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January 22, 2007 3:46:39 PM

So, we have three contenders:

HP LP3065 - runs a little over $1500

Apple 30" http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html - $1999

Dell 30" http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c... - about $1500

Who's the winner?

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January 22, 2007 3:57:25 PM

This is a question I would love to know. I was actually just going to post something along the same line. I'm a graphic designer and would love to have the extra desktop space to do my work, but want to make sure the color quality is still good for photo editing etc. Right now I have 2 18" monitors running which is fine but cumbersome and not that easy to use with my pen tablet. I'd love to know which of these is best as I'm seriously looking at getting one.
January 22, 2007 5:53:02 PM

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This is a question I would love to know. I was actually just going to post something along the same line. I'm a graphic designer and would love to have the extra desktop space to do my work, but want to make sure the color quality is still good for photo editing etc. Right now I have 2 18" monitors running which is fine but cumbersome and not that easy to use with my pen tablet. I'd love to know which of these is best as I'm seriously looking at getting one.


I've seen comparisons of the apple vs dell;

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6470175-1.html

but these were inconclusive to me and since HP now makes one, I want to see which is the best. If the HP didn't exist, I'd buy the Dell b/c for 500 dollars, you don't get that much more of a monitor out of it. I think you're basically paying for brand name although I've never seen the apple or dell in real life.

If the apple is actually outstanding and worth the extra 500, its probably worth it.


I don't do any rendering, but usually my desktop is littered with websites, spread sheets and such for research and the like. I'll have the cash to burn and I feel that it wouldn't be a bad investment. I already own a 24" samsung syncmaster 240T, which is excellent, but I'd like to have a monitor that can take more advantage of my graphics card. Plus the priceses have come down a lot.
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January 22, 2007 6:53:05 PM

Samsung has a 30" now, too.
January 22, 2007 7:15:14 PM

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I've never seen the apple or dell in real life.


I saw the apple in real life(it was on display at compusa). My jaw dropped and i drooled a little. The thing was beautiful. But I haven't seen any of the others. It's so rare for a store to put out models like that so you can compare them side by side.

I've read that the apple model is somewhat difficult to use on a pc, is there any truth to that?



That was actually pretty informative. I guess the question is, "Is slightly better color worth $500 more". In my case it may actually be since I'm in graphics. But that also brings up the point that I may be seeing such great vibrant colors, but what would people on other monitors see... Would it really be beneficial to me to see everything vibrantly if noone else can.. hmmmm.... I wish I could see them side by side to compare.
January 22, 2007 11:53:44 PM

dude check out that link again for the dell. the price dropped!
January 23, 2007 1:23:02 AM

The price dropped because the newer version of it is supposed to be coming out in a month or so. I would get the Dell personally.
January 23, 2007 1:23:41 AM

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The price dropped because the newer version of it is supposed to be coming out in a month or so. I would get the Dell personally.


why?
January 23, 2007 1:45:16 AM

OK, I'll add the samsung:

SyncMaster 305T - $1999 ( I have yet to see a lower price) http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/PressRe...

Apple 30" http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html - $1999

Dell 30" http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c... - $1274

HP LP3065 - http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2077915,00.a... runs about $1550

Basically, we have:

samsung and apple around 2000

HP around 1500

Dell just below 1300.

The APPLE and DELL have 700:1 contrast ratio and 400 cd/m^2 brightness.

The HP has a 1000:1 contrast (NICE) but lower brightness 300 cd/m^2

The samsung has 1000:1 contrast and 400 cd/m^2 brightness ( best of them all for these 2 stats).



The biggest monitor i've used is a samsung 240t. It only have a 450:1 contrast ratio (these are 700:1 or better) and 230 cd/m^s (vs 300 +).

I'm used to the monitor and moving up would just be a bonus. I'd say the dell only b/c its the cheapest, but maybe someone can convince me otherwise?
January 23, 2007 1:59:54 AM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHGHGHAHAGAHHHHHHHHHH!! Too many choices. Will THG do a comparison?! I would love them too. Is there any showroom anywhere that shows these monitors in the same place at the same time?
a b C Monitor
January 23, 2007 2:09:37 AM

Ideal solution... find out the panel type on each (do lots of google searches). Then you will know the picture quality differences, though it won't tell you about response times.

Brightness is unimportant... and you can pretty much forget trusting what they say regarding contrast.
a b C Monitor
January 23, 2007 2:22:07 AM

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More importantly, the uniformity of the HP display was notably superior to the 3007WFP, though it's still not as good as we'd like to see.
Source: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2077916,00.a...

So, that would imply a better panel type on the HP than on the Dell. Also, note that Dell has changed panel types on at least one of their models, so you don't know what panel type you may get for that particular model; the same may apply to other models like the 30", though that is not for certain.

The HP is supposedly S-IPS:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1126144&page=...


The Samsung is supposedly PVA: http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/1004356278/ShowPost.asp...


The Apple might be an IPS variant:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1126144&page=...

So... the HP appears to be the best choice, considering price and panel type. However, this does not tell us response time. We have no way of knowing the real response time of these monitors without accurate tests.

Also, let me add one more time. Brightness is not important on any desktop LCD nowadays. You should not turn the monitor up that bright anyways. Also, you can pretty much forget trusting what the box says regarding contrast as they have pretty much messed up that spec too.
January 23, 2007 2:28:48 AM

i think brightness is important if it's too bright. The thing i've been reading everywhere about the apples is that the color is vibrant and more accurate than the dell and that the dell appears to be somewhat washed out, much like a lot of lcds. I have a cheap 18" and everything is way too bright, even with the brightness all the way down. I've never seen the dell in person, but i have seen the apple. The apple was gorgeous to look at. I would not expect the response times of any of these to be conducive to gaming. I'm gonna take a look at all of your links.
a b C Monitor
January 23, 2007 2:57:43 AM

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i think brightness is important if it's too bright. The thing i've been reading everywhere about the apples is that the color is vibrant and more accurate than the dell and that the dell appears to be somewhat washed out, much like a lot of lcds. I have a cheap 18" and everything is way too bright, even with the brightness all the way down. I've never seen the dell in person, but i have seen the apple. The apple was gorgeous to look at. I would not expect the response times of any of these to be conducive to gaming. I'm gonna take a look at all of your links.

If it's too bright, you can always turn it down. However, what I was trying to say was don't buy a monitor because it has a higher brightness.

As for accurate colors... you can get a color calibrator to calibrate the monitor. If you do serious image editing, you might want to consider getting a calibrator.
As for the Apple, having better colors, I can't say... They may have made special changes to it to make it a little better, so if you want to check into the Apple and/or order the HP to compare to the Apple, feel free. It may indeed have some enhancements.
January 23, 2007 1:28:01 PM

This doesn't really tell you much:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/peripherals/30inch-display-p...

I haven't really been able to find much of a comparison on them. From reading all of your links and the little bits i've found on the net I think I'd have to agree with you. Without being able to see them in person side by side, it sounds like the HP is the best choice. I still can't get over how sharp the apple looked in the stores though. wish i could see the others in a showroom, but no store seems to carry them.
a b C Monitor
January 23, 2007 4:29:38 PM

If the issue is just sharpness, then all LCDs that use DVI are gonna be sharp.
January 23, 2007 6:58:11 PM

The Dell monitor has a similar picture to the Apple display you saw. Just take that picture and put it in a black/grey frame for Dell. Why would I choose the Dell? Mainly because I have Dell monitors now and have had nothing but goo things to say about them. I have also seen the dell in action and it looks amazing. As far as gaming goes, Dell advertises this monitor as a gaming monitor. Games look excellent on it with no ghosting. Also, as I stated before, Dell is coming out with a revision of this monitor. Will it be better? one would hope. The price on the Dell is also hard to beat although the HP is nicely priced too.
January 24, 2007 2:01:25 AM

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The Dell monitor has a similar picture to the Apple display you saw. Just take that picture and put it in a black/grey frame for Dell. Why would I choose the Dell? Mainly because I have Dell monitors now and have had nothing but goo things to say about them. I have also seen the dell in action and it looks amazing. As far as gaming goes, Dell advertises this monitor as a gaming monitor. Games look excellent on it with no ghosting. Also, as I stated before, Dell is coming out with a revision of this monitor. Will it be better? one would hope. The price on the Dell is also hard to beat although the HP is nicely priced too.


The problem is this. For 2000 bucks, I can purchase a 50" panasonic plasma which is considered one of the better if not best plasmas around. I did some research when purchasing one for my mom about 10 months ago. I couldn't really justify spending the same on a 30" computer monitor. 1500 is probably an upper limit and 1275 is pretty much a steal.

I'd love to see what samsung has to offer, but paying 725 bucks more is probably not worth the price of admission.

Thats my take on it although I still have no idea which monitor is the best.

Like someone earlier said...


Maybe TOMS will do a review of the big 30" monitors

HINT HINT
a b C Monitor
January 24, 2007 2:09:17 PM

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The Dell monitor has a similar picture to the Apple display you saw. Just take that picture and put it in a black/grey frame for Dell. Why would I choose the Dell? Mainly because I have Dell monitors now and have had nothing but goo things to say about them. I have also seen the dell in action and it looks amazing. As far as gaming goes, Dell advertises this monitor as a gaming monitor. Games look excellent on it with no ghosting. Also, as I stated before, Dell is coming out with a revision of this monitor. Will it be better? one would hope. The price on the Dell is also hard to beat although the HP is nicely priced too.


The problem is this. For 2000 bucks, I can purchase a 50" panasonic plasma which is considered one of the better if not best plasmas around. I did some research when purchasing one for my mom about 10 months ago. I couldn't really justify spending the same on a 30" computer monitor. 1500 is probably an upper limit and 1275 is pretty much a steal.

I'd love to see what samsung has to offer, but paying 725 bucks more is probably not worth the price of admission.

Thats my take on it although I still have no idea which monitor is the best.

Like someone earlier said...


Maybe TOMS will do a review of the big 30" monitors

HINT HINT
But, then again, a computer monitor, of course, has a higher resolution and less "screen door" effect.
If you need the larger size for computer use, then it may be worth it. Then again, there is always the option of building your own projector for a computer screen. :) 
January 24, 2007 2:26:23 PM

I've taken a look at many hdtv's and none of them, imo, compare to the image quality you get from computer monitors. They may be cheaper, but there's a reason for it. I guess it all depends on what's important to you.
January 24, 2007 2:31:41 PM

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I've taken a look at many hdtv's and none of them, imo, compare to the image quality you get from computer monitors. They may be cheaper, but there's a reason for it. I guess it all depends on what's important to you.


Of course. Any half-wit knows that a TV makes a poor monitor unless you want to view it from 10 feet.... and who wants to do that?

The best entry level TV/PC monitor combo is a computer monitor at 24" + TV tuner card.
January 24, 2007 2:34:18 PM

Does the Dell 3007 support 1080p?
I know the res is 2560x1600 and it has real DVI-D inputs. But can it play video at full 1080p? The web-site did not say.
I am thinking about getting this monitor for PC and movie duty.
Thanks!
January 24, 2007 2:49:39 PM

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Does the Dell 3007 support 1080p?
I know the res is 2560x1600 and it has real DVI-D inputs. But can it play video at full 1080p? The web-site did not say.
I am thinking about getting this monitor for PC and movie duty.
Thanks!


Yes, if the video source is 1080p.
January 24, 2007 5:30:00 PM

Cool, thanks!
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