Dell Precision workstations, 490 and 690

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i am ready to purchase one system from dell refurbished workstations.
from what i saw under $500, i can pick up a precision 490 or 690 witch both based on the intel x5000 series chipset with socket 771, or the 775 dual proc equivalent. my concern is for the 690 witch has 2 editions, the 750 and 1kw chasis. the 750 has all 7 expansion slots in a reverse , or opposite atx layout, not btx which is a major turnoff and i would not be typing right now, some day a may upgrade to the duall lga1366 nehalem or whichever is newest chips, but its not necessary now on my budget, the only other pc i could find was an hp xw8200 with socket 604, xeon , p4 equivalent but the ddr2 ram ran at 400mhz another turnoff. anways the 690 1 kw had 7 slots reverse atx but the last 4 were offset, i later found out after research that it was a gpu card riser which split i pci express x16 onto 2, correct me but wouldnt that just hog the bandwidth and why not naitive dual pci express on the mobo, and ways, would i run into problems with the 690 1kw upgrading in the furture with the offset slots and the cards not fitting, also i noticed the back panel for the expansion cards were screwed on so in theory couldnt i just order a 690 750watt back plate replacment and screw it on when its time to upgrade? and the 490 only has 6 expansion slots in reverse atx , what do you thing i should get, the 690 or 490 and the 1kw or 750, also if neither are recommended what about the previously mentioned hp xw8200 one i found with dual 3.8 xeons, i would be doing major video editing and some gaming, wow, half life, oblivion. oh and btw with the 490 and 690 both support dual cpus, so to increase its life i may upgrade to dual quads, and problems that may occur? and one last thing with video cards, i believe strongly in one single (or dual like 4870 x2) high end gpu over sli or crossfire, with all the glitches and everything, i prefer a gtx280 or 5870. but i may experiment sometime in the machine.
 

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First off... I bought a Precision 690 for a project here @ work... got a sweet deal on ebay and it's been a solid system so far. It had a perc raid (sas/sata) card already and some form of nvs video card... we use it for vmware server and our imaging system so don't need graphics...

The XW8200 is an older system and the CPU's it have are much older than the precision 690 will have.. the 8200's xeons are equivilant to pentium 4's and the 690's are equivilant to core2 duo's basically.

I'd check out ebay though... the one I got was around $600 total ( $500 + shipping ) and had the following specs.



2x 5160 3ghz 1333bus cpus
4gb
4x 146gb sas ( switched out for 4x 750gb sata for storage space )
nvs video card (pci express)
1kw psu

If you want to compare HP systems, look @ the XW6400, 6600, 8400, 8800. there are other models too. The 8200 is still ok but will not be close to as powerful, but will be much cheaper.
 
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thanks, am i correct about the 690 and 490 being reverse atx, oh and if i go woth the xw8200, what would be the consequence of ddr2 running at 400mhz?
 

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I guess it is "reverse atx" in that the pci express is one of the lower slots, and the other expansion slots are above it.

I want to say that the xw8200 may might not be capable of running 400mhz ram. From what it looks like, it's probably just 3200-5300 ram.

at any rate... i think the 490 or 690 would be much better than an xw8200.

http://cgi.ebay.com/DELL-PRECISION-490-2-X-DC-XEON-3-2Ghz-4Gb-373GB-DVDRW-f_W0QQitemZ290388647997QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item439c83203d

This looks like a good system.... 2x 3.2ghz xeons (5060's 1066fsb), 4gb, 73gb sas and 300gb sas for under $500...

A comperably priced 8200 is just much older and is going to be slower.