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Anonymous
July 12, 2005 9:56:25 PM

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There is this yutz who is making a claim of getting Win-XP Pro from
E-bay for $55. I am highly skeptical, especially when he told me
that he does not even need to activate it. Sounds phony to me but I
need a bit more to make sure.

Is it true that the Corporate version does not require activation,
maybe that is what he got?

How about any hooks that Microsoft puts on the software - The
holograph could not be duplicated, at least as far as I know unless
it is a very sophisticated operation.

What other anti-theft hooks can I inquire about, I almost have him
convinced it is a pirate copy but need to get a slam-dunk.

Ciao,
Falcon
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Ciao,
Falcon
Anonymous
July 12, 2005 10:49:01 PM

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You might also want to ask him if the copy he is selling is an OEM (Original
Equipment Manufacturer) version or a FULL RETAIL version. If it is an OEM
copy of the software then it would not need to be activated since it was only
meant to be installed on the computer that it came with. The other thing
that you could ask him for is the part number of the product that he is
selling since they should all be the same for a particular release of Windows
XP.

"Falcon" wrote:

> There is this yutz who is making a claim of getting Win-XP Pro from
> E-bay for $55. I am highly skeptical, especially when he told me
> that he does not even need to activate it. Sounds phony to me but I
> need a bit more to make sure.
>
> Is it true that the Corporate version does not require activation,
> maybe that is what he got?
>
> How about any hooks that Microsoft puts on the software - The
> holograph could not be duplicated, at least as far as I know unless
> it is a very sophisticated operation.
>
> What other anti-theft hooks can I inquire about, I almost have him
> convinced it is a pirate copy but need to get a slam-dunk.
>
> Ciao,
> Falcon
> --
> Ciao,
> Falcon
>
Anonymous
July 12, 2005 11:31:04 PM

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Falcon wrote:
> There is this yutz who is making a claim of getting Win-XP Pro from
> E-bay for $55.


He may well have done so, but it's not likely to be a legitimate
license, at that price, unless the seller was really desperate.


> I am highly skeptical, especially when he told me
> that he does not even need to activate it. Sounds phony to me but I
> need a bit more to make sure.
>


Your skepticism seems to be well-founded. One should be very careful
buying any software on eBay, as eBay makes no prior effort to ensure
that such sales are legitimate; they react only when someone files a
complaint. (And then all that really happens is the seller of the
pirated software returns using a different alias, to continue selling
illegitimate licenses.)


> Is it true that the Corporate version does not require activation,
> maybe that is what he got?
>


Actually, there is no such thing as WinXP "Corporate Edition." That is
a term applied exclusively to pirated (iow, stolen) copies of the Volume
Licensed WinXP Pro by the "warez" aficionados. It's true that the Volume
Licensed version of WinXP Pro doesn't need activation, but this product
is available only through specifically licensed vendors, and one must
purchase a minimum of 5 licenses. Further, the VL license is only an
upgrade; you must already own a license for the qualifying products.


> How about any hooks that Microsoft puts on the software - The
> holograph could not be duplicated, at least as far as I know unless
> it is a very sophisticated operation.
>
> What other anti-theft hooks can I inquire about, I almost have him
> convinced it is a pirate copy but need to get a slam-dunk.
>


Licensing: How to Tell
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows...


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Anonymous
July 12, 2005 11:31:05 PM

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Many thanks to all who responded, I just picked this post to respond
to everyone. I am better educated now and can see if the yutz will
pony up any real evidence or not about his E-bay "bargain."

Ciao,
Falcon

On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:31:04 -0600, Bruce Chambers
<bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:

>Falcon wrote:
>> There is this yutz who is making a claim of getting Win-XP Pro from
>> E-bay for $55.
>
>
> He may well have done so, but it's not likely to be a legitimate
>license, at that price, unless the seller was really desperate.
>
>
>> I am highly skeptical, especially when he told me
>> that he does not even need to activate it. Sounds phony to me but I
>> need a bit more to make sure.
>>
>
>
> Your skepticism seems to be well-founded. One should be very careful
>buying any software on eBay, as eBay makes no prior effort to ensure
>that such sales are legitimate; they react only when someone files a
>complaint. (And then all that really happens is the seller of the
>pirated software returns using a different alias, to continue selling
>illegitimate licenses.)
>
>
>> Is it true that the Corporate version does not require activation,
>> maybe that is what he got?
>>
>
>
> Actually, there is no such thing as WinXP "Corporate Edition." That is
>a term applied exclusively to pirated (iow, stolen) copies of the Volume
>Licensed WinXP Pro by the "warez" aficionados. It's true that the Volume
>Licensed version of WinXP Pro doesn't need activation, but this product
>is available only through specifically licensed vendors, and one must
>purchase a minimum of 5 licenses. Further, the VL license is only an
>upgrade; you must already own a license for the qualifying products.
>
>
>> How about any hooks that Microsoft puts on the software - The
>> holograph could not be duplicated, at least as far as I know unless
>> it is a very sophisticated operation.
>>
>> What other anti-theft hooks can I inquire about, I almost have him
>> convinced it is a pirate copy but need to get a slam-dunk.
>>
>
>
>Licensing: How to Tell
>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows...

--
Ciao,
Falcon
Anonymous
July 12, 2005 11:43:07 PM

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:49:01 -0700, "Cliff"
<Cliff@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>You might also want to ask him if the copy he is selling is an OEM (Original
>Equipment Manufacturer) version or a FULL RETAIL version. If it is an OEM
>copy of the software then it would not need to be activated since it was only
>meant to be installed on the computer that it came with.

This could be fun in a "you learned a lesson" sort of way. Does this
mean it (OEM version) will not install on another brand (another
configuration) machine?

--
Ciao,
Falcon
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 12:32:34 AM

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Falcon wrote:
> There is this yutz who is making a claim of getting Win-XP Pro from
> E-bay for $55. I am highly skeptical, especially when he told me
> that he does not even need to activate it. Sounds phony to me but I
> need a bit more to make sure.
>
> Is it true that the Corporate version does not require activation,
> maybe that is what he got?
>
> How about any hooks that Microsoft puts on the software - The
> holograph could not be duplicated, at least as far as I know unless
> it is a very sophisticated operation.
>
> What other anti-theft hooks can I inquire about, I almost have him
> convinced it is a pirate copy but need to get a slam-dunk.

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/YourPC.mspx
Or better yet:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/default...

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Anonymous
July 13, 2005 12:35:21 AM

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There is no such thing as a "corporate" version of Windows XP.
Likely, you'll purchase a "pirated" copy that is ineligible for updates
and is 100% illegal. Purchase Windows XP from a reputable company.

Example:

Microsoft Windows XP Pro with SP2 Upgrade Software
http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=37-116-...

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Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

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http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/window...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Falcon" wrote:

| There is this yutz who is making a claim of getting Win-XP Pro from
| E-bay for $55. I am highly skeptical, especially when he told me
| that he does not even need to activate it. Sounds phony to me but I
| need a bit more to make sure.
|
| Is it true that the Corporate version does not require activation,
| maybe that is what he got?
|
| How about any hooks that Microsoft puts on the software - The
| holograph could not be duplicated, at least as far as I know unless
| it is a very sophisticated operation.
|
| What other anti-theft hooks can I inquire about, I almost have him
| convinced it is a pirate copy but need to get a slam-dunk.
|
| Ciao,
| Falcon
| --
| Ciao,
| Falcon
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 2:20:52 AM

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Falcon wrote:
> There is this yutz who is making a claim of getting Win-XP Pro from
> E-bay for $55. I am highly skeptical, especially when he told me
> that he does not even need to activate it. Sounds phony to me but I
> need a bit more to make sure.
>
> Is it true that the Corporate version does not require activation,
> maybe that is what he got?
>
> How about any hooks that Microsoft puts on the software - The
> holograph could not be duplicated, at least as far as I know unless
> it is a very sophisticated operation.
>
> What other anti-theft hooks can I inquire about, I almost have him
> convinced it is a pirate copy but need to get a slam-dunk.
>
> Ciao,
> Falcon

MS has only published two VL Product IDs that have been pirated. If the
ebay copy doesn't have one of the two Product IDs, then you cannot get a
"slam-dunk."

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Anonymous
July 13, 2005 10:35:19 AM

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Hello Bruce,

There is actually a volume license or "enterprise" version of XP that is not
an upgrade. It does not need to be activated, but does need a key just as
any XP install would.


"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
news:%23gvWJq0hFHA.2180@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Falcon wrote:
>> There is this yutz who is making a claim of getting Win-XP Pro from
>> E-bay for $55.
>
>
> He may well have done so, but it's not likely to be a legitimate license,
> at that price, unless the seller was really desperate.
>
>
>> I am highly skeptical, especially when he told me
>> that he does not even need to activate it. Sounds phony to me but I
>> need a bit more to make sure.
>>
>
>
> Your skepticism seems to be well-founded. One should be very careful
> buying any software on eBay, as eBay makes no prior effort to ensure that
> such sales are legitimate; they react only when someone files a complaint.
> (And then all that really happens is the seller of the pirated software
> returns using a different alias, to continue selling illegitimate
> licenses.)
>
>
>> Is it true that the Corporate version does not require activation,
>> maybe that is what he got?
>>
>
>
> Actually, there is no such thing as WinXP "Corporate Edition." That is a
> term applied exclusively to pirated (iow, stolen) copies of the Volume
> Licensed WinXP Pro by the "warez" aficionados. It's true that the Volume
> Licensed version of WinXP Pro doesn't need activation, but this product is
> available only through specifically licensed vendors, and one must
> purchase a minimum of 5 licenses. Further, the VL license is only an
> upgrade; you must already own a license for the qualifying products.
>
>
>> How about any hooks that Microsoft puts on the software - The
>> holograph could not be duplicated, at least as far as I know unless
>> it is a very sophisticated operation.
>>
>> What other anti-theft hooks can I inquire about, I almost have him
>> convinced it is a pirate copy but need to get a slam-dunk.
>>
>
>
> Licensing: How to Tell
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/windows...
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
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Anonymous
July 13, 2005 10:38:09 AM

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Said it before, I'll say it again. There is a corporate version. A legal
version that does not require activation.



"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:uM%23ojs0hFHA.2180@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> There is no such thing as a "corporate" version of Windows XP.
> Likely, you'll purchase a "pirated" copy that is ineligible for updates
> and is 100% illegal. Purchase Windows XP from a reputable company.
>
> Example:
>
> Microsoft Windows XP Pro with SP2 Upgrade Software
> http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=37-116-...
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User
> Microsoft Newsgroups
>
> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/window...
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Falcon" wrote:
>
> | There is this yutz who is making a claim of getting Win-XP Pro from
> | E-bay for $55. I am highly skeptical, especially when he told me
> | that he does not even need to activate it. Sounds phony to me but I
> | need a bit more to make sure.
> |
> | Is it true that the Corporate version does not require activation,
> | maybe that is what he got?
> |
> | How about any hooks that Microsoft puts on the software - The
> | holograph could not be duplicated, at least as far as I know unless
> | it is a very sophisticated operation.
> |
> | What other anti-theft hooks can I inquire about, I almost have him
> | convinced it is a pirate copy but need to get a slam-dunk.
> |
> | Ciao,
> | Falcon
> | --
> | Ciao,
> | Falcon
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 12:05:12 PM

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Would you care to visit www.microsoft.com and find a link
to the "corporate" version of Windows XP? It does not exist!

A "Volume License" version of Windows XP does exist, does
not require Product Activation, can be purchased only if you
purchase a minimum of five licenses, and is not called "corporate".

--
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Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/window...

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Manny Borges" incorrectly wrote:

| Said it before, I'll say it again. There is a corporate version. A legal
| version that does not require activation.
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 3:00:23 PM

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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> Would you care to visit www.microsoft.com and find a link
> to the "corporate" version of Windows XP? It does not exist!
>
> A "Volume License" version of Windows XP does exist, does
> not require Product Activation, can be purchased only if you
> purchase a minimum of five licenses, and is not called "corporate".

VL is often called "corporate." MS just doesn't call it that, but many
of its customers do.

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July 13, 2005 7:23:08 PM

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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Would you care to visit www.microsoft.com and find a link
> to the "corporate" version of Windows XP? It does not exist!

That would only mean it isn't referenced on MS' site, not that it "does not
exist".

> A "Volume License" version of Windows XP does exist,

You're changing the subject. Tombraider exists too and doesn't require
activation.

Alias

does
> not require Product Activation, can be purchased only if you
> purchase a minimum of five licenses, and is not called "corporate".
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP - Shell/User
> Microsoft Newsgroups
>
> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/window...
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Manny Borges" incorrectly wrote:
>
> | Said it before, I'll say it again. There is a corporate version. A legal
> | version that does not require activation.
>
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 7:39:21 PM

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In news:eJxH4b5hFHA.2644@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
Manny Borges <manny_borges@hotmail.com> typed:

> Said it before, I'll say it again. There is a corporate
> version. A
> legal version that does not require activation.


It doesn't matter how many times you say it, it is *not* correct.

There *is* a legal version that is sold to corporations, and
doesn't require activation. It's called a volume licensed
version.

There is *no* version that is called "corporate version." The
term "corporate version" is used almost exclusively to refer to
pirated versions.

--
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Please reply to the newsgroup


> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
> message
> news:uM%23ojs0hFHA.2180@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> There is no such thing as a "corporate" version of Windows XP.
>> Likely, you'll purchase a "pirated" copy that is ineligible
>> for
>> updates and is 100% illegal. Purchase Windows XP from a
>> reputable
>> company. Example:
>>
>> Microsoft Windows XP Pro with SP2 Upgrade Software
>> http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=37-116-...
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows XP - Shell/User
>> Microsoft Newsgroups
>>
>> Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security
>> Technologies:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/window...
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "Falcon" wrote:
>>
>>> There is this yutz who is making a claim of getting Win-XP
>>> Pro from
>>> E-bay for $55. I am highly skeptical, especially when he
>>> told me
>>> that he does not even need to activate it. Sounds phony to
>>> me but I
>>> need a bit more to make sure.
>>>
>>> Is it true that the Corporate version does not require
>>> activation,
>>> maybe that is what he got?
>>>
>>> How about any hooks that Microsoft puts on the software - The
>>> holograph could not be duplicated, at least as far as I know
>>> unless
>>> it is a very sophisticated operation.
>>>
>>> What other anti-theft hooks can I inquire about, I almost
>>> have him
>>> convinced it is a pirate copy but need to get a slam-dunk.
>>>
>>> Ciao,
>>> Falcon
>>> --
>>> Ciao,
>>> Falcon
July 13, 2005 8:09:16 PM

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> VL is often called "corporate." MS just doesn't call it that, but many
> of its customers do.

In the case of "corporate" for "customers" read "pirates"!
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 8:09:17 PM

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We call it "corporate", we're a "customer", we paid for it, and are not
pirates.

Tom
"Gordon" <gordon@gbpcomputing.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
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| "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
| news:#pdOyu7hFHA.3436@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| > VL is often called "corporate." MS just doesn't call it that, but many
| > of its customers do.
|
| In the case of "corporate" for "customers" read "pirates"!
|
|
|
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 8:09:17 PM

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Gordon wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:#pdOyu7hFHA.3436@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> VL is often called "corporate." MS just doesn't call it that, but
>> many of its customers do.
>
> In the case of "corporate" for "customers" read "pirates"!

Yeah, if you are in the habit of judging people without any evidence to
support your judgement.

And as the good book says, "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

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July 13, 2005 9:32:36 PM

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"Gordon" got on his high moral horse and wrote

> "kurttrail" wrote
>> VL is often called "corporate." MS just doesn't call it that, but many
>> of its customers do.
>
> In the case of "corporate" for "customers" read "pirates"!

Not to mention a great price! I was thinking the other day and, you know, XP
retail is the most expensive thing on a computer, even if one has a TFT
monitor. As far as I am concerned MS are highway robbers charging so much
for a "licence" to use software that one doesn't even own.

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Anonymous
July 14, 2005 12:15:46 AM

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Ken Blake wrote:
> In news:eJxH4b5hFHA.2644@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl,
> Manny Borges <manny_borges@hotmail.com> typed:
>
>> Said it before, I'll say it again. There is a corporate
>> version. A
>> legal version that does not require activation.
>
>
> It doesn't matter how many times you say it, it is *not* correct.
>
> There *is* a legal version that is sold to corporations, and
> doesn't require activation. It's called a volume licensed
> version.
>
> There is *no* version that is called "corporate version." The
> term "corporate version" is used almost exclusively to refer to
> pirated versions.

Not true. Many people refer to VL as corporate. MS doesn't, but the
last time I looked MS isn't a people.

Until XP, "corporate" was used mostly to refer to VL copies of Windows.
Since XP, those that used the term "corporate" to refer to VL, still use
it.

Only people that are ignorant automatically assume that "corporate"
means "pirated."

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Anonymous
July 14, 2005 12:15:47 AM

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Thank you, Kurt.

Tom
|
| Not true. Many people refer to VL as corporate. MS doesn't, but the
| last time I looked MS isn't a people.
|
| Until XP, "corporate" was used mostly to refer to VL copies of Windows.
| Since XP, those that used the term "corporate" to refer to VL, still use
| it.
|
| Only people that are ignorant automatically assume that "corporate"
| means "pirated."
|
| --
| Peace!
| Kurt
| Self-anointed Moderator
| microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
| http://microscum.com/mscommunity
| "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
| "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"
|
|
Anonymous
July 14, 2005 1:19:12 AM

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Tom Pepper Willett wrote:
> Thank you, Kurt.

You're welcome, Tom.

Too many people around here assume piracy on no evidence whatsoever.

Unless a person comes out and says that "I use Pirated Windows" or "I
distribute Windows to others without the copyright owners permission,"
people should be extremely cautious about throwing around the P-word
willy-nilly.

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Anonymous
July 14, 2005 3:47:23 AM

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After sticking his head out from his XP firewall, Alias had this to say:

>
> "Gordon" got on his high moral horse and wrote
>
>> "kurttrail" wrote
>>> VL is often called "corporate." MS just doesn't call it that, but many
>>> of its customers do.
>>
>> In the case of "corporate" for "customers" read "pirates"!
>
> Not to mention a great price! I was thinking the other day and, you know,
> XP retail is the most expensive thing on a computer, even if one has a TFT
> monitor. As far as I am concerned MS are highway robbers charging so much
> for a "licence" to use software that one doesn't even own.
>
And frankly doesn't even need.


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July 15, 2005 1:30:12 PM

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Tom Pepper Willett wrote:
> > Thank you, Kurt.
>
> You're welcome, Tom.
>
> Too many people around here assume piracy on no evidence whatsoever.

Ah but I'm a Linux troll.......<bg>
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 1:30:13 PM

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Gordon wrote:
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:o iqkkIBiFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Tom Pepper Willett wrote:
>>> Thank you, Kurt.
>>
>> You're welcome, Tom.
>>
>> Too many people around here assume piracy on no evidence whatsoever.
>
> Ah but I'm a Linux troll.......<bg>

Cool! Go type some arcane syntax into a command line. ;-)

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July 15, 2005 5:42:37 PM

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Gordon wrote:
> > "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> > message news:o iqkkIBiFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >> Tom Pepper Willett wrote:
> >>> Thank you, Kurt.
> >>
> >> You're welcome, Tom.
> >>
> >> Too many people around here assume piracy on no evidence whatsoever.
> >
> > Ah but I'm a Linux troll.......<bg>
>
> Cool! Go type some arcane syntax into a command line. ;-)
>

You mean something like:
$ export GLOBAL_CFLAGS="-I/usr/include -L/home/guenter/xine_libs"
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 5:42:38 PM

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"Gordon" <gordon@gbpcomputing.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
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> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
> news:o M4y1eTiFHA.1148@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Gordon wrote:
> > > "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> > > message news:o iqkkIBiFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > >> Tom Pepper Willett wrote:
> > >>> Thank you, Kurt.
> > >>
> > >> You're welcome, Tom.
> > >>
> > >> Too many people around here assume piracy on no evidence whatsoever.
> > >
> > > Ah but I'm a Linux troll.......<bg>
> >
> > Cool! Go type some arcane syntax into a command line. ;-)
> >
>
> You mean something like:
> $ export GLOBAL_CFLAGS="-I/usr/include -L/home/guenter/xine_libs"
>

ack !! That looks just like something I would put in a make file in my unix
world ...
July 15, 2005 7:25:06 PM

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"Mike Fields" <spam_me_not_mr.gadget2@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Gordon" <gordon@gbpcomputing.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
> news:uwDHsqTiFHA.708@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
> > news:o M4y1eTiFHA.1148@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > Gordon wrote:
> > > > "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
> > > > message news:o iqkkIBiFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > >> Tom Pepper Willett wrote:
> > > >>> Thank you, Kurt.
> > > >>
> > > >> You're welcome, Tom.
> > > >>
> > > >> Too many people around here assume piracy on no evidence
whatsoever.
> > > >
> > > > Ah but I'm a Linux troll.......<bg>
> > >
> > > Cool! Go type some arcane syntax into a command line. ;-)
> > >
> >
> > You mean something like:
> > $ export GLOBAL_CFLAGS="-I/usr/include -L/home/guenter/xine_libs"
> >
>
> ack !! That looks just like something I would put in a make file in my
unix
> world ...
>
>

Well Linux IS a derivative of Unix, after all......
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 8:31:35 PM

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After sticking his head out from his XP firewall, kurttrail had this to say:

> Gordon wrote:
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in
>> message news:o iqkkIBiFHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> Tom Pepper Willett wrote:
>>>> Thank you, Kurt.
>>>
>>> You're welcome, Tom.
>>>
>>> Too many people around here assume piracy on no evidence whatsoever.
>>
>> Ah but I'm a Linux troll.......<bg>
>
> Cool! Go type some arcane syntax into a command line. ;-)
>
Do you mean like this?

ntbackup backup \\iggy-multi\c$ /m normal /j "My Job 1" /p "Backup" /n
"Command Line Backup 1" /d "Command Line
Functionality" /v:yes /r:no /l:s /rs:no /hc:o n

Oops, I guess not, that's a XP commandline, that doesn't contain any "arcane
syntax".


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