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Dell Studio XPS 435T has the best performance! UPDATE 11/28/2009

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September 20, 2009 1:28:53 AM

Hi everyone! I'm new to this forum and like it very much! I purchased a new Dell computer a few months ago, its my 2nd Dell computer. I read a lot of complaints about Dell on this forum. I'm truly sorry for all of you that have had bad and negative times with Dell. The truth of the matter is that there are good things about Dell.

Item Number Quantity Item Description
224-4399 1 Studio XPS 435T
317-0067 1 Studio XPS 435T, Intel Core i7-920 processor(8MB L3 Cache 2.66GHz)
317-0076 1 6GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz
330-0915 1 Dell Consumer Multimedia Keyboard
320-7810 1 No Monitor
320-7889 1 1024MB ATI Radeon HD 4870 GDDR5
341-8517 1 640GB Serial ATA 2 Hard Drive 7200 RPM
421-0084 1 Microsoft Windows Vista SP1 Home Premium 64-Bit Edition Edition English
330-3184 1 Dell Resource DVD with Application Backup
420-8873 1 Dell Dock Consumer
420-8874 1 Dell Video Chat
463-2282 1 Dell Owners Manual installed on your system,click on icon after system set-up to access
421-0323 1 Windows Live Search,Multiple User Interface
421-0427 1 Dell Movie Store
420-9691 1 DataSafe Local BackUp 2.0 Basic
420-6436 1 Vista, PC-Restore, Dim/Insp
330-1158 1 Dell USB 6-Button Laser Mouse
313-4593 1 56K PCI Data Fax Modem
410-1867 1 ADOBE READER 9.0 MULTI- LANGUAGE
313-7425 1 16X DVD+/-RW
420-8152 1 Roxio Creator 10.2 Dell Edition
421-0543 1 Power DVD 8.2, DVD
313-7878 1 Soundblaster X-Fi Titanium
313-4514 1 No Speaker Requested
430-3347 1 Integrated 10/1000 Ethernet
410-2156 1 Norton Internet Security 2009 MUI, 15-Month
420-8103 1 Microsoft Works 9.0, English
950-3338 1 2 Year Limited Warranty
993-5468 1 Dell Hardware Limited Warranty Plus Onsite Service Extended Year(s)
993-5477 1 Dell Hardware Limited Warranty Plus Onsite Service Initial Year
986-1361 1 Next Business Day Parts and Labor On-Site Service, 1 Year Extended
992-6100 1 Next Business Day Parts and Labor On-Site Service, Initial Year
902-0931 1 Warranty Support,1 Year Extended
960-8700 1 Warranty Support,Initial Year
412-0360 1 Soft Contracts - Banctec
988-7707 1 2GB DATASAFE ONLINE 1.1 FOR SDO/DIM/INS/XPS
988-0099 1 To activate your online backupaccount, go to Start, Programs, DataSafe Online
420-9518 1 DATASAFE ONLINE 1.1 2GB FOR DIM/INS/XPS
330-0172 1 S and P Drop-in-Box Marcom forDHS Desktops
310-8626 1 You have chosen a Windows Vista Premium System
420-9800 1 Dell Remote Access free basic to access your PCs from outside your home
993-1919 1 Dell Remote Access, free basic service - access your PCs and files from outside your home
* -DISCOUNT/COUPON APPLIED
Subtotal: $1,419.00
Shipping and Handling: $0.00
Sales Tax: $117.49
Total: $1,536.49

The secret to buying from Dell is to customize your computer very well and research as many components simply buy going to their websites. For example I checked out the graphics card ATI Radeon 4870 1 gig and I saw that it was one of their top of the line graphics card. I play Crysis, Street Fighter 4 and all my other games very well. The games run very smoothly with excellent graphic detail. I also knew that most computer games now need at least 512MG graphic memory to run, and also knew that significant system memory may be allocated to support graphics, depending on system memory size and other factors. So what that means is that your windows OS will take a certain portion of memory from your graphics card.

Dell has changed the name of Studio XPS 435 to Studio XPS 9000. Now you can add the ATI Radeon HD 5870 1 GB GDDR graghics card instead of the OEM nVidia GTS 240 1024MB or the ATI Radeon HD 4350 512MB graphics cards.


I have to have a very good computer because I'm an internet psychic at www.keen.com/clairvoyant+christopher I make money with my computer. I also use Cacheman 7 which speeds and optimizes windows OS very well. http://cacheman.outertech.com to download the latest version of Cacheman. You can try it before you buy it.

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I predict that this computer will last me at least 4 years and then I will consider buying the Alienware line of computers or I will build my own. I think that I got a good price and a good value from Dell.
September 21, 2009 2:59:23 AM

clairvoyant christopher said:
The bad thing about this is that Dell has completely changed and replaced them with cheap quality OEM graphics cards (nvidia GeForce GT 220, GTS 240 and GTX260 1792MB.

1. The GTX 260 on nvidia's website is 896MB so this particular graphics card is being made especially & exclusively for Dell. OEM graphic cards can't be purchased they only come with computer systems. I predict that a lot of people that get stuck with theses cards are not going to be happy!

2. I looked at the Nvidia GeForce GT 220 & GTS 240 and they look like cheap old & out dated graphics cards. So I did some more research on these 2 cards and found this out: Nvidia Corp. has quietly started to offer GeForce GTS 240 and GeForce GT 220 graphics cards to original equipment manufacturers. The new offering from the leading designer of graphics chips is not something new, but a rebranded version of the GeForce 9800 GT product that is a re-named version of the model 8800 GT, a device launched back in late 2007. The Geforce GT 220 is based on the Geforce 9500 but is supposed to have higher frequencies. Both cards have 1 gig of memory.


1. GTX cards with 896 MB of memory are the most common available and in no way identify as card as OEM. Here is the page of GTX 260 cards from newegg and 16 of the 18 listed are 896 MB cards - and retail not OEM:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

Your facts are just all wrong on this one. So you drew a very faulty conclusion - that people stuck with them will be unhappy - from totally bogus information.

2. The GT 220 and GTS 240 are not old and out dated - just the oppposite - they are so new they have not been released to the public yet. Where are you getting your info on these cards and why are you knocking them ? They are an updated replacement for lower end graphics cards that will be built with I think a smaller 40 nm process making them more power efficient and cooler.
September 21, 2009 1:25:33 PM

I was not saying that the GeForce GTX 260 896MB was a OEM card. The GTX 260 1792MB is because it is not on Nvidia's website at all. When you go to Nvidia's website the only GeForce GTX 260 is 896MB not 1792 MB. As far as the GeForce GT 220 & GeForce GTS 240 they are rebranded and they have been released to the public just look at the Dell Studio XPS 9000 on Dell's website. All 3 cards are not made as well as the ATI Radeon 4870 1gig. Take a look at this article:

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,675670/Geforce-graph...
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September 21, 2009 6:00:52 PM

Sorry, did not realize that you did not mean what you wrote: "The GTX 260 on nvidia's website is 896MB so this particular graphics card is being made especially & exclusively for Dell. "

You now say that you meant the 1792 MB cards were Dell only. But the link I provided above and repeat below shows two retail GTX 260 cards - EVGA and MSI - with 1792 MB of memory. So they are not just OEM cards either.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...


What is your source for writing "All 3 cards are not made as well as the ATI Radeon 4870 1gig." The article you link says nothing at all about the performance of the nVidia cards - in fact it was written 7 months ago and only talks about unconfirmed reports about the cards. Futhermore, these cards are not positioned to go against the 4870. nVidias cards bracketing the 4870 are the GTS 250 and GTX 260. Not surprising that a 220 and 240 then are not as fast as the 4870. Saying what you did is not different than attacking the ATI 4850 because it is "not made as well" as the ATI 4870 and 4890.

It talks about the GTS 250 as one of the to be issued "rebranded" cards too. That card was issued about 6 months ago to excellent reviews. Its perfomrance positions it between the 4850 and 4870 and, according to the THG reports, it just becomes a pricing question as to which card to buy.
September 22, 2009 4:41:50 PM

clairvoyant christopher said:
The GTX 260 1792MB is because it is not on Nvidia's website at all. When you go to Nvidia's website the only GeForce GTX 260 is 896MB not 1792 MB.
NVidia doesn't actually make video cards.
EVGA GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 1792 MB, 448 bit DDR3
September 23, 2009 3:17:16 PM

I built an i7 rig not too long ago for around $1050 total :

i7 920
asus p6t deluxe
12gb ocz ddr3-1066
2gb hd4870
300gb velociraptor

Dell is notorious for having horrible "upgrade" pricing on most of their parts. How much was it to "upgrade" to that 4870?

My beef with dells "upgrade" pricing is that there is already a part in place, and you're wanting to replace that part with a better part. Yet, the existing part isn't taken into account by dell in this "upgrade" and is simply replaced with another part which is often priced @ at least 125% of retail value but often far above that.

I do like dells though. my co-worker is talking about buying a dell i7 system w\ similar specs to yours off of the dell outlet for $750ish.
September 23, 2009 8:49:33 PM

I think it cost about $100 more to customize my graphics card when I was ordering it. I did look at Dell's outlet, but at the time when I purchased the Studio XPS 435T Dell was having a very good sale and it would of cost me more to buy a refurbished computer than a brand new computer.

$750ish sounds like a good price! The Dell outlet computers go fast! So their must be some good deals. I noticed that when I look at the Dell outlet computers most of them seem to have slightly older CPU,Ram,graphic cards and other components, so if you know what you're looking for and most importantly if you know your prices than you can find a good deal.

Those are very good specs on the computer rig you built.

I also noticed that the only way to get a Dell computer with a good graphics card brand new is to purchase the gaming XPS 630 only. Then you can chose between the Nvidia GeForce GTX 285 and the CrossFireX, Dual ATI Radeon HD 4870 1024MB graphic cards. All of Dell's other computers are flooded with cheap quality and rebranded OEM graphic cards.
September 24, 2009 8:29:05 PM

clairvoyant christopher said:
All of Dell's other computers are flooded with cheap quality and rebranded OEM graphic cards.


What source or proof do you have for that statement? I do not beleive it is true - although it is confusing.

First - why mention "OEM" cards? That designation has nothing to do with quality - many quality manufacturers sell the same card as OEM and retail - the difference between OEM and retail is in who - the video card or computer manufacturer - warranties and provides support for the product and sometimes in features or accessories. It has nothing to do with quality like you are using the word. By the way - I bet most if not all PC manufacturers use OEM graphics cards.

Second - as to saying they use cheap quality - my Dell OEM video card was an MSI card no different than their retail versions - and not rebranded - it clearly said MSI.

Third - Dell would be stupid to use cheap components. It would ruin the fairly good reputation they have and result in huge warranty repair costs.

I sure wish you would limit your comments to things you know about and quit trying to repeatedly bash Dell based on faulty information and conjecture. You started this thread with bad informaiton - I guess you wanted to end it that way too.

But I would appreciate an answer to may question above.
September 24, 2009 8:56:49 PM

WR2 said:
NVidia doesn't actually make video cards.
EVGA GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 1792 MB, 448 bit DDR3



Actually Nvidia do make videocards but some manufacturers rebadge them and call them their own.


I know this as when the 8800gtx came out 3 years ago ( well just under ) evga badged a nvidia made card. Alot still do today.
Sparkle, evga and xfx i thing still do but put their own heat sink variant on it and asus, gigabyte etc work with the same blue print but with tweaks.

Nvida also make the mobile videocard upgradable platform for generic laptops.

the wording for this nvidia board is called a reference board.

September 24, 2009 9:00:36 PM

clairvoyant christopher said:
Hi everyone! I'm new to this forum and like it very much! I purchased a new Dell computer a few months ago, its my 2nd Dell computer. I read a lot of complaints about Dell on this forum. I'm truly sorry for all of you that have had bad and negative times with Dell. The truth of the matter is that there are good things about Dell and their are very bad things about Dell which I will point out to you a little later.

Item Number Quantity Item Description
224-4399 1 Studio XPS 435T
317-0067 1 Studio XPS 435T, Intel Core i7-920 processor(8MB L3 Cache 2.66GHz)
317-0076 1 6GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz
330-0915 1 Dell Consumer Multimedia Keyboard
320-7810 1 No Monitor
320-7889 1 1024MB ATI Radeon HD 4870 GDDR5
341-8517 1 640GB Serial ATA 2 Hard Drive 7200 RPM
421-0084 1 Microsoft Windows Vista SP1 Home Premium 64-Bit Edition Edition English
330-3184 1 Dell Resource DVD with Application Backup
420-8873 1 Dell Dock Consumer
420-8874 1 Dell Video Chat
463-2282 1 Dell Owners Manual installed on your system,click on icon after system set-up to access
421-0323 1 Windows Live Search,Multiple User Interface
421-0427 1 Dell Movie Store
420-9691 1 DataSafe Local BackUp 2.0 Basic
420-6436 1 Vista, PC-Restore, Dim/Insp
330-1158 1 Dell USB 6-Button Laser Mouse
313-4593 1 56K PCI Data Fax Modem
410-1867 1 ADOBE READER 9.0 MULTI- LANGUAGE
313-7425 1 16X DVD+/-RW
420-8152 1 Roxio Creator 10.2 Dell Edition
421-0543 1 Power DVD 8.2, DVD
313-7878 1 Soundblaster X-Fi Titanium
313-4514 1 No Speaker Requested
430-3347 1 Integrated 10/1000 Ethernet
410-2156 1 Norton Internet Security 2009 MUI, 15-Month
420-8103 1 Microsoft Works 9.0, English
950-3338 1 2 Year Limited Warranty
993-5468 1 Dell Hardware Limited Warranty Plus Onsite Service Extended Year(s)
993-5477 1 Dell Hardware Limited Warranty Plus Onsite Service Initial Year
986-1361 1 Next Business Day Parts and Labor On-Site Service, 1 Year Extended
992-6100 1 Next Business Day Parts and Labor On-Site Service, Initial Year
902-0931 1 Warranty Support,1 Year Extended
960-8700 1 Warranty Support,Initial Year
412-0360 1 Soft Contracts - Banctec
988-7707 1 2GB DATASAFE ONLINE 1.1 FOR SDO/DIM/INS/XPS
988-0099 1 To activate your online backupaccount, go to Start, Programs, DataSafe Online
420-9518 1 DATASAFE ONLINE 1.1 2GB FOR DIM/INS/XPS
330-0172 1 S and P Drop-in-Box Marcom forDHS Desktops
310-8626 1 You have chosen a Windows Vista Premium System
420-9800 1 Dell Remote Access free basic to access your PCs from outside your home
993-1919 1 Dell Remote Access, free basic service - access your PCs and files from outside your home
* -DISCOUNT/COUPON APPLIED
Subtotal: $1,419.00
Shipping and Handling: $0.00
Sales Tax: $117.49
Total: $1,536.49

The secret to buying from Dell is to customize your computer very well and research as many components simply buy going to their websites. For example I checked out the graphics card ATI Radeon 4870 1 gig and I saw that it was one of their top of the line graphics card. I play Crysis, Street Fighter 4 and all my other games very well. The games run very smoothly with excellent graphic detail. I also knew that most computer games now need at least 512MG graphic memory to run, and also knew that significant system memory may be allocated to support graphics, depending on system memory size and other factors. So what that means is that your windows OS will take a certain portion of memory from your graphics card.

I have to have a very good computer because I'm an internet psychic at www.keen.com/clairvoyant+christopher I make money with my computer. I also use Cacheman 7 which speeds and optimizes windows OS very well. http://cacheman.outertech.com to download the latest version of Cacheman. You can try it before you buy it.

Dell has changed the name of Studio XPS 435 to Studio XPS 9000. The bad thing about this is that Dell has completely changed and replaced them with cheap quality OEM graphics cards (nvidia GeForce GT 220, GTS 240 and GTX260 1792MB. The GTX 260 on nvidia's website is 896MB so this particular graphics card is being made especially & exclusively for Dell. OEM graphic cards can't be purchased they only come with computer systems. I predict that a lot of people that get stuck with theses cards are not going to be happy! I looked at the Nvidia GeForce GT 220 & GTS 240 and they look like cheap old & out dated graphics cards. So I did some more research on these 2 cards and found this out: Nvidia Corp. has quietly started to offer GeForce GTS 240 and GeForce GT 220 graphics cards to original equipment manufacturers. The new offering from the leading designer of graphics chips is not something new, but a rebranded version of the GeForce 9800 GT product that is a re-named version of the model 8800 GT, a device launched back in late 2007. The Geforce GT 220 is based on the Geforce 9500 but is supposed to have higher frequencies. Both cards have 1 gig of memory.

I predict that this computer will last me at least 4 years and then I will consider buying the Alienware line of computers or I will build my own. I think that I got a good price and a good value from Dell.



All i can say is this..

Get a decent setup custom made. Get a decent heatsink and fan and get 965 extreme edition performance from a 920 i7

You cant do that with a dell.

Alienware - put a green case round it and a Alien sticker on it and price it twice as much.
September 24, 2009 11:52:11 PM

To: RockyJohn You have not purchased a new Dell computer for a while. I was thinking of purchasing another Dell for gaming for my brothers 16th birthday. A few months ago I purchased a new Dell XPS 435T that had a 4870 HD 1 gig graphics card. This article explains the OEM cards that Dell is using: http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,675670/Geforce-graph... This is also a good article: http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?id=28309&catid=2 And this is another good article: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/7/9/nvidia-si...!.aspx

The news articles prove that the quality of the Nvidia GeForce GTS 240 and GeForce GT 220 OEM graphic cards are not as good of quality as the ATI Radeon 4870 1 gig. graphic cards which is what I got with my new Dell computer. These 2 graphic cards only need a 350 watts of power to run in some of the Dell models. So they are not powerful graphic cards. In the news articles in points out how these graphic cards are behind the other Nvidia cards. And I know that by now I or you would not ever want one of these OEM cards.

If anyone else has read this post this far, thank you for reading. You can go to Nvidia's website for more information on all the cards that they make. http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_family.html

If you look at and compare the GTS 240 & GT 220 to the other 200 series models you'll see a big difference for yourself.
September 25, 2009 4:26:09 AM

clairvoyant christopher said:
The news articles prove that the quality of the Nvidia GeForce GTS 240 and GeForce GT 220 OEM graphic cards are not as good of quality as the ATI Radeon 4870 1 gig. graphic cards which is what I got with my new Dell computer.


Please show me one place in any of your four articles linked in your post where they state anything even remotely like your quote above.

Perhaps you should start by stating what you mean by the “quality” of the cards. In an earlier post you used the term “are not made as well as the 4870”. When you say "not as good quality" are you talking about the quality of the components, the manufacturing, or the performance?

I challenge you to find me any statement at all in the four articles you claimed proved you point that says anything about component or manufacturing quality of the nVidia cards.

So do you mean performance? "Quality" is NOT performance- but in case you mean that - I already answered it in my second post above. Those cards are not positioned to compete with the 4870 - they are not intended or claimed to be as fast. So if you mean performance- what is your point? Your comment is like attacking a Ford Focus because it does not perform like a Ferrari. Instead of comparing the 220 and 240 to AMDs 4870 why not compare the right cards - nVidia's 260 or 275?

In addition you did not answer my earlier question – you seem to ramble and evade issues like Sarah Palin. My previous request was for you to support your earlier statement that “that “All of Dell's other computers are flooded with cheap quality and rebranded OEM graphic cards. Just providing some press information about nVidias new cards does not prove that earlier statement.

I now ask you to:
1. Tell if you are confusing performance with quality of construction - or something else - so we know what you are talking about.
2. Provide quotes from the 4 articles you linked that prove your statement quoted in my post above - because I sure could not find them.
3. Provide support for the statement you made in an earlier post that I questioned before that you ignored - namely - “All of Dell's other computers are flooded with cheap quality and rebranded OEM graphic cards.

You really do respond like Sarah Palin – not answering a question but throwing out a lot more BS to hide the fact you don’t know what you are talking about and have not support for you attacks.
September 25, 2009 2:56:40 PM

I sound like Sarah Palin lol There is nothing wrong with Sarah Palin! What does she have to do with graphic cards? In a earlier post you started to agree with me. Now you're doing the opposite. You have something against women-Are you gay? You also don't read and comprehend that well, because the news articles explain everthing quite well. You don't have that much of a life to put people down. And I'm not arguing with you over graghic cards because I have a life and I respect myself. I don't have to put down others to make a point. Sarah Palin is a lady that a lot of people looked up to.
September 25, 2009 3:45:49 PM

clairvoyant christopher said:
I sound like Sarah Palin lol There is nothing wrong with Sarah Palin! What does she have to do with graphic cards? In a earlier post you started to agree with me. Now you're doing the opposite. You have something against women-Are you gay? You also don't read and comprehend that well, because the news articles explain everthing quite well. You don't have that much of a life to put people down. And I'm not arguing with you over graghic cards because I have a life and I respect myself. I don't have to put down others to make a point. Sarah Palin is a lady that a lot of people looked up to.



What the hell as being gay got to do with conversation. No I am not gay before you ask and I have no religion appart from right and wrong, good and bad - end of, but not that matters, you rant on about a Sarah Palin comment and create a situation about what you feel someones sexuality is..

Also proof that spirits exist so so out that unless Great Great Great Uncle


You have now shown what hangup you have by your response. Now go and play with your Dell, talk to the dead and be happy.

Being gay with reference to this is less than Sarah Palin has with video cards, hard disks or even floppy drives.. But if she has a computer which im sure she does she has more of a connection with video cards than being gay with his conversation.

Re consider what you have said and dont advertise your services on a forum setup to help genuine people with computer problems Most people come in here for help. They can go to another if they want talk to the dead, or have some ghost put the willies up them.

Well done for having a ego on your Dell machine, which if you ask any genuine enthusiast - they really couldnt give a monkeys about as its a Dell.
September 25, 2009 5:29:04 PM

The last message was not being directed to you HellBoy. It was intended for RockyJohn. He was the one saying that I sound like Sarah Palin.
September 25, 2009 6:31:30 PM

clairvoyant christopher said:
The last message was not being directed to you HellBoy. It was intended for RockyJohn. He was the one saying that I sound like Sarah Palin.


Ok Clairvoyant

But remember sexuality, racial or creed comments are not welcome here.

Well are all the same people but with different ideas and different backgrounds. What people are and where people come from has absolutely nothing to do with it and if it does in peoples minds then they have not learned anything from human mistakes in the past and human kind can not move forward. Respect must be given even if those replies are in a right or wrong answer - its the manor in which it is presented that can be questioned.

You havent actually gone around it the right way either, have you.
September 26, 2009 9:37:10 PM

clairvoyant christopher said:
I sound like Sarah Palin lol There is nothing wrong with Sarah Palin! What does she have to do with graphic cards? In a earlier post you started to agree with me. Now you're doing the opposite. You have something against women-Are you gay? You also don't read and comprehend that well, because the news articles explain everthing quite well. You don't have that much of a life to put people down. And I'm not arguing with you over graghic cards because I have a life and I respect myself. I don't have to put down others to make a point. Sarah Palin is a lady that a lot of people looked up to.


And you continue sounding like Sarah Palin - you still won't answer the questions asked - because what you said is wrong - but instead of admiting that or even trying to explain you throw up more verbiage then cop out.

Hellboy has already rightly taken you to task for your personal attacks - interjecting the ideas that I may be against women, or that I am gay (apparently you think there is something wrong with that - I do not care about anothers personal choice), or that I must not have much of a life - all bogus personal attacks intended to redirect the discussion away from your errors. Then you state the bold faced lie that you don't have to put others down - right after doing it. Not only are you putting me down - but every gay person in the country since you apparently beleive that is a negative thing since you use it as an attack to belittle.

You cop out by saying the news article explains it very well. But it does not. That is why I asked simply that you quote from the articles to show where your points are made.

You also use as an excuse "I have a life" - apparently also another personal attack on me implying that I do not. Besides being another childish attack it also makes no sense relative to the discussion because you could have simply answered my questions in the time it took you to write that post.

But like Sarah Palin you prefer to just throw out a lot of words to misdirect and make bogus attacks on others who are only trying to insure that readers are not mislead attacks with no support or based on wrong information.
September 27, 2009 5:52:07 AM

Whatever you say RockyJohn how about a truce

I very much enjoy my Dell Studio XPS 435T and I know that I chosed the correct graphics card. All I'm saying is that the OEM cards are different and they will probably play Crysis but you might have to tweak and adjust the game settings. The OEM cards have less cores than the other Nvidia 200 series cards, I checked that out myself on the Nvidia website. And by the way the Nvida GeForce GTX 260 1792MB is not an OEM card. Someone else pointed that out to me. It's just that Nvidia is not producing that card, but the other companies are selling it and the specs are very close to the GeForce GTX 260 896MB. So if anybody orders a Dell I would recomend that card over the OEM cards.

I do have a question for you, what are the advantages of having 2 graphics cards when 1 graphic card seems sufficient enough to run games?
September 27, 2009 4:01:59 PM

You ask for a truce then launch right back into making bogus statements. You apparently don't understand that you don't understand.

Your level of general knowledge about graphics cards is so low that you repeatedly misinform because you don't even understand the meaning of the words you use and you misuse them.

I now think that when you say "the OEM" cards above - you must be referring only to the GT 220 and GT 240 listed at Dell. But every card Dell puts in a computer is an OEM card - so the statement does not make sense. "OEM" means "original equipment manufacturer" and generally refers to a component only sold to such a manufacturer to be included in a system. It usually comes without the users manual and some additional components (such as cables) and without the usual service from the card manufacturer. The OEM company is expected to provide the service. As a result the OEM cards are usually considerably cheaper than the retail version.

When you go on to say the OEM cards have less cores than others in the nVidia 200 series that only makes sense if you assume again you are referring only to the 220 and 240 even though the others are available in OEM versions to the manufacturers as well. When you say the OEM cards have fewer cores - again assuming the 220 and 240 - the statement is without significance because those are known to be the lower cards on the nVidia family - thus the lower numbers. Its like telling people a 200 horsepower engine is less powerful than a 300 horsepower engine - duh.

Then you state that the GTX 260 1792MB is not an OEM card. How do you know? Just because someone else said it? Who said it? On this thread you said it was an OEM card and no one else has said differently. And how would someone know the manufacturer has not branded some as OEM and sold them to some computer manufacturer? Are they knowledgeable about all computers manufactured? But not knowing better and not understanding apparently what OEM cards are you just pick it up and pass on the misinformation.

You continue on to say "Its just that Nvidia is not producing that card". Well apparently you don't even understand - even though someone else pointed it out earlier - that Nvidia does not sell any cards. It only designs reference cards and sells the chips.

With your lack of knowledge you just make one mistake after another - and when you have this low level of knowledge you should not presume to be telling others what is what. And when someone calls you on it and corrects you - don't go trying to bluff your way through it with lies and offer more incorrect information.
September 27, 2009 6:30:20 PM

Well you have your opinion and I have the facts. Dell just does not just use OEM cards in all of their computers. Otherwise my graphic card would be an OEM. I'm not making bogus statements. When you bring Sarah Palin into a conversation, it just does not make any sense at all. Sarah Palin has nothing to do with garaphic cards. And you say that she lies to everyone in the world. What do yo have that back up that statement. At least I bring out news articles and you do is make up useless information and criticize others.
September 27, 2009 8:25:56 PM

clairvoyant christopher said:
Well you have your opinion and I have the facts. Dell just does not just use OEM cards in all of their computers. Otherwise my graphic card would be an OEM. I'm not making bogus statements. When you bring Sarah Palin into a conversation, it just does not make any sense at all. Sarah Palin has nothing to do with garaphic cards. And you say that she lies to everyone in the world. What do yo have that back up that statement. At least I bring out news articles and you do is make up useless information and criticize others.



These are the facts

foxcon build dells - a OEM
msi have supplied some of dells videocards their video cards proceed with MS- and a number look them up.
some one else ( I cant remember of hand ) supplies tv cards and capture cards ( a oem )
dell do not even make pcs anymore Foxconn is plastered all over the innards of some dells but you have to look for it.
foxconn is not a ethical company and make crap components.

Dell brands the drivers Dell like HP does to theirs when they use Asus motherboards.

look for subtle numbers on your components inside and look up on the internet some are supposed to be "dell" but all are made by some company in china
September 27, 2009 10:22:16 PM


clairvoyant christopher said:
And by the way the Nvida GeForce GTX 260 1792MB is not an OEM card.
Well you have your opinion and I have the facts.
Huh? Someone needs a better fact checker.

September 28, 2009 3:08:50 PM

You really have not stated what facts that I need to check out very clearly. If it's about the OEM Nvidia GeForce GTX 260 1792MB graphics card, then you need a better fact checker. You can go online and purchase this graphics card with other companies that are affiliated with Nvidia.
September 28, 2009 5:35:10 PM

clairvoyant christopher said:
Well you have your opinion and I have the facts. Dell just does not just use OEM cards in all of their computers. Otherwise my graphic card would be an OEM. I'm not making bogus statements.


You still have no clue and don't even understand OEM and retail cards - like I said before you don't even know what you don't know and that is dangerous. You obviously don't understand that a particular model of graphics card can be sold BOTH as OEM and retail. You apparently believe it has to be one or the other. You not only don't have the facts but you lack a basic understanding of the subject matter - as is repeatedly reflected above. And while we try to explain it to you - you just continue to protest that you are right. Being ignorant isn't so much a shame as being unwilling to learn.

clairvoyant christopher said:
When you bring Sarah Palin into a conversation, it just does not make any sense at all. Sarah Palin has nothing to do with garaphic cards.


Why does it not make sense to you? I clearly explained that I was comparing her method of communication - or lack thereof - with yours. It was about communications not graphic cards. I think I made that point very clear and if it does not make sense to you then the problem is yours.

clairvoyant christopher said:
And you say that she lies to everyone in the world. What do yo have that back up that statement. At least I bring out news articles and you do is make up useless information and criticize others.


Again with distortion? Show me anyplace above that I said she lies to everyone in the world. Again you totally distort things - just like Sarah Palin and again prove that point.

And I have made up no information nor provided any useless information - again you are making bogus, childish, retaliatory attacks. All I have done is repeatedly correct your inaccurate information. Providing inaccurate information that misleads others is harmful. And while you pat yourself on the back for providing news articles - you totally misrepresent and distort what they say.

Speaking of which, you have made several more posts but still have not responded to the earlier requests to show how those article you linked near the top of the thread support your earlier statements as you said they did. I ask again - please show me where - because I did not see it.

Finally, 3 of your posts ago you attacked me as not having much of a life because I was posting questions about your statements - and said that you had a life and thus were too busy to respond. But you have made three more posts since then. What happened to your life? And if you have that time - why not just once respond to my original request to show where the articles you linked support your attacks.

I think any readers of this thread can see by now that you have no idea what you are talking about and are not in danger from your bad information and bogus attacks. My work here is done.
September 28, 2009 9:39:25 PM

RockyJohn

You said earlier in one of your post that Sarah Palin BS's everything she says to cover up any lies that she tells! Any one reading this knows that your attacking me and that your being childish. Sarah Palin is a remarkable women, and you have a problem with this. You just type long useless messages. Sarah Palin is a bad example to use against me.

All that I've been explaining to you over & over again is that the Nvidia GeForce GT 220 & GeForce 240 are not as good of graphic cards for the extreme gamer. This information is no big deal at all. And you have not really checked out my sources and then you accuse me of lying. I'm just trying to help everyone out in this forum.

You just like harass me and give me a hard time for no reason.

GROW UP!
September 28, 2009 11:13:43 PM

clairvoyant christopher said:
And you have not really checked out my sources and then you accuse me of lying. I'm just trying to help everyone out in this forum.
He didn't accuse you of lying. :non: 
He said you didn't have a clue, and that is soooo true.
September 29, 2009 12:17:16 AM

I don't have a clue about what? And he did accuse me of lying. You are making negative remarks without even explaining why you're making them. It's easy to make untrue remarks, which is exactly what you're doing.

As far as me being clueless, I've looked at all the graphic cards on the Nvidia website and I know what I'm taking about.

I bet that you can't even explain how I'm clueless.
September 29, 2009 5:33:20 AM

He did not accuse you of lying.

Explain why you're clueless? No need. You're doing an excellent job at being clueless as we can read here.
September 29, 2009 5:35:04 AM

I knew this would be an entertaining topic when I saw the title: My new Dell Studio XPS 435T has the best performance!
Loved the Exclamation! point. ;) 
September 29, 2009 5:49:29 AM

If you think I'm clueless, I really don't care. After all you just make comments without explaining in full detail how I'm wrong. But this has been a profitable experience for me because I have gained more new clients from my first post in this forum. I've discovered that this is a very popular forum. So if I'm clueless I'm gaining something from this forum and you're not.
September 29, 2009 1:55:43 PM

Hellboy said:
These are the facts

foxcon build dells - a OEM
msi have supplied some of dells videocards their video cards proceed with MS- and a number look them up.
some one else ( I cant remember of hand ) supplies tv cards and capture cards ( a oem )
dell do not even make pcs anymore Foxconn is plastered all over the innards of some dells but you have to look for it.
foxconn is not a ethical company and make crap components.

Dell brands the drivers Dell like HP does to theirs when they use Asus motherboards.

look for subtle numbers on your components inside and look up on the internet some are supposed to be "dell" but all are made by some company in china


Thank you for the information HellBoy.
October 3, 2009 3:03:04 PM

Listen, guys... I just need to know if these cards will play FPS games at reasonable framerates, I mean considering Dell can stuff my computer with a Quad CPU and 4Gigs of RAM, it doesn't matter to me if the cards are somehow "inferior"... and I didn't exactly understand the whole OEM, "cheap quality" information... These are generation 10 Nvidia cards capable of supporting DirextX 10.1, this should be all I need.
October 3, 2009 4:05:24 PM

OK, I did a little bit of research, specifically I went in Wikipedia to look up Nvidia's GeForce 200 Series cards, and apparently... GTS 240 is possibly a rebrand of 9800GT... which would make it generation 9 card, not generation 10... confused!
October 3, 2009 5:36:50 PM

mandsbuilder said:
OK, I did a little bit of research, specifically I went in Wikipedia to look up Nvidia's GeForce 200 Series cards, and apparently... GTS 240 is possibly a rebrand of 9800GT... which would make it generation 9 card, not generation 10... confused!


Basically these OEM cards are outdated and if you were to use them you might have to adjust & tweak the game settings.
October 3, 2009 8:54:58 PM

clairvoyant christopher said:
Basically these OEM cards are outdated and if you were to use them you might have to adjust & tweak the game settings.


More BS. They use DirectX10 and are no more outdated than than any other nVidia or AMD card with the sole exception of the 5850, a high end card just released last month which is the only one using DirectX11.

Yes they use architecture used in prior cards but it is still current state of the art which is proven by the fact that the cards compete effectively with their counterpart AMD cards - which also still only use the same DirectX10.
If is very common not only for video card manufacturers but also CPU manufacturers to keep architecture similar when shrinking the die size as was the case with the 220 and 240. Then after haveing "shrunk" the old architecture to the new size, in the next version they introduce more significant architectural changes. And this cycle repeats, by nVidia, AMD, and Intel.

Chris - I sure wish you would quit offering your errant opinions about subjects which the prior posts have proven you know so little about. A user with the 220 and 240 cards will not have any more problems, nor need to adjust or tweak games, any more than another user with any other card. Your statement to the contrary is flat wrong. Why do you choose to continue making such a fool of yourself while you mislead readers?
October 3, 2009 9:26:17 PM

rockyjohn said:
More BS. They use DirectX10 and are no more outdated than than any other nVidia or AMD card with the sole exception of the 5850, a high end card just released last month which is the only one using DirectX11.

Yes they use architecture used in prior cards but it is still current state of the art which is proven by the fact that the cards compete effectively with their counterpart AMD cards - which also still only use the same DirectX10.
If is very common not only for video card manufacturers but also CPU manufacturers to keep architecture similar when shrinking the die size as was the case with the 220 and 240. Then after haveing "shrunk" the old architecture to the new size, in the next version they introduce more significant architectural changes. And this cycle repeats, by nVidia, AMD, and Intel.

Chris - I sure wish you would quit offering your errant opinions about subjects which the prior posts have proven you know so little about. A user with the 220 and 240 cards will not have any more problems, nor need to adjust or tweak games, any more than another user with any other card. Your statement to the contrary is flat wrong. Why do you choose to continue making such a fool of yourself while you mislead readers?


If there is a fool its you, those cards are outdated compared to the 5850 because some of my games require DirectX11 and why get 2 year old rebranded card that you won't be able to play all of my games on. All you like to do is insult me and give me a hard time.

There are kind people in this forum whom have helped me so much as far as giving advice & facts on building my own computer. I can see that your life is miserable because you go out of your way to be rude to me for no reason. And besides I've learned that it's better to build your own system rather than buying from Dell and getting a older OEM graphics card.

And if I were wrong there is more tactful & diplomatic way of telling me, but all you do is say nasty things to me. If you don't like what I'm saying why bother to respond. at all.

I told him that he might have to adjust the game settings. I never said that he would have to.
October 3, 2009 9:45:30 PM

clairvoyant christopher said:
All that I've been explaining to you over & over again is that the Nvidia GeForce GT 220 & GeForce 240 are not as good of graphic cards for the extreme gamer.

The last part - "the Nvidia GeForce GT 220 & GeForce 240 are not as good of graphic cards for the extreme gamer" I agree with. Had you said that all along there would have been no disagreement. But it it s a lie that "All that I've been explaining to you over & over again is" that. Just look at what you said before:

From your very first post - "I looked at the Nvidia GeForce GT 220 & GTS 240 and they look like cheap old & out dated graphics cards". Fact: they are the UPDATED versions of the same level of graphics card Dell was using before. And this is certainly different from what you claim above is all you that were explaining.

From your second post - "All 3 cards are not made as well as the ATI Radeon 4870 1gig". There is a huge difference between being "made as well as" and performance - or not being for an extreme gamer. No one ever said or expected the cards to perform as well as the 4870 - so, as I pointed out before, stating the obvious means nothing. But that they were not "made as well as" is an opinion which you are not qualified to make nor did you provide any support. As I pointed out after that - "The article you link says nothing at all about the performance of the nVidia cards - in fact it was written 7 months ago and only talks about unconfirmed reports about the cards". And this is certainly different than what you claim above is all that you were explaining.

From your fourth post - "The news articles prove that the quality of the Nvidia GeForce GTS 240 and GeForce GT 220 OEM graphic cards are not as good of quality as the ATI Radeon 4870. There is a huge difference between "quality" and performance - as I explained before. And this is certainly different than what you claim above is all that you were explaining.


clairvoyant christopher said:
And you have not really checked out my sources .


That is a lie. I did read them as I stated. That is how I know they did not state the things you allege they did. And when I challenged you to show where they supported your claims - you refused and offered lame excuses for not responding. I am shocked that after that refusal to show how they support your claim that you now throw them up again as support. Doing so is another lie - a gross misrepresentation of the facts. You cannot change a lie into fact by repeating it.

clairvoyant christopher said:
and then you accuse me of lying. I'm just trying to help everyone out in this forum..


I said that you lied because you did - as I have shown many times. And it is not helping others when you provide incorrect information as you did repeatedly. Nor is it helping when others point out your errors and you respond not by addressing the issue but with repeated personal attacks as you have.

clairvoyant christopher said:
You just like harass me and give me a hard time for no reason...


And you end with another combined lie and personal attack. It is obvious to any objective reader that what I have done is not harrassment but correcting your bogus claims so they would not mislead others and defending myself from your bogus personal attacks.

GROW UP![/quotemsg]
October 3, 2009 10:18:49 PM

clairvoyant christopher said:
If there is a fool its you, those cards are outdated compared to the 5850 because some of my games require DirectX11 and why get 2 year old rebranded card that you won't be able to play all of my games on. All you like to do is insult me and give me a hard time. .


Yes, those cards are outdated compared to the 5850 - I already pointed out that the new 5800 series cards have the newer instruction set. So I am a fool for not suggesting that everyone should purchase a $260 graphics card regardless of playing ability, budget, or interest? Again you do not make sense. Most people in fact probably would be happier with a less expensive graphics card today. Again you are showing your own foolishness with your bogus attack - not mine.

clairvoyant christopher said:
I can see that your life is miserable because you go out of your way to be rude to me for no reason. /quotemsg]

Again the combined lie and personal attack. Since I just answered that specific attack lie adequately in my last post, I will not repeat the explanation but it shows how litle you understand when you again repeat the bogus attack after I have shown it to be wrong. And we can see from your repeated bogus attacks who is being rude to who.

372443,36,481934 said:
And besides I've learned that it's better to build your own system rather than buying from Dell and getting a older OEM graphics card..
said:


Since you say "your" and not "my" you seem to be stating a recommendation for all rather than a personal preference. First let me say that the statement starts out by excluding other options - making it a false choice. It excludes purchases from other vendors. Second, it shows you continue to repeat your misunderstanding of OEM cards. And including OEM as a factor makes no sense since when you build your own you can also purchase less capable retail video cards. Alternatively, you can get Dells with powerful graphics cards that put many retail cards to shame. But beyond the limitation of your range of choices, elsewhere it has been demonstrated that neither option is superior for everyone - different people have different situations making different options preferable. For some, to buy from Dell or another vendor is best and for others BYO is best.


clairvoyant christopher said:
And if I were wrong there is more tactful & diplomatic way of telling me, but all you do is say nasty things to me. If you don't like what I'm saying why bother to respond. at all..


And more bogus personal attacks. I gave up trying to be tactful about the third time you kept repeating incorrect statements that I had shown to be wrong, kept lying about the linked articles supporting your statements but would not show where, and started making bogus personal attacks. And I have not said nasty things to you except that you lie and ramble to hide your lack of knowledge - both of which are true. I pointed them out hoping that you would see that behavior was not working and would stop but alas it continues. And I bother to respond so your incorrect statements do not go unchallenged to mislead others - as I have said before. You are the one being nasty not me.
October 3, 2009 10:27:20 PM

rockyjohn said:
The last part - "the Nvidia GeForce GT 220 & GeForce 240 are not as good of graphic cards for the extreme gamer" I agree with. Had you said that all along there would have been no disagreement. But it it s a lie that "All that I've been explaining to you over & over again is" that. Just look at what you said before:

From your very first post - "I looked at the Nvidia GeForce GT 220 & GTS 240 and they look like cheap old & out dated graphics cards". Fact: they are the UPDATED versions of the same level of graphics card Dell was using before. And this is certainly different from what you claim above is all you that were explaining.

From your second post - "All 3 cards are not made as well as the ATI Radeon 4870 1gig". There is a huge difference to between being "made as well as" and performance - or not being for an extreme gamer. No one ever said or expected the cards to perform as well as the 4870 - so, as I pointed out before, stating that means nothing. But that they were not "made as well as" is an opinion which you are not qualified to make nor did you provide an support. As I pointed out after that - "The article you link says nothing at all about the performance of the nVidia cards - in fact it was written 7 months ago and only talks about unconfirmed reports about the cards". And this is certainly different than your what you claim above is all that you were explaining.

From your fourth post - "The news articles prove that the quality of the Nvidia GeForce GTS 240 and GeForce GT 220 OEM graphic cards are not as good of quality as the ATI Radeon 4870. There is a huge difference between "quality" and performance - as I explained before. And this is certainly different than your what you claim is all that you were explaining.




That is a lie. I did read them. That is how I know they did not state the things you allege they did. And when I challenged you to show where they supported your claims - you refused and offered lame excuses for not responding. I am shocked that after that refusal to show how they supported your claim that you now throw them up again as support. Doing so is another lie - a gross misrepresentation of the facts. You cannot change a lie into fact by repeating it.



I said that you lied because you did - as I have shown many times. An it is not helping others when you provide incorrect information as you did repeatedly. Nor is it helping when others point out your errors and you respond not by addressing the issue but with repeated personal attacks as you have.



And you end with another combined lie and personal attack. It is obvious to any objective reader that what I have done is not harrassment but correcting your bogus claims so they would not mislead others and defending myself from your bogus personal attacks.

GROW UP!
[/quotemsg]

There is no difference between quality or performance their both same thing. If a graphics card has slower performance than the quality is not as good. When it comes to these 2 OEM cards, you're better off going with Dells Alienware and getting an updated graphics card such as the 5850 or the 5870. For the extreme gamer this would work out much better than getting the graphic cards in the Dell Studio XPS line of computers. Before you could get the ATI Radeon 4870 1GB in the Studio XPS which works better for the extreme gamer at that particular time. Now since 5850 and 5870 graphic cards have come out, times have changed. Now the Studio XPS models of computers are just STUDIO. And their almost as expensive as the Alienware computers depending on how you customize a computer when you're ordering it. But now I see things even more different after people in this forum have been giving me the advice on how to build your own system for less.
October 3, 2009 10:49:01 PM

clairvoyant christopher said:
There is no difference between quality or performance their both same thing. If a graphics card has slower performance than the quality is not as good. .

Are you kidding me? Do you really beleive that? So quality of design, components, and manufacturing and warranties mean nothing? You think you can't use better or inferior quality components on a card at any performance level? Qualtiy of design that achieves lower power consumption is irrelevant? You just proved my point - you have no idea what you are talking about.

clairvoyant christopher said:
When it comes to these 2 OEM cards, you're better off going with Dells Alienware and getting an updated graphics card such as the 5850 or the 5870. .


Wow - news flash - you are saying that the $259 grapics card gives faster performance than a $70 one. Wow. Thanks for the information. Who would have figured that. Yes, stating the obvious is truly being helpful. Thank you so much.
October 3, 2009 11:04:21 PM

rockyjohn said:
Are you kidding me? Do you really beleive that? So quality of design, components, and manufacturing and warranties mean nothing? You think you can't use better or inferior quality components on a card at any performance level? Qualtiy of design that achieves lower power consumption is irrelevant? You just proved my point - you have no idea what you are talking about.



Wow - news flash - you are saying that the $259 grapics card gives faster performance than a $70 one. Wow. Thanks for the information. Who would have figured that. Yes, stating the obvious is truly being helpful. Thank you so much.


I think it's better to just build your own computer where you can choose the best graphics card if you're an extreme gamer. I really don't know what you're talking about when you compare $259 to $70. When I talk about quality & performance I'm talking about the extreme gamer. And the Alienware is better than the Studio line of graphic cards.
October 4, 2009 8:24:56 PM

Uh... all the bickering aside... forgive me, I am new to this forum and didn't realize I had to read through a bunch of unrelated stuff before getting to the facts :) 

I am definitely not going with the GTS 220 card, though with 1 Gig it could possibly handle all my games, but it just seems...too entry level.

Now, the GTS 240/250 has 1 Gig of memory and being a rebranded 9800GT, has received excellent reviews on this very website, so this is most likely what I will be getting. Hey, I'm a gamer on a budget, OK? I can't afford expensive equipment, and though I can certainly build my own rig, I can let Dell do the same thing for me for around $750, with a Quad CPU, 4 Gigs of RAM, and a VERY nice 9800GT (um... GTS240) with 1 Gig of memory. In my opinion, this is plenty for me. And as far as playing DirextX11 games... I think I have a good 2 years before I will be REQUIRED to have a graphics card that can handle that.

And by the way, GTX 260 Core 216 is 1792MB of memory.
October 5, 2009 2:47:29 AM

mandsbuilder said:
Uh... all the bickering aside... forgive me, I am new to this forum and didn't realize I had to read through a bunch of unrelated stuff before getting to the facts :) 

I am definitely not going with the GTS 220 card, though with 1 Gig it could possibly handle all my games, but it just seems...too entry level.

Now, the GTS 240/250 has 1 Gig of memory and being a rebranded 9800GT, has received excellent reviews on this very website, so this is most likely what I will be getting. Hey, I'm a gamer on a budget, OK? I can't afford expensive equipment, and though I can certainly build my own rig, I can let Dell do the same thing for me for around $750, with a Quad CPU, 4 Gigs of RAM, and a VERY nice 9800GT (um... GTS240) with 1 Gig of memory. In my opinion, this is plenty for me. And as far as playing DirextX11 games... I think I have a good 2 years before I will be REQUIRED to have a graphics card that can handle that.

And by the way, GTX 260 Core 216 is 1792MB of memory.


That is great! I have the ATI Radeon 4870 1GB and it plays games well. The Nvidia GeForce GT 220 is to entry level. That sounds like a good deal $750.00.
October 6, 2009 12:21:40 AM

Bet that one has a lifetime warranty.... awesome deal. It's interesting that Dell still refers to this graphics card as GTS 240. If this is the same thing as GTS 250 1 Gig, then in the benchmarks on this website it is in the top 5 on framerate outputs. That's the one I want, so I'm gonna let Dell build it for me.

GTS 220 appears to be a rebranded 9500GT with 1 Gig of memory, but it is not even listed in the benchmarks. Here's the link to the Far Cry 2 benchmark, notice the GTS 250 is 5th in performance rating:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/budget-radeon-gefor...
October 6, 2009 12:38:37 AM

rockyjohn said:
Frys.com still has the sale on the BFG GTS 250 (512MB memory version) for only $80AR - quite a deal. It has been on sale since last week so don't think it will be on sale much longer thought.

http://www.frys.com/product/5866243?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN...


I love Fry's Electronics, I was just shopping there yesterday! They have great prices. You can find anything there for your PC.
October 6, 2009 12:44:28 AM

mandsbuilder said:
Bet that one has a lifetime warranty.... awesome deal. It's interesting that Dell still refers to this graphics card as GTS 240. If this is the same thing as GTS 250 1 Gig, then in the benchmarks on this website it is in the top 5 on framerate outputs. That's the one I want, so I'm gonna let Dell build it for me.

GTS 220 appears to be a rebranded 9500GT with 1 Gig of memory, but it is not even listed in the benchmarks. Here's the link to the Far Cry 2 benchmark, notice the GTS 250 is 5th in performance rating:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/budget-radeon-gefor...


That is interesting. When you buy from Dell, I suggest that you do it online, this way you can customize the computer the right way. When you order on the phone the sales people can be pushy and try to sell you warranties that you don't need.
October 6, 2009 1:01:40 AM

The Studio One 19 looks so very beautiful, my my how far we have come! I remember my first rig I build had 500MHz CPU, 256MB RAM, and a shiny Nvidia card with 64MB of memory. I was the happiest gamer on the planet :) 
October 6, 2009 4:45:44 AM

Read through the posts here and will add two points. First, quality and performance do not necessarily mean the same thing. Regarding the "bestest for the mostest" I want to buy the fastest or I want to wait for xxxx to get the latest, consider Moore's Law. You'll wait forever for such a thing. :sol: 
October 6, 2009 2:29:25 PM

rockyjohn said:
Please show me one place in any of your four articles linked in your post where they state anything even remotely like your quote above.

Perhaps you should start by stating what you mean by the “quality” of the cards. In an earlier post you used the term “are not made as well as the 4870”. When you say "not as good quality" are you talking about the quality of the components, the manufacturing, or the performance?

I challenge you to find me any statement at all in the four articles you claimed proved you point that says anything about component or manufacturing quality of the nVidia cards.

So do you mean performance? "Quality" is NOT performance- but in case you mean that - I already answered it in my second post above. Those cards are not positioned to compete with the 4870 - they are not intended or claimed to be as fast. So if you mean performance- what is your point? Your comment is like attacking a Ford Focus because it does not perform like a Ferrari. Instead of comparing the 220 and 240 to AMDs 4870 why not compare the right cards - nVidia's 260 or 275?

In addition you did not answer my earlier question – you seem to ramble and evade issues like Sarah Palin. My previous request was for you to support your earlier statement that “that “All of Dell's other computers are flooded with cheap quality and rebranded OEM graphic cards. Just providing some press information about nVidias new cards does not prove that earlier statement.

I now ask you to:
1. Tell if you are confusing performance with quality of construction - or something else - so we know what you are talking about.
2. Provide quotes from the 4 articles you linked that prove your statement quoted in my post above - because I sure could not find them.
3. Provide support for the statement you made in an earlier post that I questioned before that you ignored - namely - “All of Dell's other computers are flooded with cheap quality and rebranded OEM graphic cards.

You really do respond like Sarah Palin – not answering a question but throwing out a lot more BS to hide the fact you don’t know what you are talking about and have not support for you attacks.



c'maaan you can't challenge the knowledge of clairvoyant christopher, he's a psychic, have you ever heard of dionne warwick ? these people have special gifts for seeing information which is undisclosed to the normal individual.
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