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hailwood1965   01-08-2005 at 10:20:20 PM

My son has an Alienware computer that's a few years old. In order to speed it up he replaced the EIDE drive with an ATA drive. The system boots up but will not recognize the new drive. I'm trying to help him with this and believe that the system needs a change in the bios settings to recognize the drive. Does anyone else have an opinion on this?

And, my next question is of course, how to change this, and what to change in the bios.

Thanks so much for any help.

Dad

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folken   01-08-2005 at 10:48:26 PM
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EIDE and ATA are the same thing :)
Do you mean SATA?

If anything else is on the same cable make sure that the master/slave pins are set correctly for it's location on the ribbon cable. The plug at the end is master, the one in the middle is slave.

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jammydodger   01-09-2005 at 01:44:10 AM
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if he is talking about SATA then he can only have a single device on each cable anyway. SATA devices do not share channels.

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Crashman   01-09-2005 at 05:10:57 AM
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First of all, SATA (What you're calling ATA) is not faster than ATA100/ATA133 (what you're calling EIDE). Lots of bad information is floating around saying it is, but drive mechanics, not the interface, are the limiting factor.

Of course if he got a 10,000 RPM drive in SATA, it would be faster than a 7,200 RPM ATA100 drive.

I don't even know what board it is, but you have to enable the SATA controller if it's disabled.

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hailwood1965   01-09-2005 at 04:45:47 PM
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Well, He went with a drive with a wide EIDE cable to one with a very thin cable. I thought this was ATA.

Regardless, I'd just like to get the unit functional again. Any ideas? The machine boots up and then will not find a drive to install XP on ...

Thanks

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hailwood1965   01-09-2005 at 04:49:01 PM
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How does one do that, please?

Thanks

D

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jammydodger   01-09-2005 at 09:54:53 PM
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There are two types of ATA drive Serial ATA (SATA) and Parrellel ATA (PATA), Serial ATA isa new standard and the uses thin cables, PATA is the old standard and uses wide cables. PATA transfers at 133MB/sec max, while SATA transfers at 150MB/sec max (its a shame that even the fastest hard drives can only transfer at a sustained rate of about 70MB/sec).

SATA controllers are not yet nativly detected by the windows setup. So you have to create a floppy disk with the drivers on it and then press F6 when windows asks for 3rd party disk controllers.
Your motherboard manual should tell you how to create this disk, it requires a file called Txtsetup.oem and then a folder containing the drivers (probably named windowsXP or summik similar).

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Crashman   01-10-2005 at 01:21:57 AM
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He switched from ATA100 or ATA133 to SATA150. SATA has the thinner cables.

From here it depends on the controller you're using. You have to go into BIOS, find the SATA controller, enable it, and if it's not an integrated controller you'll have to use the floppy drivers as Jammy suggested.

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Crashman   01-10-2005 at 01:25:38 AM
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Jammy, I have an SATA drive and Windows settup picks it up fine, no need for add-in drivers. That's because it's on a chipset-integrated controller and treated by Windows Setup as a standard IDE drive. The chipset is able to do that through motherboard BIOS.

The problem is, we don't even know what chipset he has, or if the drive is on a chipset-integrated controller or a third-party controller.

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jammydodger   01-10-2005 at 08:10:36 AM
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Sorry, I remember you telling me about this before. I only used RAID through my ICH5r so I assumed you had to use F6 for non-raided SATA drives as well.

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Crashman   01-10-2005 at 09:18:22 AM
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Nope, with RAID turned off standard BIOS picks them up and treats them like any other ATA drive.

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hailwood1965   01-10-2005 at 06:51:38 PM
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I thank you for your assistance.

The motherboard is an Intel D875PB2, if that means anything.

D

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jammydodger   01-10-2005 at 11:52:10 PM
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Why the hell did you get that?

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Crashman   01-11-2005 at 03:10:10 AM
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From the Intel setup guide for the D875PBZ:
The <b>Serial ATA boot</b> option is disabled by default in the BIOS Setup program. To boot from an SATA drive, the <b>Serial ATA boot</b> option must be enabled in BIOS.

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Crashman   01-11-2005 at 03:12:02 AM
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By the way, don't enable RAID.

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