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April 23, 2007 8:38:52 PM

hi a;;
I have to buy an LCD widescreen 17" or 19" or greater and i have got only 6 hours to decide..My price range is upto USD 320 (= Rs. 14000).
please suggest the best brands and/or models for the same.
mostly used for gaming and programming ( dot net, maya, 3d studio, C++ and such) and movies.
as such I am an LCD illiterate so please tell me what all I should be looking for in an LCD for the above purposes.
Till then I am reviewing many models. So far I have seen the reviews of the following screens:
1) viewsonic vx 1945wm, VA 1912 WB (both 19 ")
2) Acer AL1916WAB 19"
all of the above have a response time of 5ms with max. resolution of 1440*900.

Please tell me about native resolution also and also if there is a quality difference between VGA connection and DVI ( I mean b/w digital and analog).


this is a list of the monitors available in INDIA( but its not exhaustive, there may be more also)

L.G. 17" L1752S Rs10100
L.G. 19" L1952S Rs14000

SAMSUNG 15" 540N Rs8300
SAMSUNG 17" 740N Rs9900
SAMSUNG 19'' 940BW Rs14500

BENQ 17'' FP71E+ Rs9400
BENQ 19'' FP92W Rs13200

VIEWSONIC 15" VA503M Rs8400
VIEWSONIC 17" VA712 Rs9800
VIEWSONIC 19" VA1912WB Rs13900

SONY 17" SDM-E76D Rs12000
SONY 19" SDM-E96D Rs16500

ACER 17" 1700S Rs9400
ACER 19" AL1916W Rs13200

Please tell me which monitors among these i should go for(although you can and should suggest other monitors also)
I have to decide in about 6 hrs. or so, so please help me out.
thx in advance
April 23, 2007 9:26:48 PM

BenQ 19'' FP92W
L.G. 19" L1952S

Samsung 19'' 940BW

Viewsonic 19" VG1930VM


This is another list of which VG1930VM looks most promising..
any suggestions?????and is it widescreen or not?????

so I narrowed my search to viewsonic VX1945wm, va1912wb and vg1930Wm, samsung 940 bw 19" widescreen.
can anybody please tell me the difference between the latter two viewsonics as basic specs are same for both
and if you can suggest different brand and/or models u r most welcome.
please reply dudes!!!!!
April 23, 2007 10:11:03 PM

For work that involves color accuracy (like image editing, web pages, 3d work, etc...) you'll want to consider viewing angle. See if any of the monitors are not TN and consider those: options include PVA, MVA, and IPS in most cases. Unfortunately, this info is nowhere on the box, so you'll probably have to check by looking at the monitor with a solid color on the entire screen and see how bad the color shift to a different hue or brightness on different parts of the screen. Black or a blue might be a good picture to try.
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April 23, 2007 10:39:50 PM

Hey KevinAr18 thanx for the response.
But you know what I did not understand anything as I am an LCD illiterate, no offense. Can you please tell me in detail what you wanna say..I mean I did get what a viewing angle is but you did not mention how much that should be for my purposes...please supply some some details man..thx for the response though :p 
One thing I understood after reading the posts here that sometimes LCDs are not able to produce text clearly.Is that right.. And does a response time of 2 ms and 5 ms make a difference???
Also I have a geforce 7300 gt and it can run games at 1024*768 or a notch above at the max. And the max. resolutions for almost all the monitors listed above is 1440*900 which is way too much for my card to handle in most of the games. Is the max. resolution equal to native resolutiom??? If thats the case, will it cause noticeable differences if I play games at say 1024*768???
April 24, 2007 2:54:09 AM

Resolution: For the desktop you want to run the LCD at the native/max resolution. For games, it may not be quite as bad to run at a lower resolution.

Text: all LCDs should produce sharp images for their entire lifespan -- that is simply the nature of the technology. The only things that might cause this not to be true is a bad cable and/or signal conversion on the monitor, but that should be a pretty rare nowadays -- especially with a DVI connection.

Response time: 2ms vs 5ms should make no difference; it's a lie anyways -- the real response time is usually much different, so you can't really trust what the box says at all. Under 8m might be somewhat safe, and you could go even lower if you want to be safer (though the box is still lying to you).

Viewing angle: when you look at the monitor from the side, the colors will start to change. Even if you always face the monitor from the front, many panels will still show a slightly different color on the edge of the screen than in the center -- all because of viewing angle.

The cheaper panels (call TN) have noticeable issues with this. If you put up a solid black image on the screen, you will notice the bottom part of the screen to be lighter than the rest. For regular use this isn't too aweful for some people, but for image editing and programs the require accurate colors (like making web pages, 3d work, etc...) this is a problem. So... see if you can find a panel that doesn't have as noticeable of a problem in this area (by using a test image that is something like solid black or solid blue). The store may not have any of the better panel types, but you could always check.
April 24, 2007 11:57:40 AM

hey KevinAr18 thanx for the response..
so wat according to you should be the ideal viewing angle????
and also i have these 4 choices:
viewsonic vg1930wm (19", 1440*900, 5 ms), vg 2030wm(20",1680*1050, 5ms)
samsung 940 bw(19" 1440*900, 4 ms),
acer al2016wb(20", 8ms)
wat according to u is d best option.....they cost about the same
April 24, 2007 4:03:08 PM

Quote:
hey KevinAr18 thanx for the response..
so wat according to you should be the ideal viewing angle????

You can't really go by that, since it's pretty much a lie anyways. Pretty much everything on the box for LCD monitors is an outright lie or deceptive in some way. The only way to decide is to know the panel types: TN, MVA, PVA, AMVA, IPS. However, the manufacturers and the box almost never list this info -- even though it is the single most important piece of information in making an LCD purchase. If you see a really high viewing angle compared to other models in the store, it's possible that it is a higher quality panel (aka not a TN panel), though they could easily be lying about it.

Two websites to check
http://axofiber.no-ip.org/inside/monitor.lcd.panels.en....
http://lcdtech.no-ip.info/data/lcd.panels.htm

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and also i have these 4 choices:
viewsonic vg1930wm (19", 1440*900, 5 ms), vg 2030wm(20",1680*1050, 5ms)
samsung 940 bw(19" 1440*900, 4 ms),
acer al2016wb(20", 8ms)
wat according to u is d best option.....they cost about the same

vg1930wm - don't know panel type
vg 2030wm - don't know panel type
940bw - don't know panel type
acer - might be a TN, which I wouldn't suggest for your usage.

To really get a good panel, you usually have to order it online. However, if it must be purchased in a store, your only options are to:
1) call the manufacturer and ask them what the panel type is
2) look at the monitor in person and see if the colors shift a lot across the surface.
April 24, 2007 5:33:07 PM

Quote:
"... wat []is d best option.....they cost about the same


Of course they do. All have TN panels.

Nearly all widescreens have TN panels... exceptions would be Samsung 215T, NEC 20WMGX2, Viewsonic VP2130b.
April 24, 2007 6:57:03 PM

So, according to you I should not go for any of these models right??
and what do you say about vx922??? Is it also a TN panel??

and i got to know the following about TN panels here

and in the same article its mentioned that there are other panels in use also like MVA and IPS but they are expensive. How can I know what panel is being used as its nowhere mentioned in the specs??
Man, I didnt buy a monitor today as i was too confused..
At my location there are very few choices available limited to the four monitors I wrote about. those are the high ends available over here. some more inferior lcds are available like LGs (which are too expensive at the same time lol) etc.
out of the four I have almost decided the vg1930. Can anybody who has used it (or even seen it) tell me its pros and cons as far as my usage is concerned??

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Nearly all widescreens have TN panels

does that mean that the regular square (or 4:3) screens have other panels.please enlighten me.
April 24, 2007 7:29:27 PM

The 4:3 monitors are UXGA. The Samsung 204B has a TN panel, but all the rest have higher quality MVA, PVA, or SIPS. If your PRIMARY concern is either low response time or cost, you'll want one with TN panel. Otherwise, you'll want to avoid TN.
April 24, 2007 8:09:51 PM

so Hose wat do you think about vx922?? Its got TN panel or some other 1?

Quote:
mostly used for gaming and programming ( dot net, maya, 3d studio, C++ and such) and movies.

and for my usage will TN panel be an issue???
can you please jot down some cons for TN panel that appear in practical usage scenarios and not theoretically??
and it seems every viewsonic model no. has got two flavors: widescreen and regular. So should I expect to see some differences in both flavors for the same model no.????
so far you have been really helpful Hose. really appreciate that.. :p 
April 24, 2007 8:39:56 PM

1. The VX922 is one of the best liked gamer monitors.. and yes, it's TN.

2. TNs have less color fidelity and more color distortion when not viewed straight-on. If you're not sensitive to color accuracy or viewing angle, a TN will be OK for general use. I'm guessing that 90%+ of monitors available today are TN... that's to keep cost down. Whether a monitor is widescreen or "regular", its characteristics will be that of its panel.

The best contrast is usually found in PVA panels, the best colors in S-IPS.

No monitor has the best of everything. You have to decide on what's most important to you (or the best compromise) and live with its shortcomings.

If you're interested in a non-TN, perhaps you can tell the board your budget, size preference, and whether you want widescreen. (Personally, I prefer the 4:3 UXGA... that's wide enough for me.) I'm sure you'll be offered some good suggestions.
April 24, 2007 9:32:24 PM

The two links I gave earlier will provide you with an entire list of monitors to choose from. You can just pick all the non-TN ones in the size you want.

You can pretty much ignore the following:
brightness
contrast ratio

All you need to focus on is panel type (TN, MVA, PVA, AMVA, IPS) and response time (under 8ms might be ok, though they lie extensively about response times).

Hose's second point, pretty much sums up the problem with TN panels. The center of the screen might appear rgb 0,0,0 (black), while the bottom of the screen might appear rgb 12,12,12 (very dark, but not the same color). This means that you cannot do quality editing of graphics on a computer, whether 2D or 3D, because you never know if the color you see on one area of the screen is correct or just due to the viewing angle.
TN panels are worst at this.
MVA and PVA still have problems, but are better.
IPS is supposedly the only one to not have this problem (or at least has it the least).

So, if this is a major problem for you, you will probably want IPS. If you can handle just a little, then maybe the midrange MVA or PVA. If you don't think it's an issue, even though you are working with 3D graphics, then you can go with TN.


There is also, the issue of dithering on TN monitors, but if you can handle the viewing angle problem, then dithering might not be so bad either.
April 25, 2007 5:00:22 PM

heya,
vx 922 was not available in India, so I went for vg1930wm...amazzing monitor.....
thank you Hose and KevinAr18 for your response, I was able to decide on this amazing screen...Man what a difference between my old crappy 15' CRT and this one.. 8O
thank you both dudes...take care...
August 14, 2009 12:23:38 PM

Please don't buy LG M227WA or the 19 inches Monitor+LCDTV
The TV mode displays wrong color shades,
the DVI input & HDMI input doesn't display good text when connected to PC

The LG engineers displayed the same problem to all items in M227WA.
August 14, 2009 12:28:18 PM

Look at the fcuking date numbnuts.
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