[40K] Eldar Question: # of Wraithlords

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Which Craftworld allows the highest number of Wraitlords. What is that
number and what force org was tweaked to allow this?

Thanks in advance.

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"Mario" <mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> Which Craftworld allows the highest number of Wraitlords. What is that
> number and what force org was tweaked to allow this?

No Craftworld allows more than 3. Whether you take 3 as heavy support in
most, or 3 as troops in Iyanden - WL and Wraithguard are troops, you have 6
troops slots, and you can't take more WLs than WG units, so it's still
limited to 3 in total.

Isn't 3 enough for you?

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Spack wrote:
> No Craftworld allows more than 3. Whether you take 3 as heavy support in most, or 3 as troops in Iyanden - WL and Wraithguard are troops, you have 6
> troops slots, and you can't take more WLs than WG units, so it's still limited to 3 in total.
>
> Isn't 3 enough for you?

Surely Craftworld Edam allows you to field as many Wraithlords as you want,
as long as they're painted grey and led into battle by Commander Hwang. :eek:)

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>Spack wrote: <>
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>Isn't 3 [wraithlords] enough for you?
>
>Dan

After I saw the movie War Of the Worlds, I scratch built a 2500 pts Saim
Hann army with Tripods for vehicles. All my armies are 2500 points and
I really wanted something else than the standard fare so I used four
squads of Viper substitutes at two models per squad. Looks really
nifty on the battlefield. I use 3 squads of Dire Avengers for troops
(with Tripod Wave Serpents) and the allowed Swooping Hawk, a tripod
FirePrism and small tripods for two Kinsmen bike squads.. I'm actually
going somewhere with this, wait for it.

What I found is that for those points the Saim Hann does not play well
in this configuration. Rather than start dropping Tripod squads for
other choices I would rather experiment with other army lists. The
requirement is to keep the four squads of Tripods (otherwise why
bother). The problem is that the reduced infantry eventually die off
against opponent infantry, even if they give a good return for their
points. The games degenerate into artillery duels. I had the same
problem experimenting with Gundam Mechs as substitute models for
Mechanized IG armies, and also with using VDR and creating BattleMech
style Lance based armies. They all suffer from the inability of these
vehicles to get into HtH or if they do, to do so effectively. The
game's last couple turns are just die rolling with little or no movement.

I was hoping that there was some variant list that allowed for a
Wraithlord based army. I would get the nifty Tripods and the HtH
playability. Last resort is to just do my own army list but as you can
imagine this opens a whole other can of worms, so last resort only.

Suggestions and alternate army lists are welcome.

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Mario wrote:
> >Spack wrote: <>
> >
> >Isn't 3 [wraithlords] enough for you?
> >
> >Dan
>
> After I saw the movie War Of the Worlds, I scratch built a 2500 pts Saim
> Hann army with Tripods for vehicles. All my armies are 2500 points and
> I really wanted something else than the standard fare so I used four
> squads of Viper substitutes at two models per squad. Looks really
> nifty on the battlefield. I use 3 squads of Dire Avengers for troops
> (with Tripod Wave Serpents) and the allowed Swooping Hawk, a tripod
> FirePrism and small tripods for two Kinsmen bike squads.. I'm actually
> going somewhere with this, wait for it.
>
> What I found is that for those points the Saim Hann does not play well
> in this configuration. Rather than start dropping Tripod squads for
> other choices I would rather experiment with other army lists. The
> requirement is to keep the four squads of Tripods (otherwise why
> bother). The problem is that the reduced infantry eventually die off
> against opponent infantry, even if they give a good return for their
> points. The games degenerate into artillery duels. I had the same
> problem experimenting with Gundam Mechs as substitute models for
> Mechanized IG armies, and also with using VDR and creating BattleMech
> style Lance based armies. They all suffer from the inability of these
> vehicles to get into HtH or if they do, to do so effectively. The
> game's last couple turns are just die rolling with little or no movement.
>
> I was hoping that there was some variant list that allowed for a
> Wraithlord based army. I would get the nifty Tripods and the HtH
> playability. Last resort is to just do my own army list but as you can
> imagine this opens a whole other can of worms, so last resort only.
>
> Suggestions and alternate army lists are welcome.
>
> Mario
>
For the tripods use Marines and take them as Dreds. with "heed the
wisdom of the ancients" you can take 6 dreds. 3 Elite and 3 Heavy.

Translating Gundam into 40K sounds like an interesting project. What
size Gundams do you use? the toys are 1/160th scale IIRC. Most gundams
should have jump packs others cold get fleet of foot. Assuming you are
treating them as Creatues and not machines. How are you using them? Is
this an all mobile suit army? I think they'd sub for Tau Crisis suits
the best.

Or treat them right and sue the superhevy rules for the small titans. a
1/60th scale looks around 20mm juding by the pilot figure in Freedom
Gundam.

Turhtfully I'd love to find something that has a better feel for Giant
Robots than Battletech.

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Mario wrote:
> Which Craftworld allows the highest number of Wraitlords.

Iyanden, under 40k3 BBB rules and lists, prior to the release of the
40k3 Codex: Eldar which supersedes the BBB list, per the rules of the BBB.

> What is that number

Six, no more, no less. Six shall be the number thou shalt count, and
the number of the counting shall be six. Seven shalt thou not count,
neither count thou five, excepting that thou then proceed to six.

> and what force org was tweaked to allow this?

African or European?

> Thanks in advance.

You're welcome. :)


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Stephen Weir wrote:
> Spack wrote:
>> No Craftworld allows more than 3.

>> Isn't 3 enough for you?

Depends on the number of FOCs one has, doesn't it? ;)

> Surely Craftworld Edam allows you to field as many Wraithlords as you
> want, as long as they're painted grey and led into battle by Commander
> Hwang. :eek:)

WTF is Craftworld Edam?


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In article <pHvRe.11368$um2.8725@trnddc03>, John Hwang wrote:
> Stephen Weir wrote:

>> Surely Craftworld Edam allows you to field as many Wraithlords as you
>> want, as long as they're painted grey and led into battle by Commander
>> Hwang. :eek:)
>
> WTF is Craftworld Edam?

Pure cheese.
http://entertaining.about.com/od/edam/

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In article <pHvRe.11368$um2.8725@trnddc03>, John Hwang,
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> Stephen Weir wrote:
> > Spack wrote:
> >> No Craftworld allows more than 3.
>
> >> Isn't 3 enough for you?
>
> Depends on the number of FOCs one has, doesn't it? ;)
>
> > Surely Craftworld Edam allows you to field as many Wraithlords as you
> > want, as long as they're painted grey and led into battle by Commander
> > Hwang. :eek:)
>
> WTF is Craftworld Edam?

It's an off-shoot of Kraftworld Wisconsin. Duh! The elder
cheeldar. And then there's Kraftworld Brie - but they're extra snobby,
speak with a funny accent, and shun even other Cheeldar for their lack
of enough 'real formage'.

Besides, how could Stephen pass up a joke that gouda?

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Desert Lurker wrote:

> For the tripods use Marines and take them as Dreds. with "heed the
> wisdom of the ancients" you can take 6 dreds. 3 Elite and 3 Heavy.


Thanks, I really want to get no less than 8, it is a "How it looks on
the gamebord" thing.

> Translating Gundam into 40K sounds like an interesting project. What
> size Gundams do you use? the toys are 1/160th scale IIRC.

They are 1/144, about 4 inches high. Just the standard 12-18$ Cnd Kit
(probable 8-12$US or 5-10 English Pounds)

> Most gundams should have jump packs others cold get fleet of foot.
> Assuming you are treating them as Creatues and not machines. How are
> you using them? Is this an all mobile suit army?


Yes almost all mobile suit. I used the old Armored Company list and
using a bit of VDR. I had one model for HQ, 2 Elites with 1 model each
(1 model per squad based on Dreads Sandrock? Shamrock? the one with the
curvy blades), 4 squads of 10 infantry based on IG strom troopers
mounted in GI-Joe APCs, they looked the part too :) 6 models in 3 fast
choices with suped up engines (Tallgeese "1" models), and one model per
squad for two heavies (Serpent Customs) and a third Heavy Choice that I
do not recall the name. Generally I used Gundams that looked the part.
This was about four years ago and I got rid of them last year so I don't
recall the Stats details. I also tried using straight VDR with Lances
of four models per Lance. I also tried the old Armored Fist list, that
one was fun, I did not try the new one.

It was a lot of fun in all aspects, building, composing, analyzing and
comparing stats, and by far the cheapest of all my armies. I stayed
away from Tau because I already have them as a Crisis Suit heavy army (I
try to minimze repeat squads in my armies; for example I don't take
Necron Scarabs because I have Ripper Swarms, I don't use Tau Stealth
suits because I have DE Scourges type of things).

With all such experiments, I go for looks first and then try to fit
points/lists appropriately.

> Or treat them right and sue the superhevy rules for the small titans.
> a 1/60th scale looks around 20mm juding by the pilot figure in Freedom
> Gundam.
> Turhtfully I'd love to find something that has a better feel for Giant
> Robots than Battletech.


Hence the Tripod army, they stand at around 4 1/2 inches high and my
FirePrism is as high as a monolith (but nowhere as bulky). They (Tripod
army and Gundam) look fabulous on the table, you have instances of tanks
hiding behind area terrain trees or ruins with a Mech looming over on
the other side. Visually very exciting.

Damn, I'm going to have to revive them.

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Myrmidon wrote:
> Besides, how could Stephen pass up a joke that gouda?

I toyed with using Gouda, Provolone and Brie before settling on Edam. Brie
gave me horrible visions of the Hobbit Eldar, shorter and hairier versions
of their effeminate brethren.

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Mario wrote:
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> Desert Lurker wrote:
>
>> For the tripods use Marines and take them as Dreds. with "heed the
>> wisdom of the ancients" you can take 6 dreds. 3 Elite and 3 Heavy.
>
>
>
> Thanks, I really want to get no less than 8, it is a "How it looks on
> the gamebord" thing.

Hm. well space Wolfs get HQ dreads so there's your 8. Not quite right
rules wise but pretty close.

>> Translating Gundam into 40K sounds like an interesting project. What
>> size Gundams do you use? the toys are 1/160th scale IIRC.
>
>
> They are 1/144, about 4 inches high. Just the standard 12-18$ Cnd Kit
> (probable 8-12$US or 5-10 English Pounds)

Hmm will have to measeure my 1/144 RX-78

>> Most gundams should have jump packs others cold get fleet of foot.
>> Assuming you are treating them as Creatues and not machines. How are
>> you using them? Is this an all mobile suit army?
>
>
>
> Yes almost all mobile suit. I used the old Armored Company list and
> using a bit of VDR. I had one model for HQ, 2 Elites with 1 model each
> (1 model per squad based on Dreads Sandrock? Shamrock? the one with the
> curvy blades),

>4 squads of 10 infantry based on IG strom troopers
> mounted in GI-Joe APCs, they looked the part too :)

Because WISIWYG is Important.

>6 models in 3 fast
> choices with suped up engines (Tallgeese "1" models), and one model per
> squad for two heavies (Serpent Customs) and a third Heavy Choice that I
> do not recall the name. Generally I used Gundams that looked the part.
> This was about four years ago and I got rid of them last year so I don't
> recall the Stats details. I also tried using straight VDR with Lances
> of four models per Lance. I also tried the old Armored Fist list, that
> one was fun, I did not try the new one.

Ah, Gundam Wing I had forgottne about that show. Seen any Gundam SEED?

> It was a lot of fun in all aspects, building, composing, analyzing and
> comparing stats, and by far the cheapest of all my armies. I stayed
> away from Tau because I already have them as a Crisis Suit heavy army (I
> try to minimze repeat squads in my armies; for example I don't take
> Necron Scarabs because I have Ripper Swarms, I don't use Tau Stealth
> suits because I have DE Scourges type of things).
>
> With all such experiments, I go for looks first and then try to fit
> points/lists appropriately.

I can understand that. Still the crisis suits are pretty bad...
>> Or treat them right and sue the superhevy rules for the small titans.
>> a 1/60th scale looks around 20mm juding by the pilot figure in Freedom
>> Gundam.
>> Turhtfully I'd love to find something that has a better feel for Giant
>> Robots than Battletech.
>
>
>
> Hence the Tripod army, they stand at around 4 1/2 inches high and my
> FirePrism is as high as a monolith (but nowhere as bulky). They (Tripod
> army and Gundam) look fabulous on the table, you have instances of tanks
> hiding behind area terrain trees or ruins with a Mech looming over on
> the other side. Visually very exciting.
>
> Damn, I'm going to have to revive them.
>

Good Luck. Let me know if I can help.

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"Mario" <mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> Which Craftworld allows the highest number of Wraitlords. What is that
> number and what force org was tweaked to allow this?

You know what, you might just be able to manage 6. Take any Craftworld or
regular Eldar with 3 WLs as Heavy Support (or Troops for Iyanden), and then
using the Harlequins list that has WLs (the list that should never has seen
the light of day) take 3 Harly WLs as Elites. Expect to be hit/penetrated
with bats, pieces of 2x4, dairy produce, and sharp instruments.

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> You know what, you might just be able to manage 6. Take any Craftworld or
> regular Eldar with 3 WLs as Heavy Support (or Troops for Iyanden),
and then
> using the Harlequins list that has WLs (the list that should never
has seen the
> light of day) take 3 Harly WLs as Elites.
>
> Dan

Ah! the old phantom Harlequin list. Where can I get hold of it?
 
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In article <VGERe.252275$on1.173015@clgrps13>, Mario,
mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca Varfed out the following in Timo speak...
>
<snippage>
>
> It was a lot of fun in all aspects, building, composing, analyzing and
> comparing stats, and by far the cheapest of all my armies. I stayed
> away from Tau because I already have them as a Crisis Suit heavy army (I
> try to minimze repeat squads in my armies; for example I don't take
> Necron Scarabs because I have Ripper Swarms, I don't use Tau Stealth
> suits because I have DE Scourges type of things).
>
> With all such experiments, I go for looks first and then try to fit
> points/lists appropriately.
>
>
> Hence the Tripod army, they stand at around 4 1/2 inches high and my
> FirePrism is as high as a monolith (but nowhere as bulky). They (Tripod
> army and Gundam) look fabulous on the table, you have instances of tanks
> hiding behind area terrain trees or ruins with a Mech looming over on
> the other side. Visually very exciting.
>
> Damn, I'm going to have to revive them.


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"Mario" <mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca> wrote in message
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> > You know what, you might just be able to manage 6. Take any Craftworld
> > or
> > regular Eldar with 3 WLs as Heavy Support (or Troops for Iyanden),
> and then
> > using the Harlequins list that has WLs (the list that should never
> has seen the
> > light of day) take 3 Harly WLs as Elites.
> >
> > Dan
>
> Ah! the old phantom Harlequin list. Where can I get hold of it?

Google is your friend. But I've got a link so I'll save you the trouble ;)

CJ44 list here:

http://hem.passagen.se/tunih/W40KStoryandNecronSite/Harlequins/harlquin.htm



And the revision from Rasmus:

http://www.40konline.com/community/index.php/topic,54897.0.html

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Spack wrote:
> "Mario" <mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca> wrote ...
>>Which Craftworld allows the highest number of Wraitlords. What is that
>>number and what force org was tweaked to allow this?
>
> You know what, you might just be able to manage 6. Take any Craftworld or
> regular Eldar with 3 WLs as Heavy Support (or Troops for Iyanden), and then
> using the Harlequins list that has WLs (the list that should never has seen
> the light of day) take 3 Harly WLs as Elites.

No-Go. The Harlie WLs are an unofficial extenstion to an unofficial list.


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> Spack wrote:
>> "Mario" <mtambay@mtroyal.ab.ca> wrote ...
>>>Which Craftworld allows the highest number of Wraitlords. What is that
>>>number and what force org was tweaked to allow this?
>>
>> You know what, you might just be able to manage 6. Take any Craftworld or
>> regular Eldar with 3 WLs as Heavy Support (or Troops for Iyanden), and
>> then using the Harlequins list that has WLs (the list that should never
>> has seen the light of day) take 3 Harly WLs as Elites.
>
> No-Go. The Harlie WLs are an unofficial extenstion to an unofficial list.

It's has a better chance of being accepted by an opponent that the 3rd ed
BBB Iyanden list.

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Spack wrote:
> "John Hwang" <JohnHwangCSI@cs.com.no.com> wrote ...

>>No-Go. The Harlie WLs are an unofficial extenstion to an unofficial list.
>
> It's has a better chance of being accepted by an opponent that the 3rd ed
> BBB Iyanden list.

Hard to say. BBB Iyanden was actually *LEGAL* at one point in time.
IIRC, The Harlie WL list has never been legal.

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