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AMD "Puma" Can't Compete With Core 2 Duo

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April 24, 2008 10:30:03 PM

Zagreb (Croatia) – This morning we received delicate details about AMD’s answer to Intel’s Montevina design from our moles in Taiwan. The information we received could get you concerned about the new mobile processor Griffin as well as the Puma platform.

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April 25, 2008 2:00:55 AM

Wow, just wow. It's like Fox news "balanced". It's as if Porsche came out and said fuel efficiency doesn't matter, and neither does performance, because the outside of the car is sexy and it matches the comfortable interior. Ok, we'll give the victory to Ferrari, because we can't compete with them (or Audi in more recent history).
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April 25, 2008 2:33:48 AM

Kyle, I'm with you and just dumbfounded at this news. "Wow, just wow", pretty much captures it. It sure doesn't sound good but we really have to wait and see actual performance and power consumption at different load levels. Maybe "platform performance" will be more than just marketing fluff.
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April 25, 2008 6:05:48 AM

Unless speed of work notebook is defined only by speed of the CPU? In HD-video, strongly will help the processor a chipset 780M. In games, to the processor also strongly will help 780M. I consider, that weak 3D just the strongest restriction in application notebook with what just will successfully consult 780M and that is not present now at Intel.
If together with mobile processor Intel to use a discrete graphic card it will strongly affect for the period of autonomy notebook, i.e. that for what notebook has been created.

P.S.
Sorry for my English, i'm from Russia.
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April 25, 2008 11:28:48 AM

Well we all know what the history of AMD is:
perfect "gaming"
and to offer a cheaper solution to the consumer.

But now they are losing their focus and don't really focus on what they are doing. They are falling more and more behind with CPU power(don't let me mention the problems and they can't even keep up with the "Core 2 Duo"). I for one am still a AMD fan, mainly because they haven't failed me in the past. Now I ask them don't fail me now....
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April 25, 2008 1:56:36 PM

After looking at some earlier articles again, this particular story doesn't say squat. In fact, it sounds more like THG jumping on a doom and gloom scenario without looking at the platform and it's design. Here's an article that talks a little about the "Power Express Technology" and how it switches between external and integrated graphics: http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1406. If you take this into account, the above article doesn't say anything about when power consumption is high so it's really not saying anything. They're just repeating rumors without any facts or explanation.
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April 25, 2008 2:05:26 PM

There is very little solid fact in this article. Alot of "so we hear" and "Our sources tell us it might". Basically all we know are model numbers, and a little about the processor architecture. Everything else has been stated to be speculation. I'll wait and see when the real numbers come out, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. They're recovering from the mess of merging with ATI, and are starting to get their momentum built up again.
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April 25, 2008 3:28:41 PM

Still everyone knows how good the 780G+Athlon X2 is...... so maybe its not that bad....
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April 25, 2008 3:29:00 PM

Sorry for my English, i'm from Russia.

Not to worry!! Your English is much better than my Russian.
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April 25, 2008 4:31:31 PM

^ There, there comrade enthusiast
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April 25, 2008 5:17:46 PM

ohh God is it impossible to hear something positive from AMD
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April 25, 2008 5:25:10 PM

^ 780G happy now?
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Anonymous
April 25, 2008 9:34:27 PM

The good news for Intel is that they are running at such low power that it allows then to build systems like the Apple Air, and Lenovo X300.
The good news for AMD is that they can cook your eggs for breakfast while you work with their laptops. I was at a best buy few days ago and I was touching the button of the laptops that were on display. The Intel systems were extremely cool to the touch while the AMD systems would be extremely hot even at idle. If you don?t believe me just next time your are at an electronic store give it a shot yourself. By the way most of the performance that 99% of people experience in laptops is associated with HD performance and not the CPU.
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April 25, 2008 11:43:23 PM

chechnyanohh God is it impossible to hear something positive from AMD
yes there is one thing the 4870 will be out soon and its a good bang for a buck :)  but on cpu run there indeed behind. graphics is going well if not soon even better then that of the competition. especialy amds low end solutions such as the IGP or dirt cheap high end 3850 do great. but for cpu's there behind. and on the most optimistic side of the story they will have by the end of the year a processor which can follow up with intels products with may be a margin of 5-15% diffrence? who knows most major bugs in the phenom are gone now and it seems they are increasing the clock speeds as well now with the B3 stepping.
i my self have a TL-56 in my notebook which actualy was a good deal for the price preformance since it had a good graphic card with it geforce 8600GS, and the intel competition did only offer a radeon 2300 for same price at that time.
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April 26, 2008 2:27:25 AM

I'm guessing AMD is losing focus here or they're putting their place up for grabs due to them not caring about CPU performance. I feel as if they have lost a lot since they merged with ATI, especially in regards of financial stability. Secondly, they have not come up with anything new for quite a while now, and the competition is really breaking apart. Remember when Intel used to clock their CPU's at 3.8GHz? That was because of AMD's competition. But now, the highest they've been to since the Core 2 series is up to 2.93GHz, regardless of Dual or Quad core. I am neither an Intel or AMD fan, rather I buy what's better, however, it seems AMD has gone way down in my list, and reading this report doesn't make it any better. It's disappointing.
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April 26, 2008 3:49:45 AM

I call BS on the power comment. I'm sure it isn't a heap better, but if it has the power plane technology of the K10, but the core of the K8, it should be consuming less power. The statement that it consumes more power than the Turion sounds like an exaggeration to me.

Rest of it sounds about right.
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April 26, 2008 4:29:32 AM

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The good news for Intel is that they are running at such low power that it allows then to build systems like the Apple Air, and Lenovo X300.
The good news for AMD is that they can cook your eggs for breakfast while you work with their laptops. I was at a best buy few days ago and I was touching the button of the laptops that were on display. The Intel systems were extremely cool to the touch while the AMD systems would be extremely hot even at idle. If you don?t believe me just next time your are at an electronic store give it a shot yourself. By the way most of the performance that 99% of people experience in laptops is associated with HD performance and not the CPU.


The macbook runs with a Core 2 and it burns!!! Explain that.........
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April 26, 2008 9:12:35 AM

Yo guys, clam down, I don't know is this actually a true fact or not or one of Intel fanboys is spoiling this. I wanted an PUMA + 780M, yeah who is actually spoiling this?
Let just wait for the real numbers, I especially hate rumors. This article really makes me wanna buy an Intel laptop with Nvidia GFX right now. So clam down.
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April 26, 2008 10:45:06 AM

^ don't know about you but I wanna wait until the benchies are out.........
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April 26, 2008 4:55:13 PM

MTLance said:
Yo guys, clam down ... So clam down.

Or oyster, whichever you perfer. :kaola: 
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April 26, 2008 5:01:05 PM

^ free food
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April 26, 2008 5:01:42 PM

^ oh wait I'm a vegetarian
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April 27, 2008 3:05:47 AM

KyleSTLOr oyster, whichever you perfer.
Oh I see you're an Intel fanboi. Uh huh, I was an Intel fanboy before but I'm neutral now.
Let's say I don't think you even got real proofs but just a piece of rumors to support ya don't ya? I suggest we'll wait and see.
Anyway if AMD epic fail this time then I'll have to get an Intel Peryn and GeForce GFX on a notebook.

http://www.hexus.tv/category.php?cat=36
KyleSTL here's some peanut butter for ya.
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April 27, 2008 3:21:39 AM

^ I was an AMD fangirl but now I'm neutral but still got a little bit of bias regarding HTPCs tho..........
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April 27, 2008 7:26:05 AM

OMG I haven't notice my spelling mistake. LOL. I must be drunk typing it. :D  Drunk words FTW. LMAO
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April 27, 2008 2:52:30 PM

Horsepower to cost ratio is the most important factor.

and everyone has different needs. if u just need websurfing, emailing, documents and non-hardcore gaming, i would say 780m might be a better deal.

though core 2 duos are really just too good. =) but i dont really need them. lol.
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April 28, 2008 1:54:02 AM

Fanboy, hardly. I built my girlfriend's computer with an AMD X2, and the one before that with an XP 2400+. I have had (in chronological order): Pentium Pro 100mhz, Pentium II 450mhz, Pentium 4 3.2ghz (current). I intend to rebuild my HTPC (the girlfriend's old AXP) with a 5000+ BE/780G combo. I will build my next desktop with Nehalem (as long as it's as good as I believe it will be, or AMD if they pull off a miracle in the next 12 months).

Calm ≠ clam. Thank you for [finally] understanding the joke. I'm not sure what you originally implied that my oyster comment meant.
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April 29, 2008 11:17:47 AM

Cheap laptop for gaming and movie watching will be definately based on 780G. I dont understand why people using their computers mainly for internet demands highest performance dual or quad core processors. Overkill. X2 have enough power for common things and its cheap...
Now Im building desktop for web browsing/text editing/casual gaming based on 780G and XP5000. Cheap as a bargain..
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April 29, 2008 11:23:23 AM

That's why you have one computer for gaming and another for browsing......
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April 29, 2008 11:09:05 PM

This is the same crummy article from the same bias author as this one....http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37116/135/

I would think Toms Hardware would have a higher standard for its news, and not be biased. The article title is just Intel PR.

The Turion X2 is not that far behind the C2D in actual computing power, but I always see morons saying a 2.5Ghz X2 is the same speed as a 2Ghz C2D. People just don't understand what criteria determines these ratings, so Intel lovers find benchmarks, like burning a CD in this specific program runs faster on my C2D.

I don't mind building an Intel based machine, but I don't like thier politics, and history of deepening their pockets with our money while they don't give us the best they can offer at fair prices. That is until AMD bit them in the ars!!

Just because an Intel machine puts the power button further from heat sources doesn't mean they don't get hot too. And what says its has anything to do with AMD, when it could be a Nvidia graphics card heating it up, or an OEMs crummy battery.

I can't wait to get a Puma platform notebook, holding out for it, and I'm hoping they are coming with HD3800 series graphics for a big surprise, or at least some 512MB GDDR3 HD3650s.
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April 30, 2008 5:25:19 AM

^ Exactly, you'll know how hot Macbook feels under your lap.......
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April 30, 2008 9:15:51 PM

fangirl: Is that a real quote about thunderman? If so, awesome.
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April 30, 2008 9:47:08 PM

you mean this one "I thought this thunderman fellow told me this A.M.D Company was winning" - macgirl (it is real) but not from thunderman
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Anonymous
September 22, 2008 10:47:57 AM

haha love the use of

bombastic!
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April 22, 2009 8:37:03 AM

you guys for the most part are just talking smack. Intel Fanboys will always do this. This forum thread is full of it, and I think that this group who posted this particular thread is a Fan of intel and are threatened on this new gen form factor AMD is beginning to push. remember when AMD brought the first true 64 bit core, yes they jumped in early. Now think here even if they said Cor 2 Duo will beat the current Puma, think about it, sense when did intel ever build a chipset to work perfectly with even there own graphics adaptions. AMD is just sitting low to see hwo there new Flagship is going to pan out. Personally I have one of these Puma Laptops, and they own, it would be nice to get it a tad cooler and have them develope a hardware monitor to control the fans better, but over all Intel is Begging for attention.

My System even now that it is about 1 year old still kicks but, owns every intel system on a gaming level, video, DVD, Audio, HD, SVGA to external Monitors, and battery life. I hate ATI Graphics so for me to brag about a laptop form using for the most part a ATI colaberated chipset says something. I get about 2.5 to abotu 3 hours of battery life when in High performance mode on the batter, when I am on low settings, I can go just about 4.5 to 5 hours using Wi-Fi on both. It's crazey, and I would bet that most of you talking the mad smack haven't even touched one for any amount of time but to see how hot it is while your at Best Buy Getting ripped off with 30% more retail cost then a average retail market. what freaks, talk smack but you can't back it up. Just wait AMD will bounce back as soon as they get ATI to follow there experience and stop trying to take there show away from them.


And Theo come on why would a Manufacture come out with a claim like that without a Plan B, AMD is owning and they are always bringing in new technologies Whats Intel Doing following the movement like MS does to Apple. In that Battle if Apple was cheaper and all would our Computer Prefs be what they are today? Probably not!!


My conclusion here is that there is a lot of talk, and these Puma Laptops are dominate, use less power, they do get a little warm, but a smal degrade on teh processing power and that is slight, Long batter life, Crispy graphical detail far better then Centrino, and now-a-days way cheap. My Config was some 1,800 1 year ago, now you can get some similar config for about 1 g. Now what you got to smack about? get your own, or shhh!!
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