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July 14, 2005 11:58:07 PM

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I am trying to copy a bootable CD installation disk (Symantec/Norton Ghost
9.0) to a blank DVD/RW disk in such a way that the DVD/RW disk will (1) have
same bootable characteristics as the CD installation disk (same DOS programs,
etc) and will (2) allow the user to add additional data to the DVD/RW disk
(multisession capable)

I don't have any trouble copying CD to CD or DVD to DVD using Nero, Roxio
Creator, Sonic or Drag N Drop, etc. using their disk to disk copying
applications - however, none of these applications as far as I can tell
allows you make an exact copy of a CD to a DVD

Although I can copy each file from the CD to the DVD - I am losing the so
called boot portion of the CD and as a result, the DVD fails to boot up into
its DOS environment - the DVD copy will allow you to install the program and
everything else - only the self booting capability into DOS is missing from
the DVD copy

Apparently, a bootable CD or DVD disk has two drives/partitions/sectors ??
Does Windows and these other Windows based writing programs only see or show
the non bootable drive of the disk??

How do I copy the missing boot files on the CD disk so that I can get the
DVD disk to boot and perform the same as the CD disk??

Thank you in advance for your help!!
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 1:58:25 AM

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"Howard" <Howard@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9E3B815C-EE9E-4E08-B214-7DB84E057717@microsoft.com...
> I am trying to copy a bootable CD installation disk (Symantec/Norton Ghost
> 9.0) to a blank DVD/RW disk in such a way that the DVD/RW disk will (1)
have
> same bootable characteristics as the CD installation disk (same DOS
programs,
> etc) and will (2) allow the user to add additional data to the DVD/RW disk
> (multisession capable)
>
> I don't have any trouble copying CD to CD or DVD to DVD using Nero, Roxio
> Creator, Sonic or Drag N Drop, etc. using their disk to disk copying
> applications - however, none of these applications as far as I can tell
> allows you make an exact copy of a CD to a DVD
>
> Although I can copy each file from the CD to the DVD - I am losing the so
> called boot portion of the CD and as a result, the DVD fails to boot up
into
> its DOS environment - the DVD copy will allow you to install the program
and
> everything else - only the self booting capability into DOS is missing
from
> the DVD copy
>
> Apparently, a bootable CD or DVD disk has two drives/partitions/sectors ??
> Does Windows and these other Windows based writing programs only see or
show
> the non bootable drive of the disk??
>
> How do I copy the missing boot files on the CD disk so that I can get the
> DVD disk to boot and perform the same as the CD disk??
>
> Thank you in advance for your help!!

It seems to me Nero allows you to specify the CD (the bootable
one) as the source for the boot image. Make sure you select
"bootable CD" or something like that in Nero, not just "data cd"
In Nero 5.5.??, when you select create new CD, down near the
bottom of the list is "CD-ROM [boot]" -- that is the one you want.

mikey
Anonymous
July 15, 2005 4:58:02 AM

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start here
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=bootable+cds+to+...

lots of useful info
--
there are no problems just challenges


"Mike Fields" wrote:

>
> "Howard" <Howard@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9E3B815C-EE9E-4E08-B214-7DB84E057717@microsoft.com...
> > I am trying to copy a bootable CD installation disk (Symantec/Norton Ghost
> > 9.0) to a blank DVD/RW disk in such a way that the DVD/RW disk will (1)
> have
> > same bootable characteristics as the CD installation disk (same DOS
> programs,
> > etc) and will (2) allow the user to add additional data to the DVD/RW disk
> > (multisession capable)
> >
> > I don't have any trouble copying CD to CD or DVD to DVD using Nero, Roxio
> > Creator, Sonic or Drag N Drop, etc. using their disk to disk copying
> > applications - however, none of these applications as far as I can tell
> > allows you make an exact copy of a CD to a DVD
> >
> > Although I can copy each file from the CD to the DVD - I am losing the so
> > called boot portion of the CD and as a result, the DVD fails to boot up
> into
> > its DOS environment - the DVD copy will allow you to install the program
> and
> > everything else - only the self booting capability into DOS is missing
> from
> > the DVD copy
> >
> > Apparently, a bootable CD or DVD disk has two drives/partitions/sectors ??
> > Does Windows and these other Windows based writing programs only see or
> show
> > the non bootable drive of the disk??
> >
> > How do I copy the missing boot files on the CD disk so that I can get the
> > DVD disk to boot and perform the same as the CD disk??
> >
> > Thank you in advance for your help!!
>
> It seems to me Nero allows you to specify the CD (the bootable
> one) as the source for the boot image. Make sure you select
> "bootable CD" or something like that in Nero, not just "data cd"
> In Nero 5.5.??, when you select create new CD, down near the
> bottom of the list is "CD-ROM [boot]" -- that is the one you want.
>
> mikey
>
>
>
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Anonymous
July 15, 2005 8:42:22 AM

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It appears you're trying to create a Ghost boot DVD, and save a smallish
image file on it as well.
The more common method is to burn spanned image files to DVD/RW in ISO
format and use the standard Ghost boot CD for restoration. Each image file
must be less than 2GB total. Two such maximum sized files can be burned on
each DVD.
See more inserted below...
"Howard" <Howard@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9E3B815C-EE9E-4E08-B214-7DB84E057717@microsoft.com...
> I am trying to copy a bootable CD installation disk (Symantec/Norton Ghost
> 9.0) to a blank DVD/RW disk in such a way that the DVD/RW disk will (1)
have
> same bootable characteristics as the CD installation disk (same DOS
programs,
> etc) and will (2) allow the user to add additional data to the DVD/RW disk
> (multisession capable)
>

There is no commonly used burning software that can do that in one step.

> I don't have any trouble copying CD to CD or DVD to DVD using Nero, Roxio
> Creator, Sonic or Drag N Drop, etc. using their disk to disk copying
> applications - however, none of these applications as far as I can tell
> allows you make an exact copy of a CD to a DVD
>

There's no big demand for that at the moment.

> Although I can copy each file from the CD to the DVD - I am losing the so
> called boot portion of the CD and as a result, the DVD fails to boot up
into
> its DOS environment - the DVD copy will allow you to install the program
and
> everything else - only the self booting capability into DOS is missing
from
> the DVD copy
>

Last I looked, the current Ghost and former DI 7.0 use Windows PE, not a
msdos envrionment.

> Apparently, a bootable CD or DVD disk has two drives/partitions/sectors ??

No such divisions on CD/DVD.
The boot portion serves as drive A:, the remainder, usually in a separate
session, has a different drive letter.

> Does Windows and these other Windows based writing programs only see or
show
> the non bootable drive of the disk??
>

The cd filesystem cannot read a boot portion of a CD/DVD.

> How do I copy the missing boot files on the CD disk so that I can get the
> DVD disk to boot and perform the same as the CD disk??
>

Its more than just writing files.

> Thank you in advance for your help!!
July 16, 2005 3:02:01 AM

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From the replys posted so far, I think we are losing sight of what the
objective or soultion should probably be !!

In my opinion, the objective is to completely and accurately clone a CD disk
unto a DVD disk. If you are able to clone the CD completely and accurately
unto a DVD similar to the copy disk to disk copy applications of the major
writing software vendors (Nero, Roxio, Sonic, etc) you will solve the boot
problem

Whether or not the source disk is simple or complicated, bootable or non
bootable -
should not be a factor - if the source disk is completely and accurately
copied from start to finish you will end up with the same disk as the source
and it will function the same

I personally have yet to experience any problems whatsoever when using their
CD to CD or DVD to DVD disk to disk copying applications regardless of how
simple or complicated, bootable or non bootable the source disk may have been

The solution to fixing the boot problem is not to try and figure out how to
make a bootable DVD and the associated programs related to the boot
environment but rather simply how can you copy a CD completely from start to
finish and burn it to a DVD

Trying to figure out the proper booting files, drivers and the programs that
run from the boot environment would be a nightmare - probably only the
original software programmers would know the exact files, etc

I really think the solution to this problem is strictly a copy problem and
has nothing to do with how simple or complicated the source disk might be,
bootable or nonbootable, etc, etc

The problem is: (1) how can you copy a CD completely from start to finish
and burn it to a DVD or in the alternative (2) how can you find and copy all
the associated boot files and related applications on the source CD disk and
then burn them to a DVD

Finally, it seems puzzling to me that none of the major software writing
vendors to my knowledge has devised a program to copy a CD to a DVD - maybe
it simply can't be done ?? Something to do with the different media disks ??

Thanks in advance for any replys
Anonymous
July 16, 2005 10:54:30 AM

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Do a google search and you will find this.
http://www.free-press-release.com/news/200409/109427471...
--
Ron Sommer

"Howard" <Howard@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:199BAA6E-ECD4-4C47-84FC-3857E50CC85E@microsoft.com...
> From the replys posted so far, I think we are losing sight of what the
> objective or soultion should probably be !!
>
> In my opinion, the objective is to completely and accurately clone a CD
> disk
> unto a DVD disk. If you are able to clone the CD completely and accurately
> unto a DVD similar to the copy disk to disk copy applications of the major
> writing software vendors (Nero, Roxio, Sonic, etc) you will solve the boot
> problem
>
> Whether or not the source disk is simple or complicated, bootable or non
> bootable -
> should not be a factor - if the source disk is completely and accurately
> copied from start to finish you will end up with the same disk as the
> source
> and it will function the same
>
> I personally have yet to experience any problems whatsoever when using
> their
> CD to CD or DVD to DVD disk to disk copying applications regardless of how
> simple or complicated, bootable or non bootable the source disk may have
> been
>
> The solution to fixing the boot problem is not to try and figure out how
> to
> make a bootable DVD and the associated programs related to the boot
> environment but rather simply how can you copy a CD completely from start
> to
> finish and burn it to a DVD
>
> Trying to figure out the proper booting files, drivers and the programs
> that
> run from the boot environment would be a nightmare - probably only the
> original software programmers would know the exact files, etc
>
> I really think the solution to this problem is strictly a copy problem and
> has nothing to do with how simple or complicated the source disk might be,
> bootable or nonbootable, etc, etc
>
> The problem is: (1) how can you copy a CD completely from start to finish
> and burn it to a DVD or in the alternative (2) how can you find and copy
> all
> the associated boot files and related applications on the source CD disk
> and
> then burn them to a DVD
>
> Finally, it seems puzzling to me that none of the major software writing
> vendors to my knowledge has devised a program to copy a CD to a DVD -
> maybe
> it simply can't be done ?? Something to do with the different media disks
> ??
>
> Thanks in advance for any replys
!