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I have 512Meg of SDRAM lying about and I was thinking of things I could do with it. Suddenly I thought "how about making a RAM drive?", now I have no idea if this is possible and if so how. So I was wondering if you guys good gimme any input. Does any one know anywhere that sells PCB's that have RAM sockets, an IDE connection, and a bakcup battery? If so where?

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Ok so the only drive I can find is CENATEK's "RocketDrive" and this costs about $1600 which is a little out of my price range(I was thinking about $30). I dont understand why it costs so much, all they need is a chip to controll the RAM and interface with the PCI port...how expanesive can that be? I mean graphics cards have RAM for gods sake.

So heres my new idea, how about making a dedicated computer then using its RAM to make the RAM drive (apparently there are programs to do this). Then I connect this computer to my main computer via a gigabit network and share the MAP the RAM drive. Voila instant RAM drive.

Anyone think this will work/be worth it?

Reply to jammydodger

What exactly do you hope to use this 'RAM Drive' for?

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I've never heard of a RAM drive. What are they for? I've heard of USB Jump/Flash drive. Probably not even close.

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Reply to Pavelow

I RAM drive is basically a hard drive that uses RAM instead of a magnetic disk. The problem with RAM is it gets wipped when you turn off your computer, but RAM drives use battery back up or a different power supply to keep em going.

I was thinking of putting my OS on it, windows would load up increadibly fast then. I mean think about it the maximum transfer rate of a hard disk is about 50MB/sec. Even 133Mhz SDRAM can transfer at 1000MB/sec! + Hard disk access time is normally about 9ms while RAM is in the Nano seconds!

Reply to jammydodger

I believe I introduced you to the idea in another thread?

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That you did ned my son.

Reply to jammydodger

lol.

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OK. Gotit. I'll wait on the OS to load from the HDD. Gives me time to turn on the desk light and pull out my paperwork from the drawer.

I think you can take speed to a diminishing return, wouldn't you agree?

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Reply to Pavelow

Well its not just about boot times, putting windows on a RAM drive would mean any windows programs would load instantly. Internet explorer for example.

Reply to jammydodger

Ok I have found another manufacturer that makes these memory boards. However I cant find anywhere that sells them.
The companies web site is <A HREF="http://www.micromemory.com/contact.html" target="_new">http://www.micromemory.com/contact.html</A> and the product I was looking at is the MM-5410D. Can anyone find somewhere that sells this?

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Even 133Mhz SDRAM can transfer at 1000MB/sec



LOL, you're completely misguided on this one: A PCI slot only transfers at a maximum 133MB/s (some say 132MB/s, depends on whether you think of PCI as 33MHz or 33.3...MHz). So Windows would probably load 2-3 times as fast (taking reduced seek times into account), not instantly. And then you consider the processing time, Windows would probably load 2x faster at most.

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Those are 64-bit 66MHz cards mostly. That's 4x the transfer rate of a standard PCI bus, but would have to be backwards compatable to the standard bus in order to work on a standard PC motherboard. So you'd still get 133MB/s instead of 533MB/s.

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Yeh I just thought about that, I would have to get a 33Mhz 32Bit PCI card. (Im assuming normal PCI slots dont support 66Mhz?) Which would pretty much cripple my performance. What about my idea of setting aside a portion of RAM on my third computer and making that a RAM drive. A Gigabit connection would still give me 133Mb/sec, but im just wondering if network latency would make the speed increases redundant.

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I haven't used a RAM drive since the mid 90s. It was a way to make a really fast accessing drive. It was sorta handy.

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Where did you get yours from?

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I didn't make a dedicated system for one. I just allocated some of my system memory to make an F: drive, then copy a game in and play.

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I was thinking about doing that, but A)I dont want to leave my main system on all the time and B)I only have 512MB of RAM in my second system.
Thats why I want to do it on my third system, because it uses SDRAM and I should be able to get some cheap SD off ebay.

Really wanted an add in PCI card but i cant find anything cheap.

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couldn't they use pci-e or SATA interface, I would love to find one of these drives, I have found some for silly money but it doesn't seem like it should be that much? (needs mass production)

please let us know how the PC as ram drive goes as its v interesting idea

Reply to dougal

Yeh I have found 2 companies that do them, a 2GB PCI RAM drive costs £1600!!! It seems a little pricy for a PCI interface, a RAM controller and some SDRAM! I dont see how they can justify that.

Reply to jammydodger

woo... this was easier in the ms-dos days :P I remember gaming from that huge 2mb ramdrive :o

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ok did some lookin aswell and the term server applications and even military apps came up far too often for my wallet, tho this is the most comprehencive site i have found

http://www.storagesearch.com/ssd-buyers-guide.html

is it just me or is the fact that you could convert a whole PC to a net ram disk for a fraction of the cost seem silly?

i was thinking 4Gb ram 500ukp interface say... 1/4 of a M/board at 20ukp mobile fone batt @ 20ukp and a box to put it in... total 550ukp... still alot


update:
(prices from dabs.co.uk)
system:
server M/B (6xddr)=267ukp
xeon cpu 2ghz=136ukp
case & gpu=100ukp
total=503ukp

mem:
3gb=300ukp
6gb=780ukp
12gb=3,000ukp
24gb=12,600ukp and now im done...<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by dougal on 12/04/04 11:53 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

Reply to dougal

Yeh thats the problem, its so expensive and so unjustified. My idea =
2xGigabit network cards - £30
Old P2 450Mhz - free
1-2GB SDRAM (If I can get some) - 512 already got knows how much for more from Ebay

This would give me a networked RAM drive with 1-2Gb capacity and a maxium transfer speed of 130MB/s this is still 3 times faster than most conventional drives.

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Erm, I'd say double, not triple the speed. Anyway, the theory seems sound.

If you are using it for Windows is it possible to boot from a network drive?

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I was reading an article from one of my dads PC magazines that shows how to boot from a networked computer. I shows how to boot to DOS and it next months edition will show you how to boot to windows. Only problem is the bootable server needs to act as a DCHP server, which conflicts with my router. So I will have to put it on a different subnet to my main network. It is going to take a lot of work to get it up and running.

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Are you definatly going to give it a go?

Sounds like a cool project.

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Yeh I think so, as long as crosover cables work on gigabit networks. All I have to do is install a second network card in my main PC and try and find myself some cheap SDRAM...Anyone got any SDRAM going cheap in the UK?

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are you gonna boot windows from the net drive then?

Reply to dougal

Hopefully yes, either that or use the net drive for a swap file. But I will need at least 1.5Gig for that.

Reply to jammydodger

Ebay.co.uk - looks like you can get a gig for around £50 BuyitNow - So probably around £35 in Auction.



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Yeh but when I add that to the cost of the network cards thats about £60...hmmmmmm....we shall see. Might just try it with 512MB just to see if the performance increase is justified. Then if it is, I will get myself another gig (if the motherboard supports it).

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Ive seen s/ware about that copies the ram drive 2 HDD at idle which I think would be nessisary for windows (i fill find it when i get up 2morow), and i think booting from a net drive is easy enough, you will also need to write code to copy windows install to the ram drive when its booted...

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Ive seen s/ware about that copies the ram drive 2 HDD at idle which I think would be nessisary for windows


If you have any links to sites that provide this software that would be wicked.
Does anyone know if cross link cables work with gigabit network cards? What quality cable do I need for a gigabit network? Is cat5e fine?

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you will also need to write code to copy windows install to the ram drive when its booted...


Unfortunatly the only coding I have ever done was with delphi and visual basic. So that could prove to be a bit of a problem.

Reply to jammydodger

Actually I could just write a batch file that would transfer the files from the hard drive to the RAM drive couldnt I? And then run this on startup using win.ini#

...interesting

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I'm kinda late to the party, but you might want to check out this: <A HREF="http://www.hyperos2002.com/" target="_new">up to 16GB RAMdrive with ATA100 interface</A>. Main downside: 400GBP. It also has a second IDE port that allows it to back itself up. A few other cool features, too. Another downside: you still have your extra SDRAM to do nothing with.

EDIT: you actually can use your modules. The picture is the picture of the last-gen version (and I didn't read the full description).

Maxtor disgraces the six letters that make Matrox.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Vapor on 12/05/04 08:25 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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That looks interesting...

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Reply to RichPLS

£400 is a little outta my price range. I just dont understand why they cost so much! Ah well on with project REMOTE RAM DRIVE!

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16gigs of DDR RAM is not cheap.

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Reply to RichPLS

Yeh I understand why this one costs so much, but i was looking at 2GB cards that cost £1600! What I really want is a company that makes the cards but lets you install your own RAM. If they could make a card without RAM for about £60 then I would'nt hesitate to buy it.

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link for (mirror to ram) software

http://www.superspeed.com/servers/supervolume.php

also from ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d [...] 82442&rd=1

dunno if that would work in a norma comp tho

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by dougal on 12/06/04 03:42 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

Reply to dougal

Unfortunatly that program looks about as expensive as the RAM drives I was looking to buy, lol.
How hard would it be to write a small program that copies the contents of one drive to another location when the computer is idle?

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lol oh yeah didn't notice (or look for) the price, force of habit. I will try to find a program for free...

Reply to dougal

Send it to me and I'll put it in my stepkid's computer.

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Reply to Ned_Flanders

You wouldnt be encouraging me to do anything illegal would you Ned? :tongue:

Out of the kindness of his heart my Dad ordered me 3 gigabit network cards and a gigabit switch. So I will be able to get started on my RAM drive tomorrow hopefully. Woo!

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Why not just plug in a USB external device like a memory stick? It's non volatile to boot and probably cheaper than any specialty board u can buy?

It will of course be limited by the USB speeds rather than PCI or PCI-e speeds.

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Reply to Flinx

The whole point of the exercise is to get the fastest hard disk possible. USB has a maximum transfer rate of 480Mb's which is only 60MB/sec...not much better than what a hard disk can provide.

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ok I have found the S/ware please send me a private msg (or just post) with your email add

I have various ver W2k & XP all together abt 25Mb Supercache looks the way to go...

all s/ware is for evaluation purposes only blah blah blah... ;o)

Reply to dougal

Love the topic: lightning fast storage access. Realized the tremendous speed increase possible with RAM instead of HDDs a long time ago.

Hmmm, how bout the latest Firewire? sorry, don't know any firewire-stick-drive-thingys, but just adding to the brainstorm. I believe firewire B is up to 1.2Gbps... o nevermind my textbook says nothing manufactured yet for it. (its just "designed" for that speed) And in reply to the class of cable for gigabit, 5e is required for gigabit.

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At least for CF and SD, it has limited writes (like a few thousand or something--DEF not good for something like this!!). Not to mention the limited bus speed 60MB/s is way over what you actually get from USB2, anyway).

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