AWI for beginners

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I am a total newbie to this hobbie but not to scale modeling.
The major areas I have questioss in are the following
How do I know

which uniforms to paint the figures. ie which states represented the
bulk of the army?

Which figures to use for these regiments?

I want to create a cross section of the army so i can use it in just
about every major campaign of the war. How do i do this?


Please Help I have been trying to find information for many years
unsuccessfully.
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  1. Archived from groups: rec.games.miniatures.historical (More info?)

    In article <Bg9nd.29611$KJ6.21694@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
    JLC <jcvmf214@earthlink.net> wrote:

    >I am a total newbie to this hobbie but not to scale modeling.
    >The major areas I have questioss in are the following
    >How do I know
    >
    >which uniforms to paint the figures. ie which states represented the
    >bulk of the army?
    >
    >Which figures to use for these regiments?
    >
    >I want to create a cross section of the army so i can use it in just
    >about every major campaign of the war. How do i do this?
    >
    >
    >Please Help I have been trying to find information for many years
    >unsuccessfully.

    I suggest you pick up the Canadian Wargamers Group book "Whites of their
    Eyes". It has an overview of the war, uniform painting guides, battle
    maps, scenarios, and a campaign guide. It uses the rules from their
    companion book "Habitants and Highlanders" (French and Indian War), but
    it should be easy to adapt to other rules sets.

    http://www.agt.net/public/cwgroup/cwghome.html

    By from Saber's Edge (prices are in Canadian $):
    http://sabersedge.com/rules_nap.asp

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cwg-musket/

    Cheers,

    Kent

    --
    Kent Reuber (reuber@stanford.edu) Phone (650) 725-8092
    Senior Networking Specialist Fax (650) 723-0908
    ITSS 241 Panama St., Pine Hall
    Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-4122
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    HI! TRY WWW.UELAC.COM/GAZETTE (IT'S THE UNITED EMPIRE LOYALIST
    ASSOCIATION OF CANADA WEBSITE) THEY HAVE BOTH
    WRITTEN REFERENCES AND PICTURES FOR THE PERIOD

    JLC wrote:

    > I am a total newbie to this hobbie but not to scale modeling.
    > The major areas I have questioss in are the following
    > How do I know
    >
    > which uniforms to paint the figures. ie which states represented the
    > bulk of the army?
    >
    > Which figures to use for these regiments?
    >
    > I want to create a cross section of the army so i can use it in just
    > about every major campaign of the war. How do i do this?
    >
    > Please Help I have been trying to find information for many years
    > unsuccessfully.
  3. Archived from groups: rec.games.miniatures.historical (More info?)

    Hello:

    The AWI can be a confusing period in terms of uniforms. Finding good
    references can be even harder, but it's not impossible. You need to
    understand the historical documentation on uniforms and regiments of the AWI
    is suspect and conjecture at times. There were many different uniforms in
    use during the conflict, especially on the American side, as acquiring
    suitable cloth was problematic and expensive for the colonies. If you want
    to know what continental and state regiments were most prevalent during the
    conflict, then check source 4 below. Same for the British, check source 3.
    below. You may want to be more focused in your pursuit of building an army.
    You may want to build your army around a campaign or a particular battle.
    Order of Battle data is prevalent on the internet and in books - you may try
    and tackle something like Saratoga or Monmouth - or something a bit smaller
    like Cowpens or Ninety-Six.

    I would recommend the following books to start, in order of priority, Some
    are hard to find but many can be had on Ebay if you keep checking. I slowly
    built up a very good selection of source material this way. These are all
    out of print. Here are just a few books in my collection. If you need advice
    on 15mm figures, let me know. I have an extensive American, provincial,
    British, and German army. Can't help you with 25mm or above, I do not game
    in this scale. Godspeed.

    1. Uniforms of the Americna Revolution - John Mollo
    2. The British Army in the American Revolution - Alan Kemp - Almark
    Publications
    3. Encyclopedia of British, Provincial, and German Army Units 1775-1783 -
    Phil Katcher
    4. Encyclopedia of Continental Army Units - Battalions, Regiments, and
    Independent Corps - Fred Anderson Berg
    5. Armies of the American Wars 1753-1815 - Phil Katcher
    6. Several Osprey titles (Men-At-Arms, Campaign)


    "JLC" <jcvmf214@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:Bg9nd.29611$KJ6.21694@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > I am a total newbie to this hobbie but not to scale modeling.
    > The major areas I have questioss in are the following
    > How do I know
    >
    > which uniforms to paint the figures. ie which states represented the
    > bulk of the army?
    >
    > Which figures to use for these regiments?
    >
    > I want to create a cross section of the army so i can use it in just
    > about every major campaign of the war. How do i do this?
    >
    >
    > Please Help I have been trying to find information for many years
    > unsuccessfully.
    >
    >
  4. Archived from groups: rec.games.miniatures.historical (More info?)

    At first my emphasis will be on creating all the players involved
    British, Americans, and French.
    Then I will learn how to game.

    First step
    figure out how to paint them and then which soldiers to get.
    Foundry has some good examples but are confusing.

    I wish I could find another gamer who did the equivilant of what I want
    to do and give me a material list with guides so I can try to come up
    with a plausable army.

    -John c.


    Kent Reuber wrote:
    > In article <Bg9nd.29611$KJ6.21694@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
    > JLC <jcvmf214@earthlink.net> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I am a total newbie to this hobbie but not to scale modeling.
    >>The major areas I have questioss in are the following
    >>How do I know
    >>
    >>which uniforms to paint the figures. ie which states represented the
    >>bulk of the army?
    >>
    >>Which figures to use for these regiments?
    >>
    >>I want to create a cross section of the army so i can use it in just
    >>about every major campaign of the war. How do i do this?
    >>
    >>
    >>Please Help I have been trying to find information for many years
    >>unsuccessfully.
    >
    >
    > I suggest you pick up the Canadian Wargamers Group book "Whites of their
    > Eyes". It has an overview of the war, uniform painting guides, battle
    > maps, scenarios, and a campaign guide. It uses the rules from their
    > companion book "Habitants and Highlanders" (French and Indian War), but
    > it should be easy to adapt to other rules sets.
    >
    > http://www.agt.net/public/cwgroup/cwghome.html
    >
    > By from Saber's Edge (prices are in Canadian $):
    > http://sabersedge.com/rules_nap.asp
    >
    > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cwg-musket/
    >
    > Cheers,
    >
    > Kent
    >
  5. Archived from groups: rec.games.miniatures.historical (More info?)

    "JLC" <jcvmf214@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:L5cnd.2433$Tq6.24@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > At first my emphasis will be on creating all the players involved
    > British, Americans, and French.
    > Then I will learn how to game.

    That sounds backwards to me John. Different wargame rules require different
    numbers of figures, in different scales, organized differently. Most of us
    pick a rule set first, and then build forces of model soldiers to play those
    rules. A good way to start is to find wargamers in your town and ask to play
    with them. Even if they're not playing AWI, you'll learn a lot about how to
    collect and organize model armies.

    > First step
    > figure out how to paint them and then which soldiers to get.
    > Foundry has some good examples but are confusing.

    It sounds like you want to paint some figures right away :-) No harm to
    that. Foundry AWI are top-of-the-line 28mm figures, kind of expensive, but
    very attractive. Perry 28mm AWI are similar, they're done by the same
    sculptors. Wargamers who build big armies of 28mm figures must have a lot of
    time and money. Wargamers who build entire armies often work with 15mm
    figures or smaller.
  6. Archived from groups: rec.games.miniatures.historical (More info?)

    you are right that I want to start painting right away. I was thinking
    along the lines of 15mm..
    Let me propose this.
    Suppose I am not interested in gaming at all and I just want to create a
    particular diaroma of battles in the northern campaign. What would you
    do then?


    Irving Horowitz wrote:
    > "JLC" <jcvmf214@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:L5cnd.2433$Tq6.24@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >
    >>At first my emphasis will be on creating all the players involved
    >>British, Americans, and French.
    >>Then I will learn how to game.
    >
    >
    > That sounds backwards to me John. Different wargame rules require different
    > numbers of figures, in different scales, organized differently. Most of us
    > pick a rule set first, and then build forces of model soldiers to play those
    > rules. A good way to start is to find wargamers in your town and ask to play
    > with them. Even if they're not playing AWI, you'll learn a lot about how to
    > collect and organize model armies.
    >
    >
    >>First step
    >>figure out how to paint them and then which soldiers to get.
    >>Foundry has some good examples but are confusing.
    >
    >
    > It sounds like you want to paint some figures right away :-) No harm to
    > that. Foundry AWI are top-of-the-line 28mm figures, kind of expensive, but
    > very attractive. Perry 28mm AWI are similar, they're done by the same
    > sculptors. Wargamers who build big armies of 28mm figures must have a lot of
    > time and money. Wargamers who build entire armies often work with 15mm
    > figures or smaller.
    >
    >
    >
  7. Archived from groups: rec.games.miniatures.historical (More info?)

    "JLC" <jcvmf214@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:2pxnd.310$uV6.253@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    > you are right that I want to start painting right away. I was thinking
    > along the lines of 15mm..
    > Let me propose this.
    > Suppose I am not interested in gaming at all and I just want to create a
    > particular diaroma of battles in the northern campaign. What would you do
    > then?

    I would figure out which battle I want to represent, because the troops'
    appearence changed a lot in the course of the war. The armies on Long Island
    looked very different from the armies at Saratoga, for instance. Then I'd
    pick out a particular incident to model. It probably wouldn't be practical
    to make a diorama of the entire battle of Long Island, but I might choose to
    model the famous stand of the Maryland Regiment that saved the Patriot army.
    Then research what units were involved in that action, what they looked like
    at that time, and details of the terrain. Then I'd figure out how to scale
    it down into a practical model (say, represent the Marylanders with a 6
    inch, two-rank line, that'll take about 40 infantry figures plus a few
    officers). Then I'd track down usable figures, and I'd finally be ready to
    start painting.

    -or-

    Maybe I already have an idea in mind of what I want the diorama to look
    like. Maybe I want a diorama of Patriot militia and Hessian Jaegers
    skirmishing in woods. Or maybe I want a bayonet charge between red-coated
    British regulars and blue-coated Continentals. Then I'd look for an incident
    from the war that meets the requirements I have in mind. Then research what
    units were involved, etc and proceed as above.

    -or-

    Maybe I'd just build a diorama that pleases me, and not worry whether it
    represents a particular historical incident or any units' documented uniform
    on any given day. (Heresy!) This is a hobby, they're just toy soldiers, and
    the main thing is to please yourself in your all-too-scarce leisure time.

    But I don't mean to belittle striving for historical accuracy. We're mostly
    historical twitchers (erm, I mean modellers) on this board, and if you want
    to know what pattern underwear was issued to the 97th Foote on June 19,
    1779, we'll help you find out.

    So, what do _you_ want to do, John?
  8. Archived from groups: rec.games.miniatures.historical (More info?)

    I really want buld an army focused on the New York To New Jersey
    Campaigns. From what you have tought me and from what I have read each
    year the army seemd to be clothed differently...

    As far as specific battles
    Monmouth
    Deleware crossing
    Trenton
    Princetion

    ect..

    Creating an army that I could use in all these campaigns instead of
    creating specific units taht I could use in only one of these battles


    Irving Horowitz wrote:

    > "JLC" <jcvmf214@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:2pxnd.310$uV6.253@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
    >
    >>you are right that I want to start painting right away. I was thinking
    >>along the lines of 15mm..
    >>Let me propose this.
    >>Suppose I am not interested in gaming at all and I just want to create a
    >>particular diaroma of battles in the northern campaign. What would you do
    >>then?
    >
    >
    > I would figure out which battle I want to represent, because the troops'
    > appearence changed a lot in the course of the war. The armies on Long Island
    > looked very different from the armies at Saratoga, for instance. Then I'd
    > pick out a particular incident to model. It probably wouldn't be practical
    > to make a diorama of the entire battle of Long Island, but I might choose to
    > model the famous stand of the Maryland Regiment that saved the Patriot army.
    > Then research what units were involved in that action, what they looked like
    > at that time, and details of the terrain. Then I'd figure out how to scale
    > it down into a practical model (say, represent the Marylanders with a 6
    > inch, two-rank line, that'll take about 40 infantry figures plus a few
    > officers). Then I'd track down usable figures, and I'd finally be ready to
    > start painting.
    >
    > -or-
    >
    > Maybe I already have an idea in mind of what I want the diorama to look
    > like. Maybe I want a diorama of Patriot militia and Hessian Jaegers
    > skirmishing in woods. Or maybe I want a bayonet charge between red-coated
    > British regulars and blue-coated Continentals. Then I'd look for an incident
    > from the war that meets the requirements I have in mind. Then research what
    > units were involved, etc and proceed as above.
    >
    > -or-
    >
    > Maybe I'd just build a diorama that pleases me, and not worry whether it
    > represents a particular historical incident or any units' documented uniform
    > on any given day. (Heresy!) This is a hobby, they're just toy soldiers, and
    > the main thing is to please yourself in your all-too-scarce leisure time.
    >
    > But I don't mean to belittle striving for historical accuracy. We're mostly
    > historical twitchers (erm, I mean modellers) on this board, and if you want
    > to know what pattern underwear was issued to the 97th Foote on June 19,
    > 1779, we'll help you find out.
    >
    > So, what do _you_ want to do, John?
    >
    >
    >
  9. Archived from groups: rec.games.miniatures.historical (More info?)

    Hi:
    You wrote:
    >I really want buld an army focused on the New York To New Jersey
    >Campaigns. From what you have tought me and from what I have read each
    >year the army seemd to be clothed differently...
    >
    >As far as specific battles
    >Monmouth
    >Deleware crossing
    >Trenton
    >Princetion
    >
    >ect..
    You must be aware that even the apearance of troops on the battlefield will
    change. The Monmouth Army benefited from Von Steuben's Drill and had probably a
    greater percentage of blue coated Contintentals and State troops. For example,
    John Glover's Marblehead mariner regiment would look a lot difference
    (including the fact that at Trenton most were armed with gaffing hooks and
    pikes) from the poorly dressed land lubbers that made up the rest of the army.
    Glover's men would not be there for Monmouth which was according to most
    interpretations a draw.

    If I were doing a diorama there might be several "choice" scenes. First, at
    Trenton you might have the advance into the village while Hessian troops
    hastily attempted to form up. A second choice might be to have Washington
    taking command at Monmouth or having Wayne's advance guard confront the British
    rear guard. A confrontation between two firing lines standing forty yards apart
    and blazing away might be a powerful image particularly if you choose to add
    casualties on the ground or actually at the moment of being hit which are
    available from Old Glory.

    Hope these thought help. Good luck and enjoy your painting.
    jerry
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    "MltryHstrn" <mltryhstrn@aol.com> wrote in message
    news:20041120100725.06183.00000553@mb-m27.aol.com...
    > Hi:
    > You wrote:
    >>I really want buld an army focused on the New York To New Jersey
    >>Campaigns. From what you have tought me and from what I have read each
    >>year the army seemd to be clothed differently...
    >>
    >>As far as specific battles
    >>Monmouth
    >>Deleware crossing
    >>Trenton
    >>Princetion
    >>
    > If I were doing a diorama there might be several "choice" scenes. First,
    > at
    > Trenton you might have the advance into the village while Hessian troops
    > hastily attempted to form up. A second choice might be to have Washington
    > taking command at Monmouth or having Wayne's advance guard confront the
    > British
    > rear guard. A confrontation between two firing lines standing forty yards
    > apart
    > and blazing away might be a powerful image particularly if you choose to
    > add
    > casualties on the ground or actually at the moment of being hit which are
    > available from Old Glory.

    Listen to Jerry. Truth is, my interest in the AWI is mainly in frontier
    warfare, and I have only limited knowledge of the main armies' campaigns in
    the east. Um, the Delaware crossing and battle of Trenton occurred in the
    winter, after a long, losing campaign. The Continentals at that time were
    awfully ragged, and their rags bundled up in whatever greatcoats, blankets,
    mufflers, etc. they could get hold of to keep warm. If you want to see
    pretty uniforms, pick a battle where the weather was better. Maybe Monmouth
    would be your best choice.
  11. Archived from groups: rec.games.miniatures.historical (More info?)

    >HI! TRY WWW.UELAC.COM/GAZETTE (IT'S THE UNITED EMPIRE LOYALIST
    >ASSOCIATION OF CANADA WEBSITE)

    It's actually www.uelac.org/

    Good Luck.

    Mike
  12. Archived from groups: rec.games.miniatures.historical (More info?)

    Some general questions
    When we think of the Continental Army what do most of us think about?
    Which time period of the revolution is most depicted in miniature?
    Why are their not instructios on how to paint such an army?


    I read the book Washington's Crossing and the army really didn't start
    to form until after the actual crossing of the deleware. There was a
    general uprising from all over the state of NJ. It would seem to me to
    paint and create an army after the battles of NJ. Like you stated when
    the uniforms become more recognizable in the traditional continental
    blue. I have learned so much from this one book. I am going to continue
    reading for more clues.


    The real problem is not what really to paint them but what time period
    to depict.

    MltryHstrn wrote:
    > Hi:
    > You wrote:
    >
    >>I really want buld an army focused on the New York To New Jersey
    >>Campaigns. From what you have tought me and from what I have read each
    >>year the army seemd to be clothed differently...
    >>
    >>As far as specific battles
    >>Monmouth
    >>Deleware crossing
    >>Trenton
    >>Princetion
    >>
    >>ect..
    >
    > You must be aware that even the apearance of troops on the battlefield will
    > change. The Monmouth Army benefited from Von Steuben's Drill and had probably a
    > greater percentage of blue coated Contintentals and State troops. For example,
    > John Glover's Marblehead mariner regiment would look a lot difference
    > (including the fact that at Trenton most were armed with gaffing hooks and
    > pikes) from the poorly dressed land lubbers that made up the rest of the army.
    > Glover's men would not be there for Monmouth which was according to most
    > interpretations a draw.
    >
    > If I were doing a diorama there might be several "choice" scenes. First, at
    > Trenton you might have the advance into the village while Hessian troops
    > hastily attempted to form up. A second choice might be to have Washington
    > taking command at Monmouth or having Wayne's advance guard confront the British
    > rear guard. A confrontation between two firing lines standing forty yards apart
    > and blazing away might be a powerful image particularly if you choose to add
    > casualties on the ground or actually at the moment of being hit which are
    > available from Old Glory.
    >
    > Hope these thought help. Good luck and enjoy your painting.
    > jerry
    >
  13. Archived from groups: rec.games.miniatures.historical (More info?)

    One of the problems is that most wargamers actually believe that the
    Continental are actually had uniforms, and are unwillng to accept that for
    the most part, much of this army wore civilian clothing with mixed uniform
    parts.
  14. Archived from groups: rec.games.miniatures.historical (More info?)

    Mike Hillsgrove wrote:

    > One of the problems is that most wargamers actually believe that the
    > Continental are actually had uniforms, and are unwillng to accept that for
    > the most part, much of this army wore civilian clothing with mixed uniform
    > parts.

    Mike's right. Uniforms??? what uniforms?

    The USA had no money and poor credit. Very unlikely any entire unit was
    "Uniform" The same could be said of some of the French armies of the
    Napoleonic Period as well. This really isn't anything new. Folks did
    the best they could and improvised when they couldn't.

    Still creating the fiction of uniformed Continentals isn't all bad
    either. Hard to find those armed civilian figs. ;-)

    mjc
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