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Keep Donald Rumsfeld away from your figures, I guess. This is pretty clever.

'Rumsfeld Kicked Out of Amateur War Gamers Club'
<http://brainsnap.com/main/modules/news/article.php?storyid=17>
 
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and you took it seriously, as in "true"?

if so, stay away from my figures too!
 
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Raises the idea of gaming Abu Graib. ( !!??!)

Military Police and shadowy "Intel" figures in a no-holds-barred
mock-up of the prison. Naked figurines try to use "morale" ,
"strength", and "intelligence" points to resist the efforts to
break them thru actual torture methods as publicised.
Goofy, of course.

But I wonder if anyone's ever gamed such a situation ?
"Papillion" (" High Adventure escaping from French Colonials
on Devil's Island"), also comes to mind. Imagine; the corrupt
guards, the desparate convicts, the naitives, battling the elements.
Maybe it could work ? Certainly lots of fun terrain work for the
builders out there.


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<reply@grouponly.com> wrote in message
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> But I wonder if anyone's ever gamed such a situation ?
> "Papillion" (" High Adventure escaping from French Colonials
> on Devil's Island"), also comes to mind. Imagine; the corrupt
> guards, the desparate convicts, the naitives, battling the elements.
> Maybe it could work ? Certainly lots of fun terrain work for the
> builders out there.

I once played a role playing game called 'Home Front 86' about running a
refugee camp in Scotland during a hypothetical WW3. It turned out to be a
disguised scenario and we'd actually been running a concentration camp in
Germany in 1945. A very, very clever game which produced some fairly grim
insights into human nature (well, mine anyway) - I was really quite shocked
at what we'd done, although at the time all our decisions seemed quite
rational and in the best interests of the 'refugees' as well as meeting our
production targets. My only defence at the war crimes trial was 'I was just
obeying orders'. Just ordinary men....

Cheers
Martin
 

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"Martin Rapier" <m.rapier@shef.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> ...I was really quite shocked
> at what we'd done, although at the time all our decisions seemed quite
> rational and in the best interests of the 'refugees' as well as meeting
our
> production targets. My only defence at the war crimes trial was 'I was
just
> obeying orders'. Just ordinary men....

Hopefully, the court held to precedent and ruled that the "Nuremburg
defense" was inapplicable. :)

Personally, I have found that the human capacity for rationalizing is nearly
limitless.

--Ty
 
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In article <20040614173115.23151.00000736@mb-m21.aol.com>,
rmcaras520@aol.com (RMCaras520) wrote:

> and you took it seriously, as in "true"?
>
> if so, stay away from my figures too!

Well, no, i'm not taking it as literal truth. but i'm just thinking, what
if he did play wargames? I wouldn't put it past him to do something like
that... Let's just say I wouldn't want to find myself pitted against him
on a battlefield or a wargame! ;)
 
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> Well, no, i'm not taking it as literal truth. but i'm just thinking, what
> if he did play wargames?

He does play wargames. He just does it in 1:1 scale.
 
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:22:06 -0400, "Mike Hillsgrove"
<mikeah@cablespeed.com> wrote:

>> Well, no, i'm not taking it as literal truth. but i'm just thinking, what
>> if he did play wargames?
>
>He does play wargames. He just does it in 1:1 scale.
>


Good one.

Andrew
 
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"Ty" <tbeardSPAM@tyler.net> wrote in message
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> "Martin Rapier" <m.rapier@shef.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:came06$ifg$1@hermes.shef.ac.uk...
> > ...I was really quite shocked
> > at what we'd done, although at the time all our decisions seemed quite
> > rational and in the best interests of the 'refugees' as well as meeting
> our
> > production targets. My only defence at the war crimes trial was 'I was
> just
> > obeying orders'. Just ordinary men....
>
> Hopefully, the court held to precedent and ruled that the "Nuremburg
> defense" was inapplicable. :)

Yes indeed, we all got what we deserved and looking back I can see that
there were some much more humane options we could adopted. My deepest regret
was that each month we had to allocate 200 refugees for resettlement, the
nice Lt Miller arriving on a special train to take them away. We eventually
decided that as it was so grim in the camp (overcrowded, everyone starving
despite our best efforts to obtain food supplies locally) that we would
reward the refugees who worked the hardest in the factory with a ticket out.
Sadly it turned out that 'resettlement' was not all it was cracked up to be,
although I suppose the heavily armed goons who accompanied Lt Miller should
have been a clue.

> Personally, I have found that the human capacity for rationalizing is
nearly
> limitless.

Indeed.

Cheers
Martin
 
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In message <came06$ifg$1@hermes.shef.ac.uk>, Martin Rapier
<m.rapier@shef.ac.uk> writes
><reply@grouponly.com> wrote in message
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>{snip}
>> But I wonder if anyone's ever gamed such a situation ?
>> "Papillion" (" High Adventure escaping from French Colonials
>> on Devil's Island"), also comes to mind. Imagine; the corrupt
>> guards, the desparate convicts, the naitives, battling the elements.
>> Maybe it could work ? Certainly lots of fun terrain work for the
>> builders out there.
>
>I once played a role playing game called 'Home Front 86' about running a
>refugee camp in Scotland during a hypothetical WW3. It turned out to be a
>disguised scenario and we'd actually been running a concentration camp in
>Germany in 1945. A very, very clever game which produced some fairly grim
>insights into human nature (well, mine anyway) - I was really quite shocked
>at what we'd done, although at the time all our decisions seemed quite
>rational and in the best interests of the 'refugees' as well as meeting our
>production targets. My only defence at the war crimes trial was 'I was just
>obeying orders'. Just ordinary men....
>
I read a report recently that a US military policeman played the role of
a prisoner for practice interrogation, and was so badly beaten that he
was medically discharged. It's no real surprise - there have been quite
a few psychological experiments which demonstrate that ordinary people
will do quite awful things if they are told that they are doing the
right thing. That's the real horror of the concentration camps - the
people running it were not some form of sub-human monster - they were
just normal human beings.
--
John Secker