Viewsonic VP930

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This might turn out to be a promising one!
<A HREF="http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/proseries/vp930b/" target="_new">http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/proseries/vp930b/</A>

Contrast Ratio: 1000:1 (typ)
Viewing Angle: 170° horizontal, 170º vertical @ contrast ratio > 10
Response Time: 8ms gray-to-gray (avg); 20ms black-white-black (typ)
Brightness: 250 cd/m2 (typ)

Deviating from their strategy up until now, Viewsonic has written both the GTG and the off-on-off response time. I wonder what's behind that decision. No marchitecture strategies anymore?

Anyone seen any reviews of the panel yet?

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I'm not a fan of 19" LCD's at all. I used to run 19" CRT's at 1280x1024, those having an 18" viewable screen. I couldn't imagine a screen 1" bigger with that resolution.

The only way I could see justifying a 19" lcd is if you're doing >99.9% gaming and want to game at 1280x1024. If companies came out with a 19" at 1600x1200, sure. But as it is now, the resolution for anything other than gaming is crap and prices are not much lower than a good 21".
 

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Yeah, one wonder if it is worth it. But I am looking for a good LCD.

function9: In a normal week I code AI, work with graphics, play games, and watch movies, in roughly that order of frequency. I don't really want to sacrifice any of those. Seeing as my current monitor is about seven years old, I think it's time to get a new one. And I can't really justify getting a CRT in terms of the space sacrificed on my desktop. Also I don't like the idea of constantly being bombarded by electrons for seven more years. LCDs only radiate photons, and only about as much as a low intensity light bulb.

On the other hand, nothing dictates that I (or anyone) should go with the VP930. So far I've seen no comments from reviewers or people who have hands-on experience with the monitor, which is quite valuable seeing as there's sometimes a big gap between theory/white papers and practice.

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function9: In a normal week I code AI, work with graphics, play games, and watch movies, in roughly that order of frequency. I don't really want to sacrifice any of those. Seeing as my current monitor is about seven years old, I think it's time to get a new one. And I can't really justify getting a CRT in terms of the space sacrificed on my desktop. Also I don't like the idea of constantly being bombarded by electrons for seven more years. LCDs only radiate photons, and only about as much as a low intensity light bulb.
And all this means what? I'm not saying don't get an LCD, I think LCD's have come a long way over the past 3 years.

What I'm saying is that to go with a 19" LCD is stupid in my opinion, when a good 21" LCD can be had for not much more. I'm running 2 Samsung 213T LCDs, when I got these I originally was looking at 2 19" LCDs. But the resolution on 19" displays bothered me (as I mentioned above) and the extra cost for the 21" wasn't much more. Go into a computer store that has monitors setup. Even on an analog signal you can see the difference between a 19" at 1280x1024 and a 21" at 1600x1200.
 

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I never thought this would even be a choice, but I figure what the heck. As stated in another thread, I'm seeking to buy a 19-inch LCD, with a rough budget set at US$350, which is to serve multiple purposes, including some gaming and video watching. Although the reviews have clearly pointed out the VP191b as the best overall monitor, I haven't seen it once below $435, and I haven't been able to convince myself the extra made sense.

However, on further consideration, as I don't upgrade these things every six months (my current 17-inch Viewsonic CRT, on its last legs, is several years old), I've been having second thoughts. Especially as I'm seeing the VP191b's supposed successor, the Viewsonic VP930b, at $410-$420 at a number of vendors (http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__ViewSonic_ThinEdge_VP930B_19_LCD_Monitor,__11520451).

Is it worth paying the difference? I don't watch tons of vids, so it isn't a big issue, but then again, nor do I play tons of games, though I'd like to catch up on a few that I couldn't play due to insufficient hardware, such as Half-Life 2. I'll be getting an nVidia 6800, upgrading my GeForce2, which should cover the GPU issue. Would I be better served paying an extra $60 for this, or is the Viewsonic VX924, my current choice, enough?

I *have* seen the article at BeHardware, that would seem to compare the two and answer my questions, but unfortunately it didn't quite. In terms of what it's worth, the writers constantly assume the panel used will cost an arm and a leg in the US, when in fact it is cheaper than the older VP191b (truly bizarre I admit), which seems to distort the evaluation they give.

Another problem is that their articles on the VP191b and the Belinea (with the VP930b panel), despite their claims on the VP930b being almost identical, say different things on the video playback. For the VP191b they say it is great overall, and for the Belinea, based on the VP930b, they say it isn't great, but is ok viewed from 2 meters (6+ feet). So which is it?

Unfortunately I must make a decision within the next couple of days, so any feedback would be much appreciated.

Cheers,

Albert
 

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I have the VP191B. from looking at the specs, it looks very similar. The monitor is fantastic in almost every aspect except one... a stupid on-screen notification of which video input is being used. The monitor has three inputs, two analog VGA and one DVI. I'm using the DVI. Every time the resolution changes, a notification in the middle of the screen says "DIGITAL" in a bright blue box for two seconds. I've contacted Viewsonic's tech support in hopes to turn that off without success. It's not the resolution notifier. This may sound petty, but when you want to get to work after the screen saver shuts off or you're getting into a game, that stupid box shows up constantly and since you can't see behind it to click or type, you have to wait. UGG.
 

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Okay so I game a great deal...about 75% of the time I am on my computer. My CRT is dying and I was thinking about replacing it with an LCD. I now have the WORST headache of my life!

While I do game a lot it's not all I do so I need a LCD that can do all things well, even if it's not super in any one given area. The vp191 seems like that monitor but along comes the VP930 and so far Tom's hasn't reveiwed.

A lot of other sites talk about how great the Samsung 930BF is and the ViewSonic xv924...but Tom's kind of slapped down the xv924 compared to the vp191.

I guess after all that rambling I'm trying to see if the VP930 is truly as consistent and performs as well across the board as the vp191?

In all honesty I'm about ready to just buying a high end 21" CRT so my head will stop hurting. ;)

I want a quality LCD that I can game on but not lose the features that would allow for watching movies, using photoshop and general computer use. IS the VP930 that LCD?
 

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From what I gather, the VP930 has something in it that's supposed to display more colors than the VP191 and also offer a little better contrast ratio.

Other than the OSD complaint, the VP191 rocks. I don't see how you'd be disappointed with it. I work in IT and I've stared at a TON of different LCDs and this VP191 is by far the sharpest and brightest of the bunch. I play a lot of racing games (and some BF2, Ravenshield, etc) and I don't have any complaints.
 

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if your into home theatre, next month will be the samsung 320P - 32" widescreen with 4ms (grey to grey).

http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/10/20/samsung_lcds/

is this kinda groundbreaking? maybe the first lcd big enough and fast enough to make a legitimate HTPC - one that compares to your good old crt monitor. of course the lowest price i found was $1650. the 19" (940bf) is competively priced.
 

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I've been reading tons of great things about the Dell UltraSharp 2405 FPW but it's a 24" wide screen and there are challenges with games as it runs a very high native resolution. I just really feel like there has to be a 19" that had good color and response for gaming, movies, and regular day to day operation.

The other area that concerns me is there any point in having dual 7800 GTX cards (yeah I know financially insane and not the usual gamer, but...) on a LCD panel, the frame rates could exceed the LCD panel’s ability to respond, capping the frame rates?

Anyway, I would rally like to see tom's put this panel through the paces. I really respect these guys way of checking these LCDs out. I'm hoping the VP930b is as consistent and colorful as its predecessor.
 

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I've had the VP930b for a week now, and have put it through the steps and uses, plus a bit more, in order to share my opinions on it.

Before going on, I'll should add this is my first LCD monitor, and prior to this I had been using a 17-inch CRT from ViewSonic. The jump in size is not small since the viewing area of a CRT is always smaller than the official size contrary to LCD displays, and while this is standard, it probably also helps perpetuate the folk wisdom that company announced specs are not to be trusted. As such, the gain was actually 3 inches and not 2.

Size and resolution
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In my previous monitor, I usually set the resolution to 1024x768, and found this to be the best size for my everyday use. I am now operating at 1280x1024, which is roughly 25% more pixels and should thus be about that much smaller. The 3 inches help offset this, so it is still a fairly ideal resolution size for my taste. Although some may find this talk about the resolution pointless, I have seen several people in the forums complaining that if it wasn't 1600x1200 then it was pointless. Aside from the fact that I know many people who prefer their 17-inch CRTs at only 800x600, I did see a Dell 2001fp in action, a 20.1 inch screen at 1600x1200 and found the usual text and icons to be uncomfortably small. So frankly, I wouldn't want this screen to force me to use such a resolution.

What it comes with
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The screen comes with a very nice stand, a small booklet with 2-page instructions written in some 20 languages, a 6-foot DVI cable, a 6-foot VGA cable, a power cable, and 2 CDs. For movies, I purchased a longer 10-foot DVI cable at NewEgg for some $15 or so.

The stand is really impressive. It is quite heavy, and I wondered why at first, since the screen itself is fairly light. Of course there is the simple issue of stability, to not allow it to topple over too easily (zero risk), but another factor is clearly the ease to allow one to set its height or rotate it without having the base so much as budge. To lift or lower the monitor (it can go as low as 14.2 inches overall) one just raises or lowers the screen and lets go. When one does this one feels as if there were some ball-bearings within the stand, which allow this to be done very smoothly, and it never budges when one lets go. All in all it feels very solid. Rotating the screen is also no struggle, though I've only done it once to report this.

One can also detach the screen from the stand and mount it on a wall, should you have the inclination to do so.

Installation
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Moving up to an LCD was a necessity, since frankly the depth of the old CRT was the maximum I could fit on my desk. Seeing all this space available now, especially with a bigger screen, is quite the shocker. Installing it was no problem. I didn't hesitate to insert the first CD with the monitor's drivers and manual, and that went without a fuss. The second CD comes with some programs to help calibrate the monitor and another program to ease the pivot possibilities.

Calibration
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Unlike the sites that review monitors, I do not have a $150+ color calibration device for the monitor. They all claim that the colors are far from ideal, which I can believe, and that once calibrated professionally, they can be wonders.

The VP930b is the successor to the much lauded VP191b, which was said to have almost ideal colors AFTER it had been calibrated. One of the programs on the second CD is PerfectSuite, a manual calibration program. It takes you through a number of steps in which you first determine the brightness and contrast you prefer, and then spend some time matching various grey squares with grey backgrounds in order to find the best color balance. This is actually quite necessary IMO since the initial brightness is pretty extreme, and if you play with the brightness and contrast, the colors are immediately affected.

Image quality
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I'm not a professional, much less a specialist, so this is no doubt quite subjective. I tested the image through both the VGA and the DVI, and must say that I found the DVI connection to produce a small but clearly superior image quality. Initially, I found the text to be a bit pixelated for my taste, but once I had set my settings to ClearType, this was resolved. The overall image quality, colors, and brightness are all superb to my eyes.

Videos/Movies
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Since I had specifically chosen this model for its fame as a top all-rounder, I didn't expect to be disappointed by the movies, and I wasn't. I ran numerous scenes such as dark ones from the Lord of the Rings (vol.1), to large single color-type scenes from the Big Blue, to various action scenes and others. It handled them very well, and the complaint of pixelated landscapes occurred only very occasionally and the contrast and display of dark tones was excellent overall. I had no problem watching a full movie on it, and found it a pleasure.

Games
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I'm not the biggest game buff in the world, and no doubt some will disagree with my assessment. Still, I ran several fast-paced games such as Need For Speed: Underground 2, and found not only the colors and visibility to be excellent, but never was able to notice any real ghosting. If there is any, I can only presume it is extremely slight, certainly not to the point of annoying the player. No doubt, if I spent my time trying to find and see it, I would be able to satisfy this masochistic desire (spending time trying to find faults in one's stuff is masochism IMHO), but I'm a "cup is half-full" kind of person, so I don't spend my time looking for these faults. If I see them, I'll be honest about them, but otherwise they can't really be that serious in my book.

Issues/complaints
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The only one I have, and one that has been reported by VP191b users as well, is an annoying blue square that appears on the screen announcing the type of connection being used. It lasts a few seconds and appears when one starts the computer, when one changes the resolution, and when one exits the screensaver. While I couldn't turn this warning off, one can make it transparent, and appear in a non-obtrusive point of the screen, which is what I did of course.

Final thoughts
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Overall, I've regained quite a bit of deskspace, and for a very worth cause. The monitor very much lives up to my expectations, and I am very satisfied with the purchase. Strangely enough, it is also less expensive than its predecessor the VP191b, and can be found for less than $420 as of this post. The best deal I saw was at ZipZoomFly.com offering it for $419 with free FedEx 2nd day shipping.



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Thank you! Very informative. Are there any dead pixels? (Although I assume the answer is no and that you would have mentioned it otherwise.) I hear ViewSonic has a very good policy on this nowadays.

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Different models get different policies from what I read. This model has a No-Dead-Pixel Policy by ViewSonic, which means that there is no minimum of 3, 6, or whatever number of dead pixels to warrant exchanging.

Albert
 

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Thank you for that review. I just picked up the VX924...good monitor for gaming. Not impressed with the washed out look for surfing the web and movie playback. Movies are grainy and pixelated. I think that's from being a 6bit monitor compared to the 8bit VP930b. No height adjustment is also a pain as the monitor sits to high on my desk. Also noticed white light bleeding in from the sides of the monitor edges on dark backgrounds. No dead pixels though. Ordered the VP930b from ZipZoomFly today so I can compare...I think the 930 will be the best all around gaming/video monitor.
 

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Here's their page:

http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/proseries/vp930b/


So 8ms gray-gray; 20ms black-white. Whats up with that? Which one do you go by? Is this a 20ms gaming monitor, or 8ms??

I want a 19" monitor, and I want this monitor for great gaming performance and great video performance. Those are the two most critical things to me. Of course everything else is just as important since I spend plenty of time surfing the web and writing school papers and IMing etc.

So everything seems great, but then reading some reviews from Newegg some of the guys are bashing the monitor. Granted they are few and far between, but I hear things about ghosting and it being worse than they heard it would be, etc.

Basically I want to know if this is true, or if they just have things setup wrong. And why didn't THG mention this monitor in their review today?? Instead they just mention the 191b again?? what??

Anyway should I take the plunge on this monitor... is this... "the one"??


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hmm, how does the VP930 compare to the Vx924?

http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/xseries/vx924/

Viewsonic's website says this one is the monitor of choice for gamers, with 3ms response time? But the contrast ratio is about half of the VP930s... I dunno, thoughts on which is the better monitor?
 

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in the THG review of this monitor, they spend all this time talking about how they rate each area on a 5-star system. Am I blind, or did they not put how many stars they gave each area? I can't find their starred-ratings anywhere!
 

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So 8ms gray-gray; 20ms black-white. Whats up with that? Which one do you go by? Is this a 20ms gaming monitor, or 8ms??

the monitor above is 8ms when going from gray to gray but is 20ms when going from black to white. as you can see response varies with shade so you really need to look at all 255 shades, not just one or two to get a meaningful picture. look at a response time graph or even better, look at a 3-dimensional bar graph not just specs.

another reason for being cautious about specs is that according to the ISO, response is stated at the minimum possible. you can be sure that 99.99% of the time the monitor will be slower, usually much slower (keep in mind crt's have a response time of about .8 ms)

also, with overdrive technology, response time is no longer indicative of motion blur (which is really the subject here). from what i gather, overdrive if used excessively can "erase" a pixel quickly by bombarding it with voltage. this leads to less after-image but the voltage takes longer to stabilize - i.e. it takes more time to reach the next target color. since response time is actually a measurement of the time needed to reach a color, you could have a terrible response time with little motion blur. such a panel would be fast but show inaccurate colors and "sparks" i think thats how it works anyway.
 

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I ordered one of these a couple days before Tom reviewed it. So I set it up today and wow it is big (compared to my old 17in CRT). My colors are way off but the screen looks good. Refresh seems good but I have not tested it.

Windows XP detected a plug and play monitor and would not update with the drivers from the CD included. What is the refresh that I set the vp930b at? The res is 12xx by 10xx but what should the hertz be?

Also I tried the color calibration wizard and failed miserably. My tans are pink and other colors are off. I blame myself for being a LCD dumby. Is there a book for that?

How do you test for dead or stuck pixels?

And my final question, Why is the sky not blue on my monitor?

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Stolen from VS's website because I have seen these questions before.

Q: How do I disable the Resolution Notifier?

A: Using only the buttons on the front of the monitor, do the following:
Press #1.
Use down arrow to highlight Setup Menu and press #2.
Use down arrow to highlight Resolution Notice and press #2.
Select Disable and Exit.

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Dead Pixel Policy

ViewSonic is committed to customer satisfaction by providing the highest
quality
products in the industry. The result is that our LCD displays generally have
very few non-performing pixels. For example, an 18" SXGA (1280 x 1024) display
has nearly 4 million sub-pixels. A product exhibiting 7 non-performing pixels
would equate to an extremely small 0.00018 percent of the total sub-pixels.

(1280 Horizontal Pixels) * (1024 Vertical Pixels) * (3 sub-pixels per pixel) =
3,932,160 sub-pixels

[(7 non-performing pixels) / (3,932,160 sub-pixels)] * 100% = 0.00018%

To ensure the highest performing displays, ViewSonic sets limits as to the
allowable number of pixel anomalies. ViewSonic has adopted the following pixel
criteria to supplement our existing three-year limited warranty. This policy
applies to all ViewSonic LCD displays during the warranty period.

ViewSonic sets limits on 14" - 15" LCD's at 4 bright sub-pixels, 4 dark
sub-pixels, or a combination of 4.
ViewSonic sets limits on 17" - 19" LCD's at 7 bright sub-pixels, 7 dark
sub-pixels, or a combination of 7.
ViewSonic sets limits on 20" & greater LCD's at 10 bright sub-pixels, 10 dark sub-pixels, or a combination of 10.