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February 21, 2005 1:26:57 AM

price vs performance vs ease of setup
i`m not so sure i can do raid it seems above my head
but is maxtor close in speed to WD raptor?
if so this would seem a great deal
but is maxtor any good? i`ve always bought WD
February 21, 2005 7:23:39 AM

I think someone in this forum has led me to this link:
http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2094
It is the test about the 16 MB Maxtor. I have got trouble using SATA so I think of IDE alternative.According to this review, maybe an IDE with ... 32 MB would be equal to task (!!). I wonder why they have not made such a hard disk, even an 64 MB buffer.
February 21, 2005 11:23:29 AM

Because it is not needed, i don' think performance scales with the amount of cache the Harddrive has.

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February 21, 2005 1:28:55 PM

Maxtors Maxline 3's come close in some areas, and slightly behind in others.
Overall I would say the speed is about equal.
The reason more cache is not put on harddrives is that it gets costly due to manufacturing process and the more cache you put, the higher the chance for drive rejects.
This is why only the high end drives have 8 or 16mb cache, which is about the manufacturing/cost limit.

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February 21, 2005 3:09:36 PM

What is NCQ, and how do I tell if a MB offers it?

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February 21, 2005 5:42:31 PM

The way I see it, the Maxtor Maxline 3's are a better deal. More megabytes per buck, and speed difference is negligible.
I think all new SATA controllers support NCQ.
The intel ICH6R and above has full ncq support.

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February 21, 2005 5:55:07 PM

Also Silicon Image Sil-3114 controller onboard support NCQ

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February 22, 2005 2:03:40 PM

so for someone like me
who doesn`t use much hdd space (my current system 30-40 GB tops) a 74 GB raptor is prob the easiest cheapest way to get the easiest fastest hd?

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February 22, 2005 2:05:51 PM

great link thanks

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February 22, 2005 7:25:50 PM

I do not quite believe that they do not put more cache because of cost. Back to the time when Presscot was highly anticipated because of double cache, poeple thought performance would increase dramatically just like compare Cel to P4 or P4 to EE. I still remember one explaination to question that why Intell did not puts more cach into CPU to get an monster one to really beat AMD.The explaination was that it is very expensive to make cache, just like DDRAM running at 3Ghz.

Sound good but now it turns out Intel was able to put much more cach into their CPU without much more additional cost.

So for hard disk, I think of other reason.
February 22, 2005 8:16:50 PM

Well, cost is a big reason. Ever wonder why a <A HREF="http://www.neqx.com/product.asp?pf_id=CH1072" target="_new"> 3GHz Xeon 800mhz with 4mb cache runs $4,000 </A> yet a <A HREF="http://www.neqx.com/product.asp?pf_id=CH1111R" target="_new"> 3GHz Xeon 800mhz with 1mb cache only runs $300 </A>

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February 22, 2005 10:32:08 PM

Hard drive cache memory is very slow. The PCI bus is limmited to 127 MB/s, SATA to 150 MB/s.

PC100 SDRAM would be overkill.

Plus have you actually compared the prices of the 2mb vs 8 mb western digital drives. Factor in the 1 year vs 3 year warranty coverage and the memory cost must be minimal.

Anyway I have five other hard drives so I went for the 74 GB Raptor.

If I had to live with just one hard drive I would have chosen the Maxtors capacity over the Raptor's Speed.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Codesmith on 02/22/05 09:21 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
February 22, 2005 11:44:40 PM

The cost is not just in the memory, it is in the failure rate during manufacturing. The more cache, the higher the failure rate during production. That is why I said that that only the high end drives have 8 or 16mb cache, which is about the manufacturing/cost limit.
I do believe, Hell, I own a Raptor 74gig, that Raptors are the best, but Maxtor Maxline III's are just about as fast, and in some areas faster, but a much better value per megabyte!!!


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February 24, 2005 3:19:55 AM

supposidly maxtors don`t work with all systems is this true?
plus i`ve always used WD are maxtors high quality like WD?

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February 24, 2005 3:52:17 PM

It depends what you want the drive for. If it's an OS drive get a Raptor, it's killer seek times will make your OS and apps run smooth as clockwork. If it's for a data storage drive get the Maxtor, can't store much on a Raptor and the continuous R/W isn't much slower on the Maxtor, seek times suck ass on the maxtor, but then data storage doesn't require much randon seeking. If you need a drive for both decide which you need the most, storage space or slick smooth OS.
February 24, 2005 5:21:01 PM

02/24/05 12:52 PM
Re: raid vs raptor vs maxtor 16mb [re: arnold873]

It depends what you want the drive for. If it's an OS drive get a Raptor, it's killer seek times will make your OS and apps run smooth as clockwork. If it's for a data storage drive get the Maxtor, can't store much on a Raptor and the continuous R/W isn't much slower on the Maxtor, seek times suck ass on the maxtor, but then data storage doesn't require much randon seeking. If you need a drive for both decide which you need the most, storage space or slick smooth OS.


very good points
i think i`ll get one raptor for os and applications
another for games
and a third drive for all my porn :) 

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February 24, 2005 5:38:09 PM

LOL :evil: 

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February 24, 2005 5:49:25 PM

Re: raid vs raptor vs maxtor 16mb [re: arnold873]

LOL

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February 24, 2005 6:05:51 PM

Hey, I pretty much had the same question:

How many 80GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache Maxtor SATA in RAID-0 to perform as:
a: 36GB 10k Raptor SATA ?
b: 74GB 10K Raptor SATA ?
c: 300GB 7200RPN 16MB Maxtor SATA ?
d: 2x36GB 10k Raptor SATA in RAID-0 ?

I know it might be a difficult/stupid theory/question, but I would like to know.. (I know nothing about raid's precise performance, see)

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February 24, 2005 7:39:25 PM

Sweet!! :cool:

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February 24, 2005 8:34:59 PM

read the RAID FAQ's at www.storagereview.com

Almost everthing you do on your desktop computer is CPU bound, so most games/applications show no improvement.

Things will load faster with a faster drive, and if you are doing a lot of simple video editing (no filters, just cutting and reordering scenes) then any hard drive performance increase will help.
February 25, 2005 5:38:04 AM

cool, I'll be sure to check it out.

right, I just notice long loadingtimes in most blockbuster FPS. My most recent RPG, vampire:bloodlines suffers from hdd lagg in the load/save menus (when a game is in progress) due to the heavy memoryload already utilized by the game.

The thing is just that I can get the more common drives a lot cheaper than the 10k drives, since our shop don't sell them

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February 25, 2005 12:33:22 PM

Maxtor has a long history and makes drives for servers and workstations, SCSI, SATA and PATA. Their Maxline drives are near-line drives intended for 24/7 operation and still come with 3-year warranties.

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February 25, 2005 5:34:12 PM

Maxtor has a long history and makes drives for servers and workstations, SCSI, SATA and PATA. Their Maxline drives are near-line drives intended for 24/7 operation and still come with 3-year warranties.

i dunno i`m so used to using WD
just like intel and nvidia
but this time i`m going with amd (much cheaper and better)
and possible ati (still has to be seen)


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February 25, 2005 6:01:04 PM

Quote:
i dunno i`m so used to using WD
just like intel and nvidia
but this time i`m going with amd (much cheaper and better)
and possible ati (still has to be seen)

Lol that's so like me it's scary, except I <b> WILL </b> be using ATI :smile:

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February 26, 2005 10:04:38 PM

OMG. [quote*] [/quote*] (remove the * ) That hard?

I love Raptors. I am an impatient person, so the quicker seek times make me happy. I'm itching to get some SCSI 15k drives!

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