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FPS Stutters driving me crazy for months!!!

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September 19, 2012 3:38:55 PM

I have a 5970HD ATi
12GB RAM
Intel Core I7 3.2 extreme edition (cooled by a Coolermaster v8)
Windows 7 64 Bit
Power supply is Gigabyte around 500 or 600 Watts

I played goddamn Crysis in 60 FPS minimum and this game with an ass for graphics and with its cardboard physics Can't keep up with some piss poor 30 FPS.

The FPS is incredibly inconsistent. Maximum reaches up to 50 FPS and keeps jolly jumping around 17 and 30 frames and my nerves especially when theres an enemy on my cross hairs.

How many goddamn patches am I going to be waiting for to play my game and for you guys to stop and count my money later?

Now after Battlefield 3. This issue seems to happen on every other game now. I just played Borderlands 2. And the frames in some places stay around 20 but then 100.

What are some main faults why theres FPS stutters or inconsistent FPS in general about games?
September 19, 2012 7:00:28 PM

As a game developer, I can tell you that one of the main causes of FPS inconsistency is scene complexity. Generally the more objects you need to render per frame, the longer it takes to render per frame. Also, the more complex the object, the more time it takes to render. If you look up at the sky, and all there is to render is a few polygons of a skybox and the sky texture, you will get high FPS. But if you look straight at huge buildings, structures, player models, etc., your frame rate will instantly drop. Also, after effects, anti-aliasing, and other additions to the scene can do the same.

You don't have the best graphics card in the world. So you might want to reduce your graphics settings in your games. Not all games are created equal so you need to tune your graphics settings until you get a solid FPS through simple and complex scenes.



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September 19, 2012 7:52:26 PM

MotoX said:
As a game developer, I can tell you that one of the main causes of FPS inconsistency is scene complexity. Generally the more objects you need to render per frame, the longer it takes to render per frame. Also, the more complex the object, the more time it takes to render. If you look up at the sky, and all there is to render is a few polygons of a skybox and the sky texture, you will get high FPS. But if you look straight at huge buildings, structures, player models, etc., your frame rate will instantly drop. Also, after effects, anti-aliasing, and other additions to the scene can do the same.

You don't have the best graphics card in the world. So you might want to reduce your graphics settings in your games. Not all games are created equal so you need to tune your graphics settings until you get a solid FPS through simple and complex scenes.



This.^^

In short, framerate changes because the strain on your GPU changes, depending on what your looking at.

With graphic cards and user expectations evolving, developers tend to make things prettier to they eye. Which in turn means adding more polygons to models to make them more detailed. Using more effects like smoke, fire ... particle stuff, (complex) shadows, high resolution textures and so on.

All this has to be handled by your GPU. Go figure. ;) 
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September 19, 2012 7:59:16 PM

i would start with the simple stuff, open up ccc and default the settings. Just make sure you didn't make a change that may be affecting performance.

post your motherboard please- you did put the 5970 into a pcie x16 slot, correct?

double check youre psu rating
■650 Watt or greater power supply one 75W 6-pin and one 150W 8-pin PCI Express® power connectors recommended (850 Watt with two 75W 6-pin and two 150W 8-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode

ATI Radeon™ HD 5970 Graphics site



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September 19, 2012 8:06:17 PM

Simple, really. The polygons/particles/textures that you can't see (I.E, hidden behind something, like a house) are not being rendered, so your GPU load is minimal. But when you go around the house and see everything that was being culled, it's like your getting a major stutter, as the FPS suddenly plummets.

Only thing I can suggest is having an FPS clamp. There is a d3d9.dll file kicking around that can enable that.
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September 19, 2012 8:21:19 PM

wow, my virgin ears.............. dude, relax.

as far as the hardware goes......... polygon this, polygon that. I played this game with lesser hardware than his with no problems what-so-ever.

disable motion blur after you let the game find optimized settings........ see crysis' conntol panel for that. What happens ?

ah, other games too.......... go into the CCC and look over your game settings. Don't select anything at the moment other than "let game decide" or "application settings" and save it. try running games now.

if you're still having problems, disable tessellation if available and turn back shadow quality.

didn't mention res or monitor but make sure the refresh rate is what it's supposed to be. that will cause many headaches.
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September 19, 2012 8:54:33 PM

My motherboard is Asus Rampage 2 extreme. The first game I experienced the damn stutters is Battlefield 3 the game with cardboard graphics. NOT CRYSIS. Crysis is god of graphics
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September 19, 2012 8:59:47 PM

I also play games at 1280x1024. But the frames lower to ridiculous levels even in Borderlands 2. It can stay around 15 frames even
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September 19, 2012 9:00:11 PM

You are probably running som eother software that is demanding resources like a virus scanner, java updater, itunes updater, and other crap.

Clean your running processes.
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September 19, 2012 10:05:15 PM

Continue guys. Ask anything you need to know to help me with this ass itch
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a b $ Windows 7
September 19, 2012 10:09:21 PM

you can start with stop cursing.............. nobody, and i mean nobody carries on on this site the way you do.
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September 19, 2012 10:12:48 PM

Upgrade to a 7870. Problem solved. That 5970 is getting on.
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September 19, 2012 10:21:49 PM

Smeg45 said:
Upgrade to a 7870. Problem solved. That 5970 is getting on.


That would be a scam. Today gaming is stuck in 2006 because of console hardware. The PS3 has like a crappy 250MB Chipset of a GPU and it leads gamings technology. Yet you're saying my 5970HD is not enough?
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September 19, 2012 10:38:15 PM

lovelord666 said:
That would be a scam. Today gaming is stuck in 2006 because of console hardware. The PS3 has like a crappy 250MB Chipset of a GPU and it leads gamings technology. Yet you're saying my 5970HD is not enough?


Wrong. 1080p PC gaming = higher draw distance, higher textures and assets, much better shadows and AA/AF options even in a half-decent console port. Your 5970 has run out of puff. You can't compare consoles to PC. They run at DVD res or lower for most titles, can only upscale to 1080p and not run natively and are heavily cut back in all other aspects.
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September 19, 2012 10:54:20 PM

5970 is still really good. I have a similar setup (2x 5850) and get high fps in every game I play at 1920x1200 with MSAA and max settings, except BF3. Borderlands 2 runs buttery smooth at maximum everything.

Have you updated your drivers and installed the latest CAP? And why are you playing on a monitor with 2001-era resolution?
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September 19, 2012 11:05:34 PM

lovelord666 said:
That would be a scam. Today gaming is stuck in 2006 because of console hardware. The PS3 has like a crappy 250MB Chipset of a GPU and it leads gamings technology. Yet you're saying my 5970HD is not enough?


It'd be a scam because the 7870 isn't really better than the 5970 unless you overclock, not your BS anti-console bias. Consoles can hold tech back, but not nearly as much as you claim. Even today's most highest end cards can easily be taxed in games with settings that make consoles look like the nearly decade-old, outdated tech that they are.
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September 20, 2012 12:20:18 AM

lovelord666 said:
That would be a scam. Today gaming is stuck in 2006 because of console hardware. The PS3 has like a crappy 250MB Chipset of a GPU and it leads gamings technology. Yet you're saying my 5970HD is not enough?


In order for PS3 to play Battlefield3 smoothly, they have the graphics settings locked on LOW, and they have a maximum of 24 players per multiplayer server.

A PS3 could never in a million years run BF3 on ultra with 64 players smoothly.

Like I said, if you want to play the game smooth with no FPS drops, reduce your graphics settings. Otherwise, get better hardware.
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September 20, 2012 12:38:07 AM

Guys I am looking for a solution. Not your hardware commercializing. I know games like the back of my hand so I won't waste my time correcting you. The FPS stutters are there. The FPS is inconsistent even playing games like Borderlands 2. I didn't have this problem before. Its goddamn invalid to say my grpahic card is aging when I use to run Crysis at 60+ FPS. But Can't even keep the FPS of 40 in a crappy graphic game like Borderlands 2 and Battlefield 3 even if its at low(As if the settings even make a difference)
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September 20, 2012 12:41:36 AM

I wonder if it could be as simple as turning of aero, ie set graphics to best performance, I see all the hardware in place but none of the benefits.
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September 20, 2012 12:45:50 AM

It's just before it didn't stutter but then it started stuttering. So I am wondering what was that little twitch that changed my hardware function
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September 20, 2012 12:49:37 AM

Driver update, Windows update, maybe something else... Have you updated/installed anything recently other than just games? Have you changed any system settings recently?
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September 20, 2012 12:55:53 AM

Sometimes there a notification appears that a driver was blocked due to incompatibility. Don't understand what the hell that could mean. I have the catalyst version 12.8. I have Windows 7 64 Bit.
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September 20, 2012 1:07:58 AM

We might have the source of your problem right there. Try booting into safe mode and uninstalling any and all graphics drivers completely through Driver Fusion after using the regular uninstallers. After you've rebooted as many times as necessary to get them all (re-do this until there's nothing left of any graphics drivers from AMD, Nvidia, and Intel), then try installing the 64 bit version of Catalyst from this link:
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/rad...

Restart again as necessary and see if the problem is resolved.
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September 20, 2012 1:21:26 AM

And don't forget to install CAP.

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September 20, 2012 3:07:10 AM

After reading down this thread to figure out the problems and chime in, I really don't feel like helping this guy.
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September 20, 2012 3:36:11 AM

lovelord666 said:
Guys I am looking for a solution. Not your hardware commercializing. I know games like the back of my hand so I won't waste my time correcting you. The FPS stutters are there. The FPS is inconsistent even playing games like Borderlands 2. I didn't have this problem before. Its goddamn invalid to say my grpahic card is aging when I use to run Crysis at 60+ FPS. But Can't even keep the FPS of 40 in a crappy graphic game like Borderlands 2 and Battlefield 3 even if its at low(As if the settings even make a difference)


Crysis @ 60FPS - on what? 1680x1050 or lower on medium/high? New games need new grunt. Which you don't have.
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September 20, 2012 4:16:17 AM

Smeg45 said:
Crysis @ 60FPS - on what? 1680x1050 or lower on medium/high? New games need new grunt. Which you don't have.


60 FPS at 1280x1024 on full plus extra graphic mods. What goddamn grunts would you be talking about? Theres isn't really much new in games tech wise.
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September 20, 2012 4:48:44 AM

blazorthon said:
We might have the source of your problem right there. Try booting into safe mode and uninstalling any and all graphics drivers completely through Driver Fusion after using the regular uninstallers. After you've rebooted as many times as necessary to get them all (re-do this until there's nothing left of any graphics drivers from AMD, Nvidia, and Intel), then try installing the 64 bit version of Catalyst from this link:
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/rad...

Restart again as necessary and see if the problem is resolved.


OK I have opened up Driver Fusion. Clicked on AMD Display. Then there was a whole AMDiety opened.

It's just theres AMD display data in Windows files (OS sensitive?),Registry keys, program files. So I entirely erase everything AMD display related including things that are in Windows files and even registry keys?

It's just I am mad paranoid of damaging the registry and starting all my data from scratch when reinstalling OS. I have done OS reinstalls already several times and have dumped terabytes of data. It has been enough!
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September 20, 2012 6:34:06 AM

lovelord666 said:
60 FPS at 1280x1024 on full plus extra graphic mods. What goddamn grunts would you be talking about? Theres isn't really much new in games tech wise.


ROFL. 1280x1024? You just answered your own question. 1080p needs vastly more power. You need to upgrade if you want better peformance. Your GPU is 2 generations old, in other words an eternity.
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September 20, 2012 7:26:09 AM

Smeg45 said:
ROFL. 1280x1024? You just answered your own question. 1080p needs vastly more power. You need to upgrade if you want better peformance. Your GPU is 2 generations old, in other words an eternity.


I can't believe you are a veteran on this site.
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September 20, 2012 8:06:22 AM

lovelord666 said:
I can't believe you are a veteran on this site.


I can't believe people are bothering to help you. Look at benchmarks. Your card is old and will lag in some modern games, and consoles have nothing to do with it.
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September 20, 2012 8:26:54 AM

Smeg45 said:
I can't believe people are bothering to help you. Look at benchmarks. Your card is old and will lag in some modern games, and consoles have nothing to do with it.


+1 Get over your console hate and listen to the advice these people are giving. They are trying to help. If you don't want it, don't ask for it.
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September 20, 2012 12:46:09 PM

A Radeon 5970 is in the same league as the GTX 580 and Radeon 7870 in gaming performance. It should not have issues at 1080p in even today's most intensive games unless OP's mods are insanely intensive or OP is using something like SSAA. Still, OP, you could at least try to be decent.
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September 20, 2012 11:33:36 PM

Smeg45 said:
I can't believe people are bothering to help you. Look at benchmarks. Your card is old and will lag in some modern games, and consoles have nothing to do with it.


+1^
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September 20, 2012 11:38:55 PM

ArcticWonder said:
+1^


A Radeon 5970 shouldn't have performance problems in any game at 1080p with maxed out texture settings and proper levels of other settings.
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September 21, 2012 12:25:12 AM

blazorthon said:
A Radeon 5970 shouldn't have performance problems in any game at 1080p with maxed out texture settings and proper levels of other settings.


Except Sleeping Dogs, Crysis 2, Metro 2033, Max Payne 3, Witcher 2 and . . . well just no. Its a 2yr old card ripe for upgrading.
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September 21, 2012 12:27:45 AM

Smeg45 said:
Except Sleeping Dogs, Crysis 2, Metro 2033, Max Payne 3, Witcher 2 and . . . well just no. Its a 2yr old card ripe for upgrading.


Actually, I was including those games because not even those games should have trouble with it. Being old doesn't make it junk. Even a Radeon 4870X2 from mid 2008 can play most modern games excellently at 1080p, albeit in DX 10.1 instead of DX11 and with high power consumption.
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September 21, 2012 1:11:48 AM

I guess if you could play all those game in DX9............ I found 1gig of vram pretty much useless at 1680x1050 as soon as Crysis came out. old architecture can still play games listed, but poorly by my standards and at lowered settings. I'd pull my hair out.
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September 21, 2012 1:27:54 AM

swifty_morgan said:
I guess if you could play all those game in DX9............ I found 1gig of vram pretty much useless at 1680x1050 as soon as Crysis came out. old architecture can still play games listed, but poorly by my standards and at lowered settings. I'd pull my hair out.


You might have to not use AA or drop texture settings step from maxed-out because of the VRAM with 1GiB per GPU cards, but they still play excellently and you can use models with 2GiB of VRAM per GPU to solve even that issue anyway. However, that does bring up a good point. OP, you could check if the VRAM consumption is maxing out your card's VRAM with current settings.
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September 21, 2012 12:17:00 PM

blazorthon said:
You might have to not use AA or drop texture settings step from maxed-out because of the VRAM with 1GiB per GPU cards, but they still play excellently and you can use models with 2GiB of VRAM per GPU to solve even that issue anyway. However, that does bring up a good point. OP, you could check if the VRAM consumption is maxing out your card's VRAM with current settings.


Forget it. I am not wasting my money on useless hardware that just bottlenecks the crappy graphics and is only challenged by the abysmal optimization Now answer my previous question about driver fusion.
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September 21, 2012 12:26:16 PM

Would you guys mind to tell me how old each of you is? I am 16.
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September 21, 2012 12:27:37 PM

Smeg45 said:
ROFL. 1280x1024? You just answered your own question. 1080p needs vastly more power. You need to upgrade if you want better peformance. Your GPU is 2 generations old, in other words an eternity.
What generations are you counting? Sir?
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September 21, 2012 2:02:23 PM

lovelord666 said:
OK I have opened up Driver Fusion. Clicked on AMD Display. Then there was a whole AMDiety opened.

It's just theres AMD display data in Windows files (OS sensitive?),Registry keys, program files. So I entirely erase everything AMD display related including things that are in Windows files and even registry keys?

It's just I am mad paranoid of damaging the registry and starting all my data from scratch when reinstalling OS. I have done OS reinstalls already several times and have dumped terabytes of data. It has been enough!


It shouldn't cause any damage to the computer. That's the junk that get's left behind and needs to be erased.
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September 21, 2012 2:03:47 PM

lovelord666 said:
What generations are you counting? Sir?


Radeon 7000 Geforce 600- current generation
Radeon 6000 Geforce 500- one generation ago
Radeon 5000 Geforce 400- two generations ago
Radeon 4000 Geforce 200- three generations ago (Geforce 300 was an OEM only generation of Geforce 200 rebrands)
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September 21, 2012 3:16:09 PM

blazorthon said:
A Radeon 5970 shouldn't have performance problems in any game at 1080p with maxed out texture settings and proper levels of other settings.


I agree. I have crossfire 5850s, which is basically the same thing, and they don't struggle in any games.
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September 21, 2012 3:40:37 PM

hapkido said:
I agree. I have crossfire 5850s, which is basically the same thing, and they don't struggle in any games.



at what resolution and at what settings and in what, DX9 ?...... I have 5850's also. They sit in the closet because the 1gig frame buffer sucks.
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September 21, 2012 3:50:22 PM

swifty_morgan said:
at what resolution and at what settings and in what, DX9 ?...... I have 5850's also. They sit in the closet because the 1gig frame buffer sucks.


Simply using settings that focus more on the GPU than on the memory bandwidth pretty much solves this issue. OP doesn't need to buy a new card to not have annoying stutter even if the VRAM capacity is the issue because solving that is as easy as changing a few settings.
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September 21, 2012 4:00:31 PM

lovelord666 said:
Would you guys mind to tell me how old each of you is? I am 16.



Well, that explains the attitude.
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a b $ Windows 7
September 21, 2012 4:12:57 PM

starting to sound more like an internet sting operation than it does an answer for a problem......... leave us alone already. we're all "sane" here.
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September 21, 2012 4:19:24 PM

swifty_morgan said:
at what resolution and at what settings and in what, DX9 ?...... I have 5850's also. They sit in the closet because the 1gig frame buffer sucks.


1920x1200 resolution in the highest DX the game supports. Settings vary by game, but most games I can turn to max settings with 4x MSAA and not run out of VRAM.

BF3 at high textures, high FXAA, 16x AF, SSAO, MSAA off, blur off, and medium everything else uses about 900MB VRAM according to MSI Afterburner. If you swap for medium textures and 2x MSAA, it's about the same VRAM usage and performance. I get 60fps MINIMUM fps at either of those settings. I would say that's very playable.

I was playing Borderlands 2 last night after updating to the latest crossfire profiles, absolute max settings, and was pegged at my 90fps frame limiter set in Afterburner at 85-90% GPU usage. Sure it's a DX9 game, but was only using about 200MB VRAM according to Afterburner.

For the few games that need more than 1GB VRAM at single-monitor resolutions, you're probably going to run into non-VRAM-related performance issues before VRAM-related performance issues. Anyone buying new should get 2GB cards, but that doesn't mean people with 1GB need to update just yet.
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