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August 12, 2004 8:21:06 PM

hey guys what range of dual layer (8.5Gb) SATA DVD burners are out now, or will soon be released?

so far i've only found the Plextor PX-712SA which is a CD-R & DVD±R/RW Recorder but not dual layer...
August 13, 2004 11:17:56 AM

The Plextor is the only drive that I know of that is SATA. There just really isn't much of an advantage of going to SATA for optical drives. I think Plextor was just sort of "testing the waters." SATA still requires extra work to setup, and really isn't that much faster than an IDE drive.

I thought I remember reading to that the Plextor drive was an IDE drive with a SATA converter inside.

I think by the time we have drives capable of read and writing at SATA speeds, we won't have SATA anymore.

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August 13, 2004 12:59:15 PM

my interest in SATA drives is predominately the fact that if i spend my money on a DVD writer drive i don't want to spend it on an IDE one, ok so the transfer rates aren't up to the limit, but it would be foolhardy and false economy to buy an IDE one, as that standard is very much on the way out.

it's like buying a motherboard without PCI express, you'll be out of new AGP options in years time...and i for one keep my PC's for 3-4 years, can't afford an entirely new PC every 6 months :) 
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August 14, 2004 2:24:30 AM

I don't see SATA becoming the new standard. They still are still difficult for an average user to setup. Truthfully at the moment, SATA isn't really any faster than IDE. If IDE was on the way out, there would be more SATA stuff coming out, but the truth is, most drives out there are IDE. So right now if you want a dual layer burner you are pretty much stuck to IDE, and there is a reason for that. IDE is going to offer more bandwidth than that DVD-RW could even hope to consume. Releastically even if in the future you end up with a motherboard that only has SATA (which I highly doubt), there are plenty IDE to SATA converters, and actually many motherboards that come with SATA come with the converters.

And as for PCI express, do you really think this brand new technology is going to wipe out AGP. AGP has been around for a long time, and generally what everyone uses. From what I have been seeing PCI express cards don't have any advantage over AGP at the moment.

If you keep your PCs for 3-4 years, why are you worried about tommorows technology, you are buying todays technology. How do you know we will be using SATA for much longer, what happens if SATA2 or something comes out 6 months later?

Stop worrying so much about what might happen, even if you happen to find a dual layer SATA DVD-RW, tommorow, it isn't going to write any faster when(if) SATA becomes standard, you are buying todays technology, not tommorows.



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August 14, 2004 6:26:42 PM

you remind me of people that told me that ISA slots would rule forever, then they got stuck when everything went PCI, then i bought a mobo with AGP and they thought i was mad because there were still PCI graphics cards around...

all standards get replaced, although i don't doubt that AGP cards will be available for a good long time to come, but at this moment it wouldnt be prudent to get a AGP motherboard when plenty of PCI express x16 ones are available, the name of the game is future proofing SO your PC lasts longer and you are able to get graphics cards/drive updates without having to buy an entirely new PC in 2 years time.

SATA will replace IDE in time, that's what it's meant for!

it'll just take a long while, ditto with AGP, it'll be extinct off motherboards in time, but i'll admit that it'll take quite a while, at least a year.

anyways, i thought SATA was easier to set up, as there's no more slave/master worries
August 15, 2004 3:44:41 AM

Hey ISA isn't dead!, LOL, I thought it was strange the other day when I put a new video card in my moms computer, and it still had an ISA slot.

I agree that SATA is the new thing, but it seems plauged with problems. The biggest problem is that most people can't figure out how to configure their BIOS to get the computer to boot SATA, some boards are easier than others. So in the end, I sort of see your point about SATA, but I think it needs some serious refineing before it unseats IDE as king.

As for AGP, I still see it being around for quite a while. Its still going to take a little while for PCI express to really start being common on all boards, and just for the fact that right now there are a ton of boards out there that are AGP. Up until recently, even high end cards had PCI versions, just becuase many people didn't have AGP.

So I agree with you to a point, but I think the changes will be a little slower than you think. Of course I might end up oweing you an appology in a year, but I don't think so. :smile:

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August 15, 2004 12:30:23 PM

i know that when you install windows XP off a bootable CD you can run into problems, as you need to add the SATA drivers into the process when windows asks for 3rd party drivers, otherwise windows doesn't see the SATA hard disks :) 

so yeah there are problems

has anyone tried installing off a bootable windows XP SP2 CD? i have a SP2 bootable CD, but only old hardware which is supported anyway.
September 6, 2004 3:59:15 PM

I did a clean install of XP Pro SP2 with no problems at all. I have SATA HD's only. Can't post the link --- windows-help.net had the article.
Copied the XP CD and a downloaded copy of SP2 to my HD. Then SP2 "updated" XP. Then burned XP back to a CD. Worked nice.
September 7, 2004 1:59:51 AM

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but it would be foolhardy and false economy to buy an IDE one, as that standard is very much on the way out

By the time PATA is dead, your drive will probably be too.

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you remind me of people that told me that ISA slots would rule forever, then they got stuck when everything went PCI

4 years after PCI was introduced that ISA began disappearing. 6 years before it was gone on most new products. Your drive will be worthless by then.

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i bought a mobo with AGP and they thought i was mad because there were still PCI graphics cards around

I don't know who "They" are, but boards with both PCI and AGP have been around for 7 years.

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at this moment it wouldnt be prudent to get a AGP motherboard when plenty of PCI express x16 ones are available

Not for AMD processors, are you suggesting people overpay for inferior performance to insure compatability? Because current processor sockets will phase out about the same as AGP does.

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the name of the game is future proofing SO your PC lasts longer

I kept my CD-RW for 4 years and was DYING to replace it.

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SATA will replace IDE in time

How MUCH time? Your new drive will be old crap by the time SATA becomes standard for all optical drives.

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it'll just take a long while

Exactly. It's false economy to think you'll save money in the long run by getting a SATA DVD burner, simply because you'll replace it before standards force you to.

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September 7, 2004 11:08:10 PM

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I kept my CD-RW for 4 years and was DYING to replace it.

I've had the same burner since my Pentium 2 233. Its an old HP 10x4x32 drive, but I can't replace it just becuase newer drives won't copy everything my old drive will.

I imagine I'll be trying to find another ancient drive off of eBay when this one finally dies.


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September 7, 2004 11:40:24 PM

This was a year ago, my Sony 8x4x32 SCSI drive couldn't even write 700MB CD-RW

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