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http://uk.games-workshop.com/chapterapproved/catachan-rules/1/


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> . . . and what have you done with the *real* GW?
>
> http://uk.games-workshop.com/chapterapproved/catachan-rules/1/
>
>
> Playa
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Old codex as PDF, uncharacteristic behavour for GW isn't it!

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On Tue, 24 May 2005 22:06:32 +0000, Jody Hodgson wrote:
> "Playa" <hurlgen40k@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1116961636.744068.127620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> . . . and what have you done with the *real* GW?
>>
>> http://uk.games-workshop.com/chapterapproved/catachan-rules/1/
>>
>
> Old codex as PDF, uncharacteristic behavour for GW isn't it!
>

Maybe the readdition of the jungle fighting rules is an attempt to sell
jungle terrain from the lustria campaign to 40K players?

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> On Tue, 24 May 2005 22:06:32 +0000, Jody Hodgson wrote:
> > "Playa" <hurlgen40k@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1116961636.744068.127620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> . . . and what have you done with the *real* GW?
> >>
> >> http://uk.games-workshop.com/chapterapproved/catachan-rules/1/
> >>
> >
> > Old codex as PDF, uncharacteristic behavour for GW isn't it!
> >
>
> Maybe the readdition of the jungle fighting rules is an attempt to sell
> jungle terrain from the lustria campaign to 40K players?
>
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There's the catch, never thought of it like that since most of my jungle
terrain comes as plastic aquarium plants from the local pet shop at a
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"Jody Hodgson" <jody.hodgson@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Playa" <hurlgen40k@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1116961636.744068.127620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> . . . and what have you done with the *real* GW?
>>
>> http://uk.games-workshop.com/chapterapproved/catachan-rules/1/
>>
>>
>> Playa
>>
>
>
> Old codex as PDF, uncharacteristic behavour for GW isn't it!

Not just old - they've updated it to bring into line with 4th edition and
the current IG codex. If they can do it for the catachans, it's looking very
likely that the rumours about them doing it for Tau (albeit in print form,
not pdf) are not so far fetched after all, which pushes orks/eldar
(whichever one was rumoured to be out later this year) back to sometime next
year.

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In article <3fipcuF82lf1U1@individual.net>, Spack,
news@worldofspack.co.uk Varfed out the following in Timo speak...
>
> "Jody Hodgson" <jody.hodgson@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:IzNke.72$a5.0@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> >
> > "Playa" <hurlgen40k@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1116961636.744068.127620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> . . . and what have you done with the *real* GW?
> >>
> >> http://uk.games-workshop.com/chapterapproved/catachan-rules/1/
> >>
> >>
> >> Playa
> >>
> >
> >
> > Old codex as PDF, uncharacteristic behavour for GW isn't it!
>
> Not just old - they've updated it to bring into line with 4th edition and
> the current IG codex. If they can do it for the catachans, it's looking very
> likely that the rumours about them doing it for Tau (albeit in print form,
> not pdf) are not so far fetched after all, which pushes orks/eldar
> (whichever one was rumoured to be out later this year) back to sometime next
> year.
>
> Dan

One wonders if they've (GW) decided to give Jungle Fighters
minimal support? Anyone know if / how well the plastic rambos sold, or
more importantly, how well they've sold once the plastic Cadians came
out? If they weren't a terribly popular army, then I can understand
the move. At least GW is giving the Rambo players from 3rd a nod with a
(FREE!) 4th Ed mini-codex rather than just dropping support all
together, which is a smarter business and customer P.R. strategy than in
years past.

As for the Tau, them getting a new update would make my friend
happy as he's just getting into collecting a Tau army and he's wondering
how the new Nid Codex will tip the scales in terms of balance.

As for pushing other codex back - why would it of necessity do
that? Unless they're planning a lot of new minis for each army (which
they may or may not be doing) I'm not sure why GW couldn't release more
than one codex at a time - particularly for armys not getting a lot of
new figures. I can see them wanting to stretch out the fan-fare over
new minis / army list release (and thus hopefully pimp out more sales).
But Tau have a fairly 'new' series of figures compaired to other races.

Time will tell I guess.

Myrmidon

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and I'm too knackered for riotous living..."

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On Wed, 25 May 2005 10:24:17 GMT, Myrmidon <ImNot@home.com> wrote:

> As for the Tau, them getting a new update would make my friend
>happy as he's just getting into collecting a Tau army and he's wondering
>how the new Nid Codex will tip the scales in terms of balance.

Having seen them in a couple of games so far, I'd say they haven't
tipped the scales too much. A good representation of the new Bug
rules were there - winged HT, Raveners, Brood Lord with 11 Stealers,
six more Stealers, lots of Gaunts, three Biovores, two Lictors, three
Zoanthropes, some Warriors. The only problem was the Warriors having
immunity to instant death, which ended up getting them singled out
with light fire (rapid firing them to death quickly). I don't think
they've become too powerful at all, actually. Just more interesting.
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"Myrmidon" <ImNot@home.com> wrote in message
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> In article <3fipcuF82lf1U1@individual.net>, Spack,
> news@worldofspack.co.uk Varfed out the following in Timo speak...
> >
> > "Jody Hodgson" <jody.hodgson@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:IzNke.72$a5.0@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> > >
> > > "Playa" <hurlgen40k@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1116961636.744068.127620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >>
> > >> . . . and what have you done with the *real* GW?
> > >>
> > >> http://uk.games-workshop.com/chapterapproved/catachan-rules/1/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Playa
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Old codex as PDF, uncharacteristic behavour for GW isn't it!
> >
> > Not just old - they've updated it to bring into line with 4th edition
and
> > the current IG codex. If they can do it for the catachans, it's looking
very
> > likely that the rumours about them doing it for Tau (albeit in print
form,
> > not pdf) are not so far fetched after all, which pushes orks/eldar
> > (whichever one was rumoured to be out later this year) back to sometime
next
> > year.
> >
> > Dan
>
> One wonders if they've (GW) decided to give Jungle Fighters
> minimal support? Anyone know if / how well the plastic rambos sold, or
> more importantly, how well they've sold once the plastic Cadians came
> out? If they weren't a terribly popular army, then I can understand
> the move. At least GW is giving the Rambo players from 3rd a nod with a
> (FREE!) 4th Ed mini-codex rather than just dropping support all
> together, which is a smarter business and customer P.R. strategy than in
> years past.
>
> As for the Tau, them getting a new update would make my friend
> happy as he's just getting into collecting a Tau army and he's wondering
> how the new Nid Codex will tip the scales in terms of balance.
>
> As for pushing other codex back - why would it of necessity do
> that? Unless they're planning a lot of new minis for each army (which
> they may or may not be doing) I'm not sure why GW couldn't release more
> than one codex at a time - particularly for armys not getting a lot of
> new figures.

I would imagine it would be easier to to release a codex via PDF rather than
printed format, they are all written on a computer or atleast typed up on
one. Simple enough to convert them to PDF format.

> I can see them wanting to stretch out the fan-fare over
> new minis / army list release (and thus hopefully pimp out more sales).
> But Tau have a fairly 'new' series of figures compaired to other races.
>
> Time will tell I guess.
>
> Myrmidon
>
> --
> "I'm already impoverished from buying wargames minis,
> and I'm too knackered for riotous living..."
>
> -- Moramarth
>
> RGMW FAQ: http://www.rgmw.org
>
> Or...
>
> http://www.sheppard.demon.co.uk/rgmw_faq/rgmw_faq.htm

Does this mean we may see all codexes avaiable through PDF format?

Jode
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> In article <3fipcuF82lf1U1@individual.net>, Spack,
> news@worldofspack.co.uk Varfed out the following in Timo speak...
>>
>> "Jody Hodgson" <jody.hodgson@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:IzNke.72$a5.0@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
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>> > "Playa" <hurlgen40k@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1116961636.744068.127620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >>
>> >> . . . and what have you done with the *real* GW?
>> >>
>> >> http://uk.games-workshop.com/chapterapproved/catachan-rules/1/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Playa
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Old codex as PDF, uncharacteristic behavour for GW isn't it!
>>
>> Not just old - they've updated it to bring into line with 4th edition and
>> the current IG codex. If they can do it for the catachans, it's looking
>> very
>> likely that the rumours about them doing it for Tau (albeit in print
>> form,
>> not pdf) are not so far fetched after all, which pushes orks/eldar
>> (whichever one was rumoured to be out later this year) back to sometime
>> next
>> year.
>>
>> Dan
>
> One wonders if they've (GW) decided to give Jungle Fighters
> minimal support? Anyone know if / how well the plastic rambos sold, or
> more importantly, how well they've sold once the plastic Cadians came
> out? If they weren't a terribly popular army, then I can understand
> the move. At least GW is giving the Rambo players from 3rd a nod with a
> (FREE!) 4th Ed mini-codex rather than just dropping support all
> together, which is a smarter business and customer P.R. strategy than in
> years past.
>
> As for the Tau, them getting a new update would make my friend
> happy as he's just getting into collecting a Tau army and he's wondering
> how the new Nid Codex will tip the scales in terms of balance.
>
> As for pushing other codex back - why would it of necessity do
> that? Unless they're planning a lot of new minis for each army (which
> they may or may not be doing) I'm not sure why GW couldn't release more
> than one codex at a time - particularly for armys not getting a lot of
> new figures. I can see them wanting to stretch out the fan-fare over
> new minis / army list release (and thus hopefully pimp out more sales).
> But Tau have a fairly 'new' series of figures compaired to other races.

By "pushes back" I didn't mean updating Codex: Tau was delaying the
orks/eldar codex release. What I meant was that to fit into line with GW's
push for 2 xenos and 1 marine codex each year, they would have to release a
xenos codex after BT. By releasing Codex: Tau with a few tweaks, it gives
them a few more months to work on the orks or eldar codex, whichever is
supposed to be next. They keep to their announced "schedule", and get a bit
of breathing space to work on the next big codex.

I guess there are good reasons for not bringing out 2 large releases at the
same time. If say 50% (and I'm plucking this figure out of the air) of the
production is on pumping out new products to coincide with a new codex
release, then pushing 2 at the same time is a bad idea - it leaves no
production capability for continuing to output existing ranges. Then there's
the matter of shelf space (the GW stores near me tend to have more space
allocated to new stuff), and shipping it all out to the stores (double the
number of boxes of new stuff to send out at the same time). Also by
spreading out releases it smooths out the cashflow. I'm no financial or
business expert (I'm not even a financial novice, anyone who sees my
expenditure compared to my income would spot that straight away :\) so I
might be talking complete rubbish.

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"Jody Hodgson" <jody.hodgson@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> I would imagine it would be easier to to release a codex via PDF rather
> than
> printed format, they are all written on a computer or atleast typed up on
> one. Simple enough to convert them to PDF format.

This is GW we're talking about. The existing 40K FAQs could do with a
rebuild (plenty of "official" changes posted in the GW 40K forum to update
them with), and yet they seem incapable of finding a teaboy with even a
rudimentary grasp of how to use a mouse to drop the changes into place. Yet
instead of doing that, they've been tweaking the Catachan codex (and even
had the art department working on the cover and the web team writing pages
for it).

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"Spack" <news@worldofspack.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Jody Hodgson" <jody.hodgson@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:IWYke.5239$RG2.2683@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>
> > I would imagine it would be easier to to release a codex via PDF rather
> > than
> > printed format, they are all written on a computer or atleast typed up
on
> > one. Simple enough to convert them to PDF format.
>
> This is GW we're talking about. The existing 40K FAQs could do with a
> rebuild (plenty of "official" changes posted in the GW 40K forum to update
> them with), and yet they seem incapable of finding a teaboy with even a
> rudimentary grasp of how to use a mouse to drop the changes into place.
Yet
> instead of doing that, they've been tweaking the Catachan codex (and even
> had the art department working on the cover and the web team writing pages
> for it).
>
> Dan
>
The PDF codex isn't that different from the old paper one, the only
differences are the renumbering of 40k rule book references, a couple of
extra bits of artwork and the removal of the bits allowing a standard IG
force to take DW units. But would still agree that the FAQ's would have been
time better spent. Specialy since nothing in the PDF is new.

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> "Spack" <news@worldofspack.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3fj4h8F80dkaU1@individual.net...
>> "Jody Hodgson" <jody.hodgson@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:IWYke.5239$RG2.2683@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>>
>> > I would imagine it would be easier to to release a codex via PDF rather
>> > than
>> > printed format, they are all written on a computer or atleast typed up
> on
>> > one. Simple enough to convert them to PDF format.
>>
>> This is GW we're talking about. The existing 40K FAQs could do with a
>> rebuild (plenty of "official" changes posted in the GW 40K forum to
>> update
>> them with), and yet they seem incapable of finding a teaboy with even a
>> rudimentary grasp of how to use a mouse to drop the changes into place.
> Yet
>> instead of doing that, they've been tweaking the Catachan codex (and even
>> had the art department working on the cover and the web team writing
>> pages
>> for it).
>>
>> Dan
>>
> The PDF codex isn't that different from the old paper one, the only
> differences are the renumbering of 40k rule book references, a couple of
> extra bits of artwork and the removal of the bits allowing a standard IG
> force to take DW units. But would still agree that the FAQ's would have
> been
> time better spent. Specialy since nothing in the PDF is new.

Removal? The page where you dl the PDF on the UK clearly says it allows you
to add DW vets to a standard IG list. Quote from
http://uk.games-workshop.com/chapterapproved/catachan-rules/1/

"The Deathworld army list can be used in two ways. First, you can use it to
add units of Deathworld Veterans to a standard Imperial Guard force. These
additions represent detachments from a Deathworld Veteran army that has been
at war for a considerable period of time and has been moved from one warzone
to another. These detachments are being combined with elements of other
Imperial Guard regiments along the way."

Checking the PDF I can see that it doesn't actually allow what the
description above says. Yet again GW proves that it can easily produce
conflicting information without even trying.
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"Spack" <news@worldofspack.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Jody Hodgson" <jody.hodgson@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:7S6le.1806$a5.641@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> >
> > "Spack" <news@worldofspack.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:3fj4h8F80dkaU1@individual.net...
> >> "Jody Hodgson" <jody.hodgson@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> >> news:IWYke.5239$RG2.2683@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
> >>
> >> > I would imagine it would be easier to to release a codex via PDF
rather
> >> > than
> >> > printed format, they are all written on a computer or atleast typed
up
> > on
> >> > one. Simple enough to convert them to PDF format.
> >>
> >> This is GW we're talking about. The existing 40K FAQs could do with a
> >> rebuild (plenty of "official" changes posted in the GW 40K forum to
> >> update
> >> them with), and yet they seem incapable of finding a teaboy with even a
> >> rudimentary grasp of how to use a mouse to drop the changes into place.
> > Yet
> >> instead of doing that, they've been tweaking the Catachan codex (and
even
> >> had the art department working on the cover and the web team writing
> >> pages
> >> for it).
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> > The PDF codex isn't that different from the old paper one, the only
> > differences are the renumbering of 40k rule book references, a couple of
> > extra bits of artwork and the removal of the bits allowing a standard IG
> > force to take DW units. But would still agree that the FAQ's would have
> > been
> > time better spent. Specialy since nothing in the PDF is new.
>
> Removal? The page where you dl the PDF on the UK clearly says it allows
you
> to add DW vets to a standard IG list. Quote from
> http://uk.games-workshop.com/chapterapproved/catachan-rules/1/
>
> "The Deathworld army list can be used in two ways. First, you can use it
to
> add units of Deathworld Veterans to a standard Imperial Guard force. These
> additions represent detachments from a Deathworld Veteran army that has
been
> at war for a considerable period of time and has been moved from one
warzone
> to another. These detachments are being combined with elements of other
> Imperial Guard regiments along the way."
>
> Checking the PDF I can see that it doesn't actually allow what the
> description above says. Yet again GW proves that it can easily produce
> conflicting information without even trying.
> Dan
>
That's true that is what it says on the site, and that entire quote is what
used to be found in the "Why collect a Catachan army?" section on the
opening page. This in the PDF itself has been REMOVED and replaced with
"This list can be used to field a 'pure' Deathworld army, representing a
recently recruited force. <snip>
If you simply wish to add units of Deathworld Veterans to a standard
Imperial Guard force, then you should make use of te jungle fighters
regimental doctrine, in codex:imerial guard"

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Jody wrote on Thu, 26 May 2005 12:41:18 GMT:

> That's true that is what it says on the site, and that entire quote is
> what used to be found in the "Why collect a Catachan army?" section on the
> opening page. This in the PDF itself has been REMOVED and replaced with
> "This list can be used to field a 'pure' Deathworld army, representing a
> recently recruited force. <snip>
> If you simply wish to add units of Deathworld Veterans to a standard
> Imperial Guard force, then you should make use of te jungle fighters
> regimental doctrine, in codex:imerial guard"

Yeah, I realise that. I just wonder how GW stays in business when they're
unable to keep even the simple things straight. At least the US site has the
correct information on the download page.

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> Jody wrote on Thu, 26 May 2005 12:41:18 GMT:
>
> > That's true that is what it says on the site, and that entire quote is
> > what used to be found in the "Why collect a Catachan army?" section on
the
> > opening page. This in the PDF itself has been REMOVED and replaced with
> > "This list can be used to field a 'pure' Deathworld army, representing a
> > recently recruited force. <snip>
> > If you simply wish to add units of Deathworld Veterans to a standard
> > Imperial Guard force, then you should make use of te jungle fighters
> > regimental doctrine, in codex:imerial guard"
>
> Yeah, I realise that. I just wonder how GW stays in business when they're
> unable to keep even the simple things straight. At least the US site has
the
> correct information on the download page.
>
> Dan
>
>Oh right, soz bit of crossed wires, whn have GW ever been able to keep
their act together even WD would fail to pass a proof read most months.