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echofoxtrot
January 17, 2008 10:15:34 PM
heres the story-
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/01/17/don_t_say_goodby...
This story is ill concieved, misinformed and flat out flame bait. Not once did the author's opinion even come close to a viable point, nor was his argument called for or even justified. It is articles like this that only hurt the consumer b/c some joe nobody might stumble across it--takes its idiocracy for fact-- and go and buy a hd-dvd player, further perpetuating the dual format nonsense. IT WAS CLEAR AT CES WHICH SIDE THE HD MARKET HAS GONE TO. Let it die. Let the consumer now reap the benefits of a lossless choice when it comes to a next gen format. No buying today and be sorry tomorrow. I apologize to those early adopters who got burned, but thats tech--plain and simple. And in this case the greater good goes toward burning down the hd-dvd camp while its still a shanty town--rather than waiting to screw over thousands more that might adopt in the near future and be completely screwed when hd-dvd finally ceases to exist!
My last thought--How much money did tom's hardware recieve from HD-DVD to print this crap? I turn to bit-tech.net more and more and it pains me...
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/01/17/don_t_say_goodby...
This story is ill concieved, misinformed and flat out flame bait. Not once did the author's opinion even come close to a viable point, nor was his argument called for or even justified. It is articles like this that only hurt the consumer b/c some joe nobody might stumble across it--takes its idiocracy for fact-- and go and buy a hd-dvd player, further perpetuating the dual format nonsense. IT WAS CLEAR AT CES WHICH SIDE THE HD MARKET HAS GONE TO. Let it die. Let the consumer now reap the benefits of a lossless choice when it comes to a next gen format. No buying today and be sorry tomorrow. I apologize to those early adopters who got burned, but thats tech--plain and simple. And in this case the greater good goes toward burning down the hd-dvd camp while its still a shanty town--rather than waiting to screw over thousands more that might adopt in the near future and be completely screwed when hd-dvd finally ceases to exist!
My last thought--How much money did tom's hardware recieve from HD-DVD to print this crap? I turn to bit-tech.net more and more and it pains me...
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d_kuhn
January 18, 2008 1:40:13 PM
Well I think the article wasn't nearly that bad... but there's too much wishful thinking in it to give it much credence. Typically when I see someone attempt to minimize or discount the impact of the PS3 on the format war I automatically assume they've got an agenda to prop up HD-DVD.
The facts speak louder than any columnist can... the HUGE title sales advantage... 2:1 since last summer and increasing... that Blu-Ray has over HD-DVD is only explained by attributing the MAJORITY of Blu-Ray sales to PS3 owners.
Unless the author is going to try to tell us that the few Blu-Ray standalone users out there are buying 8-10 movies for every one bought by HD-DVD users.
Now the other argument hinted at by the author is that the low market penetration for HD formats means that the sales numbers are meaningless. I disagree there too, the fact that the HD-DVD gang was willing to bribe a publisher to go to their camp, and their poor sales over the holiday have obviously caused them real problems means that the current sales numbers ARE important.
Personally, I think Sony made a marketing decision to use the PS3 as a mechanism to insure they won the format war - and I believe it will work... PROBABLY this year. On the downside, that choice has added enormous cost to a unit that as a gaming machine has significant other challenges (difficulty for game developers being the most serious), and in all likelyhood will insure that the unit ends up a distant third in the console war. I don't think it was a good decision on their part (and their shareholders likely agree wholeheartedly), but only time will tell on that front.
It makes me wonder if the movie guys at Sony jammed their needs down the gaming guy's throats.
The facts speak louder than any columnist can... the HUGE title sales advantage... 2:1 since last summer and increasing... that Blu-Ray has over HD-DVD is only explained by attributing the MAJORITY of Blu-Ray sales to PS3 owners.
Unless the author is going to try to tell us that the few Blu-Ray standalone users out there are buying 8-10 movies for every one bought by HD-DVD users.
Now the other argument hinted at by the author is that the low market penetration for HD formats means that the sales numbers are meaningless. I disagree there too, the fact that the HD-DVD gang was willing to bribe a publisher to go to their camp, and their poor sales over the holiday have obviously caused them real problems means that the current sales numbers ARE important.
Personally, I think Sony made a marketing decision to use the PS3 as a mechanism to insure they won the format war - and I believe it will work... PROBABLY this year. On the downside, that choice has added enormous cost to a unit that as a gaming machine has significant other challenges (difficulty for game developers being the most serious), and in all likelyhood will insure that the unit ends up a distant third in the console war. I don't think it was a good decision on their part (and their shareholders likely agree wholeheartedly), but only time will tell on that front.
It makes me wonder if the movie guys at Sony jammed their needs down the gaming guy's throats.
echofoxtrot
January 23, 2008 5:53:16 PM
...and today there is yet another article on toms talking about saving hd-dvd. at first this site's insistence on the format was funny but now its just fanboyish. Stop posting worthless stories trying to save hd-dvd. LET IT DIE. You cannot tell me there was no sinister motive to publishing a story and placing it on the top of the website indicating there is an online petition circulating looking for sig's. Wow--how strange is that--you post a link to it right in your article, im sure that wasnt intended so that people will sign it -- further perpetuating this dual format nonsense. great job. Oh and the industry isnt decided by how many signatures are collected for either side--but by buyer attachment to the tech--and consumer spending, which is where blu-ray is clearly the victor. C'mon--go trade in your hd dvd player for blu ray Mark Raby-- or is the path blocked by your collection of lazerdisks and betamax tapes???
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techguy911
February 15, 2008 6:12:08 PM
The proof is in the news goodbye hd-dvd:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/15/technology/wal-mart_blu-ray/index.htm?cnn=yes
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/15/industry_publications_hint_at_toshiba_dropping_hd_dvd/
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=12100
http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/15/technology/wal-mart_blu-ray/index.htm?cnn=yes
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/15/industry_publications_hint_at_toshiba_dropping_hd_dvd/
http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=12100
techguy911
February 19, 2008 11:04:05 AM
Well there you go blu-ray has won time to go out and buy a blu-ray player
http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/19/technology/toshiba.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008021904
Im never wrong so it was only a matter of time.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/19/technology/toshiba.ap/index.htm?postversion=2008021904
Im never wrong so it was only a matter of time.
echofoxtrot
March 12, 2008 4:05:39 PM
Man-- how does mark raby have a job in journalism? this guy is the most biased idiot I've ever had the offense of reading. In this latest article on the front page of TH:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/03/12/blu_ray_player_p...
I was reading, and I was thinking-- man this guy has a complete hardon against blu-ray, and it sounds like that last guy who wrote the article about how Hd-DVD will probably win this war---wait IT IS THE SAME GUY!!! haha. freaking idiot.
(to Mark)
1. You advise people that a 100 dollar investment is still a good buy in the hd-dvd market, for the fact that hddvd players are still dvd upconverters-- but ITS DEAD TECH--THEY ARE NOT PRODUCING HDDVD'S ANYMORE!!! oh and nice mention that blu-ray players also upconvert dvd's
2. Simple economics. Yes hd-dvd is dead, adn yes that means blu-ray has sole market share. This is a good thing though. yes right now prices are high --but they will even out when competitors have to compete with each other's prices--I would much more have this then 2 formats in which one is a complete waste of money, see: people who bought hordes of hd-dvd's and a discrete player.
STOP WRITING ARTICLES IF YOU CANNOT KEEP YOUR OPINION TO YOURSELF!!!!
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/03/12/blu_ray_player_p...
I was reading, and I was thinking-- man this guy has a complete hardon against blu-ray, and it sounds like that last guy who wrote the article about how Hd-DVD will probably win this war---wait IT IS THE SAME GUY!!! haha. freaking idiot.
(to Mark)
1. You advise people that a 100 dollar investment is still a good buy in the hd-dvd market, for the fact that hddvd players are still dvd upconverters-- but ITS DEAD TECH--THEY ARE NOT PRODUCING HDDVD'S ANYMORE!!! oh and nice mention that blu-ray players also upconvert dvd's
2. Simple economics. Yes hd-dvd is dead, adn yes that means blu-ray has sole market share. This is a good thing though. yes right now prices are high --but they will even out when competitors have to compete with each other's prices--I would much more have this then 2 formats in which one is a complete waste of money, see: people who bought hordes of hd-dvd's and a discrete player.
STOP WRITING ARTICLES IF YOU CANNOT KEEP YOUR OPINION TO YOURSELF!!!!
echofoxtrot
March 12, 2008 4:09:08 PM
haha, sorry but this just cracks me up- from mark's jan. article:
"And of course, looking at the Playstation 3 factor is a must when we are talking about Blu-ray. While it seems good to have such huge support from a device, it seems very difficult to swallow the idea that a game console can determine the result of an entire format war."
and from the article in mar. (just two months later)
"By looking at these prices, it is pretty clear that the PS3 did in fact almost singlehandedly declare the winner of the format war."
hhahahahaahhahahahhahha. sting.
"And of course, looking at the Playstation 3 factor is a must when we are talking about Blu-ray. While it seems good to have such huge support from a device, it seems very difficult to swallow the idea that a game console can determine the result of an entire format war."
and from the article in mar. (just two months later)
"By looking at these prices, it is pretty clear that the PS3 did in fact almost singlehandedly declare the winner of the format war."
hhahahahaahhahahahhahha. sting.
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