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January 28, 2005 1:04:12 AM

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Well, with White Dwarf 302 GW has performed a miracle - as an avid Eldar
collector (and sometime player, of course) I looked at the banner headline on
the front cover - "Eldar Wave Serpent Grav Tank!" - and I couldn't give a toss.
Remember that this is a model we've been waiting for for many years, but
somehow GW has managed to remove any semblance of interest from the release.
Oh, well, maybe there'll be something of interest in the magazine (the bastards
had better have done credit to Biel-Tan, since they beat me to publication. :-(
)

Where to start?

NEW RELEASES

WARHAMMER

Greasus Goldtooth £20
Ogre Kingdoms Butcher £15
Ogre Kingdoms Ironguts (4) £20
Ogre Gorger £9
Ogre Kingdoms Yhetee £9
Gnoblar Scraplauncher £20
Special Edition Ogre Maneater £9

Not here. Please. Oh, very well, may as well get this out of the way. I said
before that Greasus Goldtooth looked good for comic value; the good news is
that now I get a better view this still true. The bad news is that I said the
Ogre Butchers were among the very worst models in WFB, and this is also true.
The Ironguts are bland enough not to be objectionable, but what is it about
that 'one arm stretched upwards, one reaching down to the foot' fitness pose
that appeals to GW so much? It doesn't appeal to anyone else, but we get it
with both Gorgers and one of the Yhetees. The 'Special Edition' Maneaters are
the two that have been consigned to Mail Order for being too hideous for
general sale (not sure how the Butcher squeezed through) - the female (not
shown for sanity's sake) and the ninja.

WARHAMMER 40,000

Captain Lysander £9
Captain Shrike £8

Eldar Wave Serpent £20

Hmm. I'd like to say that on closer inspection this isn't too bad a model.
Sadly, that would be completely untrue. It's true that it's hard to see
anything inherently wrong with any of the components - the Falcon hull remains
among GW's best vehicles and such things as the new plastic shuriken cannon
and, of course, the plastic heavy weapons sprue are very welcome. The
out-of-place holofield-thingies could work well on, say, a War Walker, while
the turret would be useful in any number of custom vehicles - custom Tau
vehicles, that is. The problem is that there is nothing coherent about the
whole; it looks like half a Falcon with a bitz box thrown in rather than a
vehicle in its own right. My first thought on seeing the price was that, with
11 heavy weapons in the set, the various vehicle upgrades and the Falcon hull,
this was a pretty good deal. Unfortunately without the Falcon turret there's
not a lot you can do with the model unless you want to use it as a base for FW
kits. As for the heavy weapons? Wake me up when the sprue's added to the War
Walker or Vyper box.

What I have to ask about this kit is, simply, why? Even if a good Wave Serpent
really can be made from a Falcon hull (which I doubt), a better one can be made
by starting from scratch as the Epic 40k designers did, and the costs of doing
so can't be any higher than years spent on various abortive attempts to make
the FalconSerpent work and the eventual creation of two new sprues for the kit.

EPIC

Eldar Anti-Grav Platforms (6) £8
Eldar Falcons (3) £8
Eldar Night Wings (6) £8
Eldar Vypers (6) £6
Eldar Warhost (38 stands) £12
Eldar War Walkers (6) £8
Eldar Wave Serpents (4) £5

Ah, real Wave Serpents - though surely there must be some misprint if you get 4
Serpents for £5 and 3 Falcons for £8? The good news is that for the most part
these haven't increased much in price since E40k days, when the smaller items
sold at £1 apiece. These releases basically get the E40k rereleases out of the
way - all that's new are the replacement of Harlequins on the plastic sprue
with more Rangers and the lower variety in new components (all weapon platforms
now have either scatter laser - heavy weapon - or D-cannon - support weapon -
Falcons only have pulse laser/scatter laser and Wave Serpents twin shuriken
cannon). It's a shame that the Nightwing models haven't been redone, as they
are no longer vaguely appropriate for the armament in rules, but on the other
hand for £8 you get as many as you're ever going to need in a game and 600pts
for £8 is a better deal than most you'll get from GW (except the Warhost). As
for Falcons, Forgeworld makes better, cheaper Epic Falcons.

BLOOD BOWL

Skeleton with chainsaw £5

I suppose there's a reason this is needed. Then again, I've always supposed
there's a reason for Blood Bowl but have yet to learn what it is.

MORDHEIM

Dwarf Treasure Hunter £5

Sigh. Another unneeded Hired Sword while the range is still full of holes -
Mordheim actually has a full range of Dwarfs (or would have if they got round
to releasing the Heroes in blister packs).

NEWS - WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE

At last, something more than one-line references to what we now learn has
become "Warhammer Realms: Lustria". It seems that this is a WFB of the proposed
40k Battlezone series, which flopped to a halt when all GW's frenzied promotion
failed to shift more than a couple of Cityfight books. Let's hope the basic
concept of a setting-based supplement is all Lustria has in common with that.
What we're told seems to hold more shades of RT than Cityfight, though - an
Encounters phase with carnivorous plants and the like, random weather and other
events and so on.

The Rise of Sotek itself is basically a campaign written into the book and, as
I predicted at one stage, it is a historical campaign between Lizardmen and
Clan Pestilens. It's set during the Age of Strife, apparently, so expect some
welcome fluff about what the Slann were up to before the rise of the Imperium,
while the Eldar empire was still going strong and ... not *that* Age of Strife?
We're told of new releases for "several Warhammer races" - Tenehuain and a
variety of Pestilens-themed Skaven are the obvious ones, and we've seen High
Elves, but we aren't given any more details. I still want to see Luthor Harkon.

Overall, quite aside from my renewed interest in the Lizardmen, this looks to
be the most interesting 'mainstream' GW release of the year (the only others
I'm interested in being Fanatic's Swordwind supplement for Epic, Warhammer
Fantasy Roleplay v2 from Black Industries and Forgeworld's Taros Campaign
book). There will be a tie-in summer campaign ("Conquest of the New World",
just a general everyone v. Lizardmen deal without a story as such), but it
probably won't be the major GW online campaign this year (which I believe is to
be an LotR campaign). However we are told that "Classic warriors of ill-repute,
such as Pirazzo's Lost Legion and Tichi-Huichi's Raiders, will be updated to
serve you in the campaign" - updating the Sink Cold One Rider models is good,
but can we have the same Lost Legionnaires released with a price cut? I may
have to find the money to invest in more GW releases this year after all...

There is a box in the news section revealing that - guess what? - the price
rises mentioned will indeed take place. I don't see it as a huge change - £18
rather than £15 for the plastic regiments is certainly annoying (but makes
Batallions better deals), but was inevitable given that both the Space Marine
Command Squad and Ogre Kingdoms Gnoblars sets came out at this price, but most
of the monsters etc. that will suffer from the blister price rise aren't used
that much anyway.

THE IVORY ROAD

Any fluff that prevents fluff fans from having to buy the Ogre Kingdoms book is
to be applauded. It's presented as a journal and is quite fun reading - it's a
better style than shoddy storytelling, at any rate one better-suited to GW
staff writers. It's a good way of conveying atmosphere, and allows them to tell
stories set in areas where people aren't hacking one another to pieces. We get
a few more hints about the Chaos Dwarfs in the form of rumour - confirming that
they do all now wear the iron facemasks. There's an accompanying scenario,
though not involving Chaos Dwarfs - Empire v. Gnoblars, of all things.

BELLY OF THE BEAST

Empire v. Ogre battle report. There's a new format to the pre-battle ramble - a
table is included showing each army's strengths and weaknesses and with a
blantantly obvious tactical comment (in this case, that the Ogres need to get
into close combat before they're shot to pieces).

THE UNDER-EMPIRE

This is a very fluffy issue, though I'm not sure why the Skaven were chosen for
one this month - perhaps they've been ignored for a bit too long, or they want
the opportunity to advertise the Skaven fluff book. There's nothing much new
here, not even an acknowledgment that after the Storm of Chaos the Empire can't
pretend Skaven don't exist. In fact the whole piece seems to be drawn from
older fluff - there's no reference to the Dwarf presence in Karak Eight Peaks,
for instance. One thing that does seem to be new is a reference to Warlord Clan
Scrutens, resident under Marienburg, which was forced out of a previous
stronghold by conflict with the Fimir (who are unsurprisingly not mentioned by
name, just as "some form of daemonic, cyclopean swamp-dwellers). However, the
Fimir around Marienburg were themselves wiped out by the Skaven, and that's no
doubt why they don't have an army list.

A TALE OF FOUR GAMERS

Right, here we go again. Where were we? Oh, yes:

Stephen (Tomb Kings)

Tomb King mounted in a chariot
Liche Priest
16 Skeletons with spears and shields
12 Skeletons with bows
1 Tomb Swarm
8 Skeleton Heavy Cavalry
3 Undead Chariots

Paul (Empire)

Captain
Wizard
20 Swordsmen
20 Free Company
5 Archers
5 Halflings

Dave (Grimgor's 'Ardboyz)

Orc Shaman (Level 2. Dangly Wotnotz)
13 Black Orcs (full command, great weapons)
3 Stone Trolls

Asger (Daemonic Legion)

Daemon Prince
Daemonic Herald
Plaguebearers (12)
Nurgling Swarm (4 bases)

We start with the Tomb Kings this month. Stephen gets battle in, though again
not against other Gamers. We do get a truncated report of the battle, in which
he loses to a missile-armed Dwarf force, which won by simply shooting the Liche
Priest's unit until he died and then watching the army collapse. No commentary
on why he selected his next batch of purchases, which are 16 more Skellies and
a Tomb Scorpion, or on how the Skellies are armed.

Paul complains about painting again. His results aren't bad, and he has managed
to complete the force he's amassed by this stage. He decides for his next
purchase he wants Halberdiers, but due to a sudden loss of taste he wants them
to be made from Spearmen models rather than - well - Halberdiers. His purchases
are 3 Empire Detachment sets (he lists them at £8 - I thought they were £12?),
of which he swaps the handgunners for spearmen (isn't that cheating?). I think
that set has 16 models in it, so that gives him 48 Spearmen.

The Orc player gets in a plug for GW Mail Order (oops, Direct Sales) as he sets
about buying conversion bitz. However, he isn't quite Sawyerish as he does get
round to adding an Orc Regiment set. This gives him a Taugrek (a Black Orc
battle standard bearer), a Boss for his Black Orc regiment, a Big Boss and 7-8
Big 'Uns and 7-8 normal Orc Boyz as he assembled them.

Finally, Asger spends his time painting his ugly Daemon Prince conversion and
adds some more Plaguebearers.

No real battle reports, but then I'm not in a position to complain given the
absence of battle reports in the RGMW Tale (though we have more excuse)...

To summarise:

Tomb Kings

Tomb King mounted in a chariot
Liche Priest
16 Skeletons with spears and shields
12 Skeletons with bows
1 Tomb Swarm
8 Skeleton Heavy Cavalry
3 Undead Chariots
1 Tomb Scorpion
20 spare Skeletons

Empire:

Paul (Empire)

Captain
Wizard
20 Swordsmen
48 (?) Halberdiers
20 Free Company
5 Archers
5 Halflings

Grimgor's 'Ardboyz

Black Orc Big Boss
Taugrek the Throttler, Black Orc Big Boss (Battle Standard)
Orc Shaman (Level 2. Dangly Wotnotz)
14 Black Orcs (full command, great weapons)
7 (?) Big 'Uns
8 (?) Orc Boyz
3 Stone Trolls

Daemonic Legion

Daemon Prince
Daemonic Herald
25 Plaguebearers (Musician)
Nurgling Swarm (4 bases)

BUGMAN'S LAMENT

Final part of the Bugman campaign. I haven't really been following this, but we
get rules and conversion ideas for two new characters (the Dwarf is rather bad
but the Goblin - Grom the Paunch with a new axe and head - isn't). We also get
two new Dwarf list entries - a brewmaster and Dwarf firethrowers (actually
quite a good conversion).

INDEX XENOS: THE SWORDWIND

Most of this is reprinted and there's very little on Biel-Tan history -
disappointing, though at least it doesn't introduce anything that conflicts
with my Biel-Tan fluff. Introduced is the idea of just what an Autarch is, and
this idea (an Exarch that has explored several Aspects of the Path of the
Warrior) seems to conflict with long-established fluff which holds that an
Eldar is confined to one Aspect when he chooses the Path of the Warrior. The
fluff on first contact is disappointing - human Explorators got attacked and
then the Eldar left. Most disappointingly, the way the fluff is presented is
sketchy at best - given four sides of A4 to describe a Craftworld seems a lot
considering that the sum total of its established fluff to date, in the same
detail, should take about half that, but the simplistic treatment of the
Warrior Paths and the rush through Biel-Tan society and tactics are less
detailed than what's gone before. Still, if nothing else this gives me a rough
format and page limit to work to when tidying up my (invariably longer)
Craftworld fluff pieces for submission.

SWORDWIND OF BIEL-TAN

Biel-Tan tactics. This is a reversion to the old-style WD Tactica, which is not
a compliment as these consisted of a list of what each unit could do per the
Codex and no advice on what to do with them. Alessio rather overplays the
advantages Shining Spears have gained from the new rules, fails to mention Fire
Dragon auto-penetration and has nothing to say about Dire Avengers beyond
"They're better in close combat than Guardians". Not impressed by his sample
armies - both are a straight Studio armies with one (and no more than one) of
everything.

WAVE SERPENT

Pictures of - you guessed it - the Gnoblar Scraplauncher. Or not. From the
front, bar the out-of-place angular Tau turret, the thing looks as though it
nearly works, but is begging for armour plates at the end of the field
projectors. Every example of the tank shown uses the shuriken cannon, which to
me suggests that GW knows the twin-linked shuricats desperately need an update
but haven't included new ones on the sprue. We're shown various Wave Serpent
paintschemes, but no pictures of the new sprue, though we're told it includes
all five heavy weapons in duplicate, a new sensor probe, the secondary shuriken
cannon, a spirit stone, crystalline targeting matrix and of course field
generators that can double as a holofield - no vectored or spirit engines and
no scythes (but who cares about scythes?)

SPACE MARINE LEGENDS

More fluff, on four Space Marine Chapters (Ultramarines, White Scars,
Salamanders and Imperial Fists). Reprinted, near as I can tell.

HEROES OF THE IMPERIUM

Rules and fluff for Lysander and Shrike. To give the writers credit, these
characters' stories are a departure from the usual 'brave feral savage became a
Space Marine, won glorious victories, became a hero' stuff that's stale by now.

NECROMUNDA: THE IRON LORDS

GW's latest inhouse campaign. The gangs: The Unwashed Brotherhood (House
Cawdor), Raygorn's Rednecks (House Goliath), Scarlet Reavers (House Escher),
The Dead-Marsh Defilers (Scavvies, even though they don't have current rules),
HiveNet (converted cybernetic House Van Saar), Trenchcoat Cowboys (House
Delaque, with blue skin for some reason), The Phantoms (House Orlock) and
Lazenby's Specters (House Van Saar). One from every House and only one House
duplicated - you might almost think it was planned that way.

The Unwashed are apparently led by Smelly Bob, an undercover Nurgle cultist
whose "disguise" includes having the Nurgle symbol prominently displayed on the
book he carries ("Honestly, it's just the Forgeworld fluff book...")

We aren't given battle reports, just a description of how the gangs are doing -
bit of a waste of time putting the campaign in WD, really. The Scarlet Reavers
were replaced with Jade Lotus after having to retire early in the campaign,
beaten comprehensively by the Delaque. Let's hope we actually get battle
reports next month. We do get a few details of the setting and a scenario.

DOC BUTCHA'S CONVERSION KLINIC

Eldar Pirates - the same ones as in the Kill-Team section of the 40k rulebook.

SCOURING OF THE SHIRE

Preview of the next LotR supplement. How dull.

ARAGORN'S REVENGE

New scenario.

THE HUNT FOR GOLLUM

Another new scenario.

THE WAR OF THE RINGS

Rambling on about the online summer campaign. And you thought the 40k and WFB
ones weren't interesting.

ISENGUARD'S PACK

Warg Riders.

FURY OF MORDOR

Showcase of a large converted battering ram.

An issue as devoid of rules (or indeed pretty much any other) content as they
come, which is a shame. Next month's looks just as unpromising, with LotR
grabbing the prime time, though we're promised fluff, rules and conversions for
new types of abhuman (I'm guessing none will be short bearded abhumans,
though), a scenario with Tristan le Troubadour (presumably giving the character
6th Ed. rules) and more battle-less Four Gamers.

Philip Bowles

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Anonymous
January 28, 2005 1:04:13 AM

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"P Bowles" <pbowles@aol.com> wrote in message
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<SNIP>

> Skeleton with chainsaw £5
>
> I suppose there's a reason this is needed. Then again, I've always
> supposed
> there's a reason for Blood Bowl but have yet to learn what it is.

Well, with the new special wepon rules, it's not just teh star players who
can have them now, though individual models aren't really needed, as for
Blood Bowl itself, it's an ideal fast beer & pretzels game, and is a good
way of doing a pre-Suberbowl gaming party...
>
>
> NEWS - WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
>

> concept of a setting-based supplement is all Lustria has in common with
> that.
> What we're told seems to hold more shades of RT than Cityfight, though -
> an
> Encounters phase with carnivorous plants and the like, random weather and
> other
> events and so on.
>

Sounds pretty neat as an idea.

> The Rise of Sotek itself is basically a campaign written into the book
> and, as
> I predicted at one stage, it is a historical campaign between Lizardmen
> and
> Clan Pestilens.

Not a hard prediction when GW came out and told us as much during the SoC
campaign...

> It's set during the Age of Strife, apparently, so expect some
> welcome fluff about what the Slann were up to before the rise of the
> Imperium,
> while the Eldar empire was still going strong and ... not *that* Age of
> Strife?
> We're told of new releases for "several Warhammer races" - Tenehuain and a
> variety of Pestilens-themed Skaven are the obvious ones, and we've seen
> High
> Elves, but we aren't given any more details. I still want to see Luthor
> Harkon.
>

I'm praying that the Pestilens is an excuse for new clanrat models, rather
than just a grungy green sprue.

> THE UNDER-EMPIRE
>
> One thing that does seem to be new is a reference to Warlord Clan
> Scrutens, resident under Marienburg, which was forced out of a previous
> stronghold by conflict with the Fimir (who are unsurprisingly not
> mentioned by
> name, just as "some form of daemonic, cyclopean swamp-dwellers). However,
> the
> Fimir around Marienburg were themselves wiped out by the Skaven, and
> that's no
> doubt why they don't have an army list.

I think this is material culled from the Sodl down the River WFRP
supplement.

>
>
> SPACE MARINE LEGENDS
>
> More fluff, on four Space Marine Chapters (Ultramarines, White Scars,
> Salamanders and Imperial Fists). Reprinted, near as I can tell.

Just the Index Astartes articles gussied up a bit? Or is the Salamander
stuff rom a different source?

>
> THE WAR OF THE RINGS
>
> Rambling on about the online summer campaign. And you thought the 40k and
> WFB
> ones weren't interesting.
>

Wasn't this War already one by homosexual midgets and a grey slimy thing at
a multiplex near you in the past few years?

>
> a scenario with Tristan le Troubadour (presumably giving the character
> 6th Ed. rules)

More Bretonnian stuff? *perks up*
Anonymous
January 28, 2005 11:20:51 AM

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"P Bowles" <pbowles@aol.com> wrote in message
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> BLOOD BOWL
>
> Skeleton with chainsaw £5
>
> I suppose there's a reason this is needed.

well, it's a skeleton with a chainsaw. I sure can't think of a reason why
NOT.

> THE UNDER-EMPIRE
>
> This is a very fluffy issue, though I'm not sure why the Skaven were
chosen for
> one this month - perhaps they've been ignored for a bit too long, or they
want
> the opportunity to advertise the Skaven fluff book.

I'd prefer some decent models, but what can you do...

> There's nothing much new
> here, not even an acknowledgment that after the Storm of Chaos the Empire
can't
> pretend Skaven don't exist. In fact the whole piece seems to be drawn from
> older fluff - there's no reference to the Dwarf presence in Karak Eight
Peaks,
> for instance.

most of it is copied from Andy Chambers' excellent work on the old 4th
edition-era skaven book. note the complete lack of acknowledgement...

> One thing that does seem to be new is a reference to Warlord Clan
> Scrutens, resident under Marienburg, which was forced out of a previous
> stronghold by conflict with the Fimir (who are unsurprisingly not
mentioned by
> name, just as "some form of daemonic, cyclopean swamp-dwellers). However,
the
> Fimir around Marienburg were themselves wiped out by the Skaven, and
that's no
> doubt why they don't have an army list.

*ahem*

> Most of this is reprinted and there's very little on Biel-Tan history -
> disappointing, though at least it doesn't introduce anything that
conflicts
> with my Biel-Tan fluff. Introduced is the idea of just what an Autarch is,
and
> this idea (an Exarch that has explored several Aspects of the Path of the
> Warrior) seems to conflict with long-established fluff which holds that an
> Eldar is confined to one Aspect when he chooses the Path of the Warrior.

that's not the inconsistency; I don't think it's even been stated that an
aspect warrior can't follow multiple aspects in his lifetime. an exarch
though, on the other hand...
Related resources
Anonymous
January 28, 2005 2:02:38 PM

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"Craig Little" <craig.little@gmail.com> wrote in
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>
> "P Bowles" <pbowles@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20050127170412.00127.00000008@mb-m15.aol.com...
>
> <SNIP>

>> a scenario with Tristan le Troubadour (presumably giving the
>> character 6th Ed. rules)
>
> More Bretonnian stuff? *perks up*
>
>

We've got that article here (Oz).

In Pursuit of a Traitor - Fluff about Tristan, his hunt for a traitor, and
the subsequent battle against the Empire.

Tristan's rules - 204 points
No magical equipment, but gets to sing one of three songs per turn.
May either add +1 to combat res., gain magic resistance or make a unit
stubborn.

Jules the jester - 65 points
Hand weapon.
Must deploy within 6" of Tristan, but may move freely afterward.
2+ ward save.
Enemy models within 6" get -1 to "to hit" rolls.

Two scenarios - The Battle of Montfort, (3000pts Empire vs. Brett), and
The Impossible Victory (2000pt Empire vs. 1000pt Brett.)
Anonymous
January 28, 2005 3:19:02 PM

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Out from under a rock popped P Bowles and said

> BUGMAN'S LAMENT
>
> Final part of the Bugman campaign. I haven't really been following
> this, but we get rules and conversion ideas for two new characters
> (the Dwarf is rather bad but the Goblin - Grom the Paunch with a new
> axe and head - isn't). We also get two new Dwarf list entries - a
> brewmaster and Dwarf firethrowers (actually quite a good conversion).

Any idea if these are going to turn up on the web site? I really don't
want to buy another WD.

--
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Anonymous
January 28, 2005 3:19:03 PM

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Robert Singers <rsingers@finger.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns95EC7D5307A16rsingers@IP-Hidden>...
> Out from under a rock popped P Bowles and said
>
> > BUGMAN'S LAMENT
> >
> > Final part of the Bugman campaign. I haven't really been following
> > this, but we get rules and conversion ideas for two new characters
> > (the Dwarf is rather bad but the Goblin - Grom the Paunch with a new
> > axe and head - isn't). We also get two new Dwarf list entries - a
> > brewmaster and Dwarf firethrowers (actually quite a good conversion).
> Any idea if these are going to turn up on the web site? I really don't
> want to buy another WD.

No idea - they're rules for units in the campaign rather than official
new entries to the Dwarf book, so probably not. That being said, I
doubt this qualifies as significant copyright infringement:

DWARF BREWMASTER 60pts

M WS BS S T W I A Ld
3 5 4 4 5 2 2 3 9

Counts as a Hero choice

Weapons: Hand weapon

Options:

- May choose either a great weapon (+4pts) or a pistol (+7pts)
- May also choose either a crossbow (+10pts) or a Dwarf handgun
(+14pts)
- May wear light armour (+2pts) and may carry a shield (+2pts)
- May choose runic items up to 50pts from the Weapons and Talismans
lists.

DWARF FIRE THROWER 75pts

M WS BS S T W I A Ld
3 4 3 3 4 1 2 1 9

Rare choice, 0-2 limit.

Unit: 2 crew carrying a fire thrower

Weapons: Hand weapon and light armour.

Fire thrower: R 0" S 4 Wounds: 1 Save: -1

The fire thrower shoots in the same way as the flame cannon, but as it
has no range it shoots a distance equal to the roll of the artillery
dice. Any unit taking casualties from a fire thrower must take an
immediate Panic test.

The fire thrower can be used to stand and shoot. The fire thrower can
operate as normal with only one crewman (any hits automatically affect
the crew rather than the weapon).

The weapon is also highly temperamental, so there is a -1 modifier to
all rolls on the Misfire chart.

Philip Bowles
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January 29, 2005 4:17:51 PM

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"Philip Bowles" <pbowles@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Robert Singers <rsingers@finger.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<Xns95EC7D5307A16rsingers@IP-Hidden>...
>> Out from under a rock popped P Bowles and said
>>
>> > BUGMAN'S LAMENT
>> >
>> > Final part of the Bugman campaign. I haven't really been following
>> > this, but we get rules and conversion ideas for two new characters
>> > (the Dwarf is rather bad but the Goblin - Grom the Paunch with a new
>> > axe and head - isn't). We also get two new Dwarf list entries - a
>> > brewmaster and Dwarf firethrowers (actually quite a good conversion).
>> Any idea if these are going to turn up on the web site? I really don't
>> want to buy another WD.
>
> No idea - they're rules for units in the campaign rather than official
> new entries to the Dwarf book, so probably not. That being said, I
> doubt this qualifies as significant copyright infringement:
>
> DWARF BREWMASTER 60pts
>
> M WS BS S T W I A Ld
> 3 5 4 4 5 2 2 3 9
>
> Counts as a Hero choice
>
> Weapons: Hand weapon
>
> Options:
>
> - May choose either a great weapon (+4pts) or a pistol (+7pts)
> - May also choose either a crossbow (+10pts) or a Dwarf handgun
> (+14pts)
> - May wear light armour (+2pts) and may carry a shield (+2pts)
> - May choose runic items up to 50pts from the Weapons and Talismans
> lists.
>
> DWARF FIRE THROWER 75pts
>
> M WS BS S T W I A Ld
> 3 4 3 3 4 1 2 1 9
>
> Rare choice, 0-2 limit.
>
> Unit: 2 crew carrying a fire thrower
>
> Weapons: Hand weapon and light armour.
>
> Fire thrower: R 0" S 4 Wounds: 1 Save: -1
>
> The fire thrower shoots in the same way as the flame cannon, but as it
> has no range it shoots a distance equal to the roll of the artillery
> dice. Any unit taking casualties from a fire thrower must take an
> immediate Panic test.
>
> The fire thrower can be used to stand and shoot. The fire thrower can
> operate as normal with only one crewman (any hits automatically affect
> the crew rather than the weapon).
>
> The weapon is also highly temperamental, so there is a -1 modifier to
> all rolls on the Misfire chart.

Way cool now if only the dwarfs had soem cavalry the might actually be a
useful army.
Anonymous
January 30, 2005 12:06:57 AM

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Out from under a rock popped manickZe and said

> Way cool now if only the dwarfs had soem cavalry the might actually be a
> useful army.

They do. Kislev allies. The only problem is the GW minis are too bloody
expensive.

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February 2, 2005 8:52:34 PM

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In article <587631d1.0501280008.736ee1eb@posting.google.com>,
pbowles@aol.com (Philip Bowles) writes:
> DWARF FIRE THROWER 75pts
>
> M WS BS S T W I A Ld
> 3 4 3 3 4 1 2 1 9
>
> Rare choice, 0-2 limit.
>
> Unit: 2 crew carrying a fire thrower
>
> Weapons: Hand weapon and light armour.
>
> Fire thrower: R 0" S 4 Wounds: 1 Save: -1
>

They better make theese official, cause now I can finally use my fire
thrower teams in non third edition games. Petty that I only can take
two. I guess I can always use the third team as chearleeders along my
dwarven chef.

/Ewok

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Anonymous
February 2, 2005 11:29:54 PM

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Out from under a rock popped Ewok and said

> They better make theese official, cause now I can finally use my fire
> thrower teams in non third edition games. Petty that I only can take
> two. I guess I can always use the third team as chearleeders along my
> dwarven chef.

Just a chef? No bugman's cart and drunk dwarfs? What about a runner and a
samurai or two?

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February 2, 2005 11:44:58 PM

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In article <Xns95F260CC6325Brsingers@ip-hidden>,
Robert Singers <rsingers@finger.hotmail.com> writes:
> Just a chef? No bugman's cart and drunk dwarfs? What about a runner and a
> samurai or two?
>

I haven*t been able to get Bugman*s beer cart, but those dwarfs I*m
really interesten in are Dwarf with inferiority complex and flasher
dwarf. The rat catcher would also be nice to have.

/Youre friendly neighbourhood Ewok

(*) For some strange reason I can*t write the apostrophe now, so I
have replaced it with an asterik
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Anonymous
February 3, 2005 12:48:05 AM

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Out from under a rock popped Ewok and said

> I haven*t been able to get Bugman*s beer cart, but those dwarfs I*m
> really interesten in are Dwarf with inferiority complex and flasher
> dwarf. The rat catcher would also be nice to have.

I have the inferiority complex with his little goblin mate
(http://www.solegends.com/citle/citle25dwarfinferior.htm) and the Dwarf
Slayer with the Dragon head, thanks to Kaine. I have Bugman's cart and the
chef, and several drunk dwarfs and Bugman's Dwarf Rangers (thanks to Kurt).
Dwarf Samurai, runner, ninja, woodsman - various Dwarf adventurers and
imperial dwarfs.

What I really want now is one of the Dwarf wizards and the inconvenianced
Dwarf http://www.solegends.com/citle/citle13inconvenienceddwa...

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Anonymous
February 6, 2005 2:18:30 PM

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Robert Singers wrote:

> Out from under a rock popped Ewok and said

> What I really want now is one of the Dwarf wizards and the inconvenianced
> Dwarf http://www.solegends.com/citle/citle13inconvenienceddwa...

I don't have any strange dwarves, but I do have one of the Chaos
Lavatories around somewhere.
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