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Ibn Tumart wrote:
>> A Immolator with twin-linked heavy bolters and blessed
>> ammunition can be quite effective--no, still no where explosive as
an
>> Exorcist--but effective in its own right.
>I'm not familiar with blessed ammunition (a few more days before my
>Codex gets here... grrr...), but I just love the idea regardless of
what
>it may actually do.
It just allows you to ignore cover saves, but that's actually come in
handy for me.
> Can troops fire inside an Immolator in 4th edition?
Erm... I don't think so, but honestly, I haven't had my 4thEd book too
long and I'm still making sense of some of the new rules.
>> ??? I thought this as an all-Adepta Sororitas army? I don't have the
>> codex in front of me, but I'm pretty certain you can only have a
>> Chimera if you have Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. I could be wrong,
of
>> course.
>Sorry for the confusion. I do plan on having a squad of Inquisitorial
>Stormtroopers and Chimera. Honestly, I expect the Chimera to draw fire
>away from the Battle Sisters or other vehicle.
Ah! I see. Yes, I can see the Chimera would work well for that (my
Immolator often does the same thing).
I've got Inq. Stormtroopers in my army and they've turned out to be
quite useful. Fairly cheap unit... often just act as a speedbump,
but an effective one at that. I had a Stormtrooper take out a
Landraider with a lucky shot from his grenade launcher... the grenage
launcher alone has come in quite handy at times.
>> Overall, sounds good, with the comments I've added. Which of course
you
>> can ignore entirely.
I've been playing Sisters all year so I
thought
>> I'd jump in and give my two cents. Hope you don't mind.
>For which I am quite grateful, I promise.
Glad to hear it!
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>> My Canoness is equipped with a Blessed Weapon (the extra strength
can
>> come in handy against tougher creatures, which you are bound to
>> encounter in a Chaos fight), Rosarius, and Cloak of St. Aspira. 2+
>> Armor save and 4+ Invuln is nice. Some folks like to give the
Canoness
>> an Inferno Pistol--these are useful, but extremely short range, so
>> don't give them to her (or any vet.) unless you're planning to get
her
>> up close and personal right away.
>Since my usual opponent fields Possessed Marines, a Bloodthirster or
>Daemon Prince, and is looking to start fielding Bloodletters, I
daresay
>a Blessed Weapon would get quite a bit of use.
*nods* Sounds like it. Even if you do a "minimalist" Canoness per
Helicon_One's suggestion, a blessed weapon may still be worth the
wargear points.
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>> I prefer a mixed gender army myself... if only GW would make a
proper
>> one! (i.e. actual mixed-gender units, not having to ally the
all-girls
>> army with the all-boys army, etc.). I suppose that would require
more
>> modeling work than they want to do, but it's still annoying. There
are
>> a _few_ female models among Dark Eldar and Elves, but that's the
>> exception rather than the rule. *raises fist* Equality for females
of
>> all species, darnit!!
>That would be really nice, actually. Why can't women serve in the IG,
>after all? And surely all the Psykers aren't male, either. And the
>female Comissar model seems to be OOP.
Exactly. There are _two_ female Last Chancer models, but that's it.
I've thought--if I ever had any desire to play IG--I could use the
House Escher Models from Necromunda to mix in some female troops, but
that's more work than it should be.
>As for Chaos, their new recruits come from Daemonworlds. Surely the
>women undergo just as rigorous an upbringing as the menfolk there: why
>not some female Chaos Space Marines?
I'm sure Chaos doesn't discriminate.
I suppose Tau perhaps look the same with their armor on, but still...
and there could be more generic female Eldar and Dark Eldar.
>Ah well... maybe if there were more female players, GW might be more
>equal opportunity in their model lines.
Maybe if there was more equal opportunity in GW's model lines, there
would be more female players.
Gaming over all (stretching to RPGs, CRPGs, etc.) has become largely
much more "female-friendly"--especially RPGs. You see equal depictions
of men and women, writeups of strong female characters that _aren't_
obviously the "token female"--they're just part of the crew, and
there's a fair number of them. You see women in games playing a number
of roles, not just the girly-girl, the whore, or the Xena-type
buttkicker. Compared to most gaming companies (or even miniature
companies--Reaper has a number of wonderful female figures), GW is
positively _archaic_ in its treatment of women. They're either
nonexistent or solely the object of "man's" protection (I remember a
line in the WHFB rulebook about "mother fear not, a man with his axe in
his hand will protect you" -- _what_ever...), and when you do see women
in GW products, they are lumped all together as if they were a separate
species and depicted in this bizarre, fetishistic holy virgin/raving
whore dichotomy (Sisters and Female Dark Eldar Wyches, for example).
It makes me wonder if the folks at GW have ever actually had any sort
of real social contact with a female human being, as they obviously
seem to have little clue as to what to do with them. They certainly
don't train their store staff to handle them well... I've stopped going
into GW stores, because some staff member inevitably asks me if "I'm
shopping for my boyfriend." I buy my GW stuff at _real_ ("rogue
trader") gaming stores where they know the phenomena of the woman gamer
isn't a new thing, and they treat me like a human being--not to mention
a customer to be respected.
I and the handful of female Warhammer/40K players I know usually have
been drawn into the game because we have other friends who play it, and
through _them_ we can see the appeal of collecting the minis and
playing a strategy wargame. The marketing for GW product does little to
reach out to a woman gamer's imagination, and the behavior of the store
staff almost universally helps turn off women from the prospect of
trying out the product--I can name several female friends of mine who
were avid gamers, walked into a GW store out of curiosity to see what
the product was like, got the "boyfriend" question or just got stared
at like they were aliens, and they turned around and swore never to go
near Games Workshop or their products again.
And back to the "if there were more female players, there would be more
female models..." idea... come _on_, do you think more female models
would turn most of the male players off?
Sorry for ranting... I just need to get that nonsense off my chest. I
am _not_ the kind of person to point at a woman in a bikini and say
"THAT'S SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION!" or any of that sort of nonsense. But I
don't like being condescended to, and I don't like seeing women
depicted in only one of two ways and always having to be separated from
the men, because that's _stupid_--and that's what GW does, and it sends
a very bad message.
> Though I suppose my writing them a letter won't do any harm.
That would be very cool. I want to write to them myself, but I need to
figure out how to word the complaint coherently enough so they don't
shrug me off as a raving girly-girl.
Anyway, what were we talking about? Sisters of Battle, yes, yes. Hope
you get your Codex soon... you'll see it's a nice flexible list.
Death Quaker!