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"Azazal" <azazal@tds.net> wrote in message
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> http://figmata.com/grafx/gallery/BaltGD20052/index.html
>
> Check out the World Eater dreadnought, it doesn't look real.
>
> This is from Vincent Hudon, AKA Boltman on Bolter and Chainsword.
>
> That's it I have seen a new level of painting and now know my meager skill
> will never reach.


Here's a link you might like to look at, if you haven't come across it
already. Not that I want to plug our new guy or anything...;>)


http://www.chaos-child.co.uk/



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It was a cold day in September when Azazal entered the world pub known as
rec.games.miniatures.warhammer and said...

> http://figmata.com/grafx/gallery/BaltGD20052/index.html
>
> Check out the World Eater dreadnought, it doesn't look real.
>
> This is from Vincent Hudon, AKA Boltman on Bolter and Chainsword.
>
> That's it I have seen a new level of painting and now know my meager
> skill will never reach.
>
The skills required are attainable for that level, the lines are very clean,
but the techniques used fairly easy to master. Through practice your
"meager" skills will grow the main thing is to never give up and to practice
those techniques that you wish to learn.
--
Jim M

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In article <42887021$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net>, Azazal, azazal@tds.net
Varfed out the following in Timo speak...
> http://figmata.com/grafx/gallery/BaltGD20052/index.html
>
> Check out the World Eater dreadnought, it doesn't look real.
>
> This is from Vincent Hudon, AKA Boltman on Bolter and Chainsword.

Very nice - I do like all the stuff on the site. Thanks for the link.

>
> That's it I have seen a new level of painting and now know my meager
> skill will never reach.

Oh malarkey! Painting is a skill like a great many others. It
isn't a matter of some insanely rare genetic gift. It's a learnable &
teachable skill. (If you think painting's a bitch - take up medicine or
engineering.) The problem is that most people don't want to go to the
time and effort to practice the skills it takes to become an
accomplished painter (much less the expense of lessons) any more than
say they want to spend the time it takes to become an accomplished
musician. Sure, some folks are destine to be better at a given skill
than others - but great many people go through life never knowing the
extent of their talents and skills because they never push themselves.

You want to learn how to paint miniatures to that level? Great! Be
prepared to spend a lot of time on painting exercises. First step is
brush control (learning the physical motor skills to control the brush
well - Dr. Jason Dyer could give more info on this if I can get a hold
of him). After that comes color theory and blending - which can be
learned by practicing painting in color wheel charts. After you train
your eye to recognize and mix colors, it becomes much easier to mix
colors on demand. Last step is optical physics and the operation of
the human eye, along with a bit of psych on how the brain interprets
visual information. (It's how you create the illusion of 3D on 2D
surfaces as well as other visual distortions.) It isn't an
insurmountable obstacle, it's just time consuming and involves real
'work'.

Myrmidon


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"Conan, what is best in life?"
"To paint your miniatures, to see them driven before you on the table,
and to hear the lamentation of the cheese-mongers!"

- Del Webb

RGMW FAQ: http://www.rgmw.org

Or...

http://www.sheppard.demon.co.uk/rgmw_faq/rgmw_faq.htm
 
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 03:15:59 GMT, Myrmidon <ImNot@home.com> wrote:

> It isn't an
>insurmountable obstacle, it's just time consuming and involves real
>'work'.

Here's where I help myself not to feel bad. I look at some of these
figures and note that it likely took the painter more time to do that
one model than it took me to paint an entire army. Since I'm in this
hobby for the gaming, and my figures look really good on the tabletop,
I'm fine with that. If I can't muster up the time to beat someone in
a Golden Demon and they've put that much work into it, they should get
the reward (and I'll just hop a flight to L.A. where I can re-enter
and most likely win at that point).

If you're willing to go to all the extra work it'll take to achieve
that level with a single model, great! But you can be an awesome
painter without ever having achieved something like that Dreadnought.
Looking at single examples like that and throwing in the towel is a
bad idea.
-Erik
 
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Myrmidon wrote:
> In article <42887021$1_1@newspeer2.tds.net>, Azazal, azazal@tds.net
> Varfed out the following in Timo speak...
>
>>http://figmata.com/grafx/gallery/BaltGD20052/index.html
>>
>>Check out the World Eater dreadnought, it doesn't look real.
>>
>>This is from Vincent Hudon, AKA Boltman on Bolter and Chainsword.
>
>
> Very nice - I do like all the stuff on the site. Thanks for the link.
>
>
>>That's it I have seen a new level of painting and now know my meager
>>skill will never reach.
>
>
> Oh malarkey! Painting is a skill like a great many others. It
> isn't a matter of some insanely rare genetic gift. It's a learnable &
> teachable skill. (If you think painting's a bitch - take up medicine or
> engineering.) The problem is that most people don't want to go to the
> time and effort to practice the skills it takes to become an
> accomplished painter (much less the expense of lessons) any more than
> say they want to spend the time it takes to become an accomplished
> musician. Sure, some folks are destine to be better at a given skill
> than others - but great many people go through life never knowing the
> extent of their talents and skills because they never push themselves.
>
> You want to learn how to paint miniatures to that level? Great! Be
> prepared to spend a lot of time on painting exercises. First step is
> brush control (learning the physical motor skills to control the brush
> well - Dr. Jason Dyer could give more info on this if I can get a hold
> of him). After that comes color theory and blending - which can be
> learned by practicing painting in color wheel charts. After you train
> your eye to recognize and mix colors, it becomes much easier to mix
> colors on demand. Last step is optical physics and the operation of
> the human eye, along with a bit of psych on how the brain interprets
> visual information. (It's how you create the illusion of 3D on 2D
> surfaces as well as other visual distortions.) It isn't an
> insurmountable obstacle, it's just time consuming and involves real
> 'work'.
>
> Myrmidon
>
>
Work? Work?! This is supposed to be fun! :) I work very hard on my
Half-Life 2 skills! ;) Wonder if my screw top GW paint is dried up yet?

TTFN
Joe
 
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Hey Myrmidon,


>> It isn't a matter of some insanely rare genetic gift.

Not Nature . . .

>> It's a learnable & teachable skill.

. . . but nurture?

>> some folks are destine to be better at a given skill than others

So now it's Nature again? By George, he hasn't got it!

>> people go through life never knowing the extent of their talents

Hardly a tragic factoid. Especially as it pertains to *The Hobby*.

>> they never push themselves

There's the crux: whether likely results are *worth* the effort.

>> Be prepared to spend a lot of time on painting exercises.

Exercises? Solitary calisthenics? What, instead of playing?

For a result that's appreciable only under magnification? X- D

>> control

LOL!

>> theory

LMAO!

>> physics

ROTFLMAO!

>> psych

ROTFLMAOWTIME!

>> time consuming...real 'work'.

Whew! Oho, man! Like medicine and engineering? Puh-lease!

You can't compare 'wet brush' techniques to a gifted Healer.

That's an insult to the prodigy who developed Breast Augmentation.

NMM mastery equivalent to a God-given aptitude for engineering?

Not to the genius who developed the Beer Can That Opens at Both Ends.

Painting toys is more akin to 'craft' skills like yodeling or juggling.


Sure, it's cool to be able to balance heavy appliances on your face.

But after months of solitary practice, you'd be missing something.

That FW Dread wasn't painted for so low a purpose as *gaming*!

So it's no more impressive to *gamers* than a Slim Whitman song.

Neither is the apparent 'skill' one whit more enviable.

So, you hobbyists who consider yourselves 'primarily painters'?

Is it worth it?

A'ight, I'm Audi.

I have to go think of ways to put *yet more* chrome on my motorcycle.

Later, all.


Playa

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Why can't the English teach their children how to speak?
This verbal class distinction, by now should be antique.
If you spoke as she does sir, instead of the way you do,
Why, you might be - - - selling flowers, too!

Hear a Yorkshireman. Or worse, hear a Cornishman converse,
I'd rather hear a choir singing flat.
Chickens cackling in a barn, just like this girl Eliza. "G'arn!"
Oh, Henry! Now I ask you sir, what sort of word is that?
 
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"Myrmidon" <ImNot@home.com> wrote in message
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> In article <1116354826.621507.138520@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, Playa,
> hurlgen40k@aol.com Varfed out the following in Timo speak...
>
>


<<SNIP>>

Damn, Myr.

Tell us what you really think.


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