it.
November 29, 2009 1:13:04 PM

Sorry Redraider89 but this story is not technology based. I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that it is.

None of us are refuting the importance of the story itself, only it's relevance to the content we publish.
November 29, 2009 1:34:07 PM

TheViper said:
Sorry Redraider89 but this story is not technology based. I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that it is.

None of us are refuting the importance of the story itself, only it's relevance to the content we publish.



It involves a computer that has been hacked, that deals with technology, or the leaking of emails, that is technology related, from a university computer system, which is IT related, and those emails, which are IT related, being posted on the internet, which is IT related. And those emails stating that data and some emails, which is IT related, is going to be deleted in violation of a Freedom of Information act, which deals with information security on IT systems, which is technology related. It's obviously an IT and technology based story just like the story where China denied hacking U.S. computers was covered here. If you read my comment of a whole list of stories I commented shortly after your first comment, where I showed a whole list of stories covering computer hacking gathered from this site, there is no way you could say that this is not technology related unless you are just posting frivolous comments.
November 29, 2009 1:39:46 PM

At most, I could have chosen a better title than I did and should have said, "Univerisity Computer System hacking releases emails that Leads to Disproving Global Warming" instead.
November 29, 2009 1:46:44 PM

^That I believe would certainly have gained a more receptive audience.

I think the issue here is the politicizing of the context instead of the actual IT involvement. Certainly the hack is IT related but it is lost completely upon the content of the hacked emails.

Even here among the tech heads, what is being discussed? The hack or global warming? That is why it has little relevance on the front page. The point of the story would be the hack but the content of the emails would instantly take focus.
November 29, 2009 2:07:47 PM

TheViper said:
^That I believe would certainly have gained a more receptive audience.

I think the issue here is the politicizing of the context instead of the actual IT involvement. Certainly the hack is IT related but it is lost completely upon the content of the hacked emails.

Even here among the tech heads, what is being discussed? The hack or global warming? That is why it has little relevance on the front page. The point of the story would be the hack but the content of the emails would instantly take focus.



It involves both and people can take either path in the discussion. It just happens that most have chosen the environmental route. But none of this would have happened without the IT aspect. But thanks for your comments. However, if Tom's reported it, it would be more about the results of an IT event, with the IT event being the basis I believe. Why people didn't start talking about U.S. China relations when Tom's reported China denying that it had hacked U.S. computers I don't know. But it could have gone either way and it is the same type of story, I believe.
November 29, 2009 6:21:13 PM

redraider89 said:
At most, I could have chosen a better title than I did and should have said, "Univerisity Computer System hacking releases emails that Leads to Disproving Global Warming" instead.


All this story proves is that at one university there were some dirty tricks going on. It does not prove or disprove global warning, climate change, or whatever. You seem to have swallowed the US far rights bait hook, line and sinker.
November 29, 2009 8:07:57 PM

croc said:
All this story proves is that at one university there were some dirty tricks going on. It does not prove or disprove global warning, climate change, or whatever. You seem to have swallowed the US far rights bait hook, line and sinker.

I think thats minimizing it quite a bit. Thats like saying Sidney isnt really that important to OZ.
This is their main port, from what Ive read, could be wrong....
November 29, 2009 8:50:34 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
I think thats minimizing it quite a bit. Thats like saying Sidney isnt really that important to OZ.
This is their main port, from what Ive read, could be wrong....


Look, there are many strange and politicized things going on within the IPCC itself. So a wee bit of corruption at one UK university doesn't get me too upset. Personally, I prefer the CSIRO's data sets for our region, and they are 'interesting' to say the least. It won't take too much more CO2 in the ocean to raise the Ph level above the threshold where reefs start dying. Worse than that, to me, is that also means that prawns and lobsters will take a big hit as well, as will the krill down in Antarctica. (Well, maybe that has a good side as well, as there will no longer be a reason for the Japanese to continue their 'scientific research' of whales...)

I'm also waiting for the CSIRO's continuing ice core studies, about which they are being rather quiet at the moment.

As to Sydney's importance, we are running out of water, our transportation is going downhill, there is no land being made available for new housing and the current immigration plans would have Sydney's population almost double by 2050. Average house prices on the north shore are way over .5M and rising, nearer to .75M near my area. More and more businesses are re-locating to Bris and Melbourne, so Sydney's 'importance' is lessening, and our issues are growing...
November 29, 2009 8:58:32 PM

To sum up the situation, which I think is irrefutable.

Taking action can't really do any harm in the long run, taking no action may potentially do irreversible harm.

Myself, I think if you take a step back and remove the human factors in reasoning that there is no issue(basically the effort it would take on our part) then no one can really deny that there is not a problem.

Inaction is an action and could be a costly one.
November 29, 2009 8:58:54 PM

Just ignore this silly little story! I WANT TO PAY MORE ENERGY TAXES!
November 29, 2009 9:08:31 PM

I wouldn't care if the energy companies foot the bill themselves, but that isn't even a possibility.
November 29, 2009 9:14:01 PM

Oh right... "the energy companies foot the bill themselves" Yeah... that totally won't raise our electric bills! WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT?!? TAX THEM and I'll continue to enjoy my cheap electricity! Ugh.
November 29, 2009 9:17:29 PM

Meh, electricity is already 30c/kWh during peak times for me.
November 29, 2009 10:06:11 PM

randomizer said:
Meh, electricity is already 30c/kWh during peak times for me.


Energy Australia bills us for 1600 Kwh @ .21, everything above that for a month @ .32 I think... If Rees 'privatizes' NSW's grid, the ETS 'tax' will not even noticeable in the bloodbath of red ink that follows. Hell, EA cannot even manage to install a decent SCADA properly now, what incentive will they have to do so if they have to answer to shareholders?
November 29, 2009 10:13:20 PM

Rees is an idiot. The State Government are idiots. Labor are idiots.
November 29, 2009 10:22:01 PM

randomizer said:
Rees is an idiot. The State Government are idiots. Labor are idiots.


And the Libs are any better??? Federally, how many leaders have they had since JH lost the plot? (and his seat...) Bye bye Malcolm, (you arrogant ass) hello Joe... Good theatre, but not good politics.
November 29, 2009 10:47:23 PM

Oh I think the Libs are idiots as well, at least they are now. They have some conflicts of interest though. On one hand they need to stop the ETS being done and legislated by Copenhagen like a good bunch of right wingers, but at the same time they're imploding the whole party by in-fighting. Liberal are going to have a landslide loss at the next election if they don't get their act together, but if they can then it should be interesting. The ETS isn't overly popular and I think the immigration story has caused some bruises on Kevo, but it all depends if these issues are remembered next year.

Personally I'm going to go with a vote of no confidence in either party for federal, and I'm not sure about state (I certainly won't be voting Labor). Perhaps we should have a coup? :D 
November 29, 2009 11:00:57 PM

randomizer said:
Oh I think the Libs are idiots as well, at least they are now. They have some conflicts of interest though. On one hand they need to stop the ETS being done and legislated by Copenhagen like a good bunch of right wingers, but at the same time they're imploding the whole party by in-fighting. Liberal are going to have a landslide loss at the next election if they don't get their act together, but if they can then it should be interesting. The ETS isn't overly popular and I think the immigration story has caused some bruises on Kevo, but it all depends if these issues are remembered next year.

Personally I'm going to go with a vote of no confidence in either party for federal, and I'm not sure about state (I certainly won't be voting Labor). Perhaps we should have a coup? :D 


Maybe we should recruit Pauline down to NSW....
November 29, 2009 11:05:40 PM

One Nation will rise from the ashes!
November 29, 2009 11:09:31 PM

randomizer said:
One Nation will rise from the ashes!


Sounds like we have the beginnings of a good plan...

(sorry for those scratching their heads, but I think this thread went off of the rails LONG ago...)
November 29, 2009 11:31:02 PM

croc said:
Sounds like we have the beginnings of a good plan...

Please explaaain?
November 29, 2009 11:33:01 PM

^ The LOL CATS are GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLDZZZZ

:lol: 
November 29, 2009 11:39:26 PM

im slightly lost amongst the differing opinions here...

i understand the contention surrounding global warming. i in fact belive that the global temperature rises are not atributed to man-made causes.
but are some of you honestly saying, 'oh well nevermind, lets keep dumping carbon into the atmosphere?'

seriously, we should still be doing everything we can to reverse the huge amount of waste products being pumped into the air. weather global warming is a hoax, a mistake, or a conspiracy, we still need to stop destroying our planet.
November 29, 2009 11:41:24 PM

randomizer said:
Please explaaain?


Well, rumour has it that the seat of Wentworthville will be vacant soon, and there will be a by election... Pauline could parachute in there, and start bringing back One Nation again at the federal level. All she would need to start back up is a win and some prefs from, say the nats and the greens, Voila! One nation has risen from the ashes. Oh yeah, don't forget the Gun Party... I am sure they'd back her as well.
November 30, 2009 12:22:18 AM

Let's just continue to screw up the ONLY planet we currently live on, and we'll all soon find out the truth...
November 30, 2009 12:29:21 AM

croc said:
Well, rumour has it that the seat of Wentworthville will be vacant soon, and there will be a by election... Pauline could parachute in there, and start bringing back One Nation again at the federal level. All she would need to start back up is a win and some prefs from, say the nats and the greens, Voila! One nation has risen from the ashes. Oh yeah, don't forget the Gun Party... I am sure they'd back her as well.

Oh I see. Don't forget the Pirate Party, they might back her as well. ;)  I'm not sure if she'd be any worse than the current candidates to be honest, they're all bad :( 

Btw, I think you missed the joke in my post as well. I take it you don't remember her 1996 interview where she was asked if she was xenophobic. :D 
November 30, 2009 12:39:07 AM

randomizer said:
Oh I see. Don't forget the Pirate Party, they might back her as well. ;)  I'm not sure if she'd be any worse than the current candidates to be honest, they're all bad :( 

Btw, I think you missed the joke in my post as well. I take it you don't remember her 1996 interview where she was asked if she was xenophobic. :D 


You are correct, I did not get the joke. In defense, Pauline wasn't on my radar back in 1996 though, so I'll have to plead ignorance.
November 30, 2009 2:17:01 AM

I didn't care about politics back then either (for obvious age reasons). I think it's been repeated a few times in recent history, especially when the nude photo thing came up. It's one of her more "famous" quotes. Here's the interview if you care to listen. She says it somewhere around the middle.
November 30, 2009 2:26:00 AM

randomizer said:
I didn't care about politics back then either (for obvious age reasons). I think it's been repeated a few times in recent history, especially when the nude photo thing came up. It's one of her more "famous" quotes. Here's the interview if you care to listen. She says it somewhere around the middle.


Patiently waiting for the link....
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