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Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what did it cost?
Thanks...
 
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Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny exact
restorations.

Dave

efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
> Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what did it cost?
> Thanks...
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Another EM ruined by clearcoat.


David Schulpius wrote:
> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny exact
> restorations.
>
> Dave
>
> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what did it cost?
> > Thanks...
> >
 
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Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol' tirade. I got
the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the before pics
and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody who's seen
my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays great. Again, I have
no problem with collectors who demand original condition but I believe
restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and materials is a
growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists". I've even had
some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what it would fetch
and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and get huge
enjoyment out of it.

I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts the market will
pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the high cost of
MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over original and worn. I
know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the rest of the
machine to match the lovely pf).

GRY

<eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
>
>
> David Schulpius wrote:
>> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny exact
>> restorations.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
>> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what did it cost?
>> > Thanks...
>> >
>
 
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Your El Dorado being "beautiful and gorgeous" is a matter of your
opinion, to me it looks like a cartoon covered in shiny plastic. I'm
glad you like it, I really am, but it is a poor example of
"restoration". Even a cursory look at those pictures show you overdid
every aspect of the "touch ups", using the wrong colors and destoying
the original detail with sloppy painting. Go ahead and put it on ebay,
make sure you include the close ups. No one will pay what you think.

Your "lovely playfield" is a joke.





Ceegary wrote:
> Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol' tirade. I got
> the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the before pics
> and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody who's seen
> my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays great. Again, I have
> no problem with collectors who demand original condition but I believe
> restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and materials is a
> growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists". I've even had
> some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what it would fetch
> and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and get huge
> enjoyment out of it.
>
> I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts the market will
> pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the high cost of
> MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over original and worn. I
> know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the rest of the
> machine to match the lovely pf).
>
> GRY
>
> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1118490322.349419.118890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
> >
> >
> > David Schulpius wrote:
> >> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny exact
> >> restorations.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
> >> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what did it cost?
> >> > Thanks...
> >> >
> >
 
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I just took a second look at your pictures, and I stand by my position,
you did not "resuce" that machine, you ruined it.

There is absoltutely no significant wear, peeling or flaking on that
PF. You mistake 30 years of dirt for "fading". So as result, you chose
to overpaint the entire PF with very amateur results. A proper
cleaning, waxing and buffing would have restored that PF beautifully.
Then you pored that goop all over it.

I restore and collect nothing but EM's, and fully recognize the
condition of that machine and the excellent results you COULD have
obtained had you not been so hell bent on "rescuing" it. Too bad.



Ceegary wrote:
> Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol' tirade. I got
> the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the before pics
> and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody who's seen
> my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays great. Again, I have
> no problem with collectors who demand original condition but I believe
> restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and materials is a
> growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists". I've even had
> some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what it would fetch
> and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and get huge
> enjoyment out of it.
>
> I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts the market will
> pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the high cost of
> MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over original and worn. I
> know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the rest of the
> machine to match the lovely pf).
>
> GRY
>
> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1118490322.349419.118890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
> >
> >
> > David Schulpius wrote:
> >> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny exact
> >> restorations.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
> >> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what did it cost?
> >> > Thanks...
> >> >
> >
 
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I will qualify my position on your machine by saying you I agree with
everything you did (nice cabinet paint job!), until you ruined the
playfield.

eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com wrote:
> Your El Dorado being "beautiful and gorgeous" is a matter of your
> opinion, to me it looks like a cartoon covered in shiny plastic. I'm
> glad you like it, I really am, but it is a poor example of
> "restoration". Even a cursory look at those pictures show you overdid
> every aspect of the "touch ups", using the wrong colors and destoying
> the original detail with sloppy painting. Go ahead and put it on ebay,
> make sure you include the close ups. No one will pay what you think.
>
> Your "lovely playfield" is a joke.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ceegary wrote:
> > Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol' tirade. I got
> > the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the before pics
> > and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody who's seen
> > my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays great. Again, I have
> > no problem with collectors who demand original condition but I believe
> > restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and materials is a
> > growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists". I've even had
> > some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what it would fetch
> > and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and get huge
> > enjoyment out of it.
> >
> > I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts the market will
> > pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the high cost of
> > MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over original and worn. I
> > know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the rest of the
> > machine to match the lovely pf).
> >
> > GRY
> >
> > <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1118490322.349419.118890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
> > >
> > >
> > > David Schulpius wrote:
> > >> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny exact
> > >> restorations.
> > >>
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
> > >> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what did it cost?
> > >> > Thanks...
> > >> >
> > >
 
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In the end, so what? It's his game to do with what he wants. If he sells
it's up to the buyer to determine it's worth. There are plenty others to
give to the Smithsonian :)

eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com wrote:
> I just took a second look at your pictures, and I stand by my position,
> you did not "resuce" that machine, you ruined it.
>
> There is absoltutely no significant wear, peeling or flaking on that
> PF. You mistake 30 years of dirt for "fading". So as result, you chose
> to overpaint the entire PF with very amateur results. A proper
> cleaning, waxing and buffing would have restored that PF beautifully.
> Then you pored that goop all over it.
>
> I restore and collect nothing but EM's, and fully recognize the
> condition of that machine and the excellent results you COULD have
> obtained had you not been so hell bent on "rescuing" it. Too bad.


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Actually, Mr. wise and almighty EM restorer...uh sir, those pics were taken
before cleaning, which was my original intention for the pf, however on
cleaning there was substantial flaking and chipped paint with bare wood
showing but my camera was on the fritz and I don't have any pics of it. At
the time I was more intent on fixing the game rather than proving anything.
You probably wouldn't recognise the right colors because you seem to not be
able to guess what they looked like originally, my purple for eg as most had
faded out to a dirty brown. Even the purple on the plastics had faded to
brown, quite a comparison to the repro set. However the original unfaded and
unblemished colors were under the wood side rails and that's what the colors
were matched to.

Poring would be a very bad way to apply clearcoat but I think poring bile is
a good way to describe your obnoxious obessesion with your characterization
of other people's work that doesn't fit your narrow concept of what's
acceptable. I highly doubt you have any restoration talents yourself as
judging from your moniker you've only just learned how to count. Now go to
sleep, it's past your bedtime and don't forget your warm milk.

GRY

<eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118542064.174746.36140@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I just took a second look at your pictures, and I stand by my position,
> you did not "resuce" that machine, you ruined it.
>
> There is absoltutely no significant wear, peeling or flaking on that
> PF. You mistake 30 years of dirt for "fading". So as result, you chose
> to overpaint the entire PF with very amateur results. A proper
> cleaning, waxing and buffing would have restored that PF beautifully.
> Then you pored that goop all over it.
>
> I restore and collect nothing but EM's, and fully recognize the
> condition of that machine and the excellent results you COULD have
> obtained had you not been so hell bent on "rescuing" it. Too bad.
>
>
>
> Ceegary wrote:
>> Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol' tirade. I
>> got
>> the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the before pics
>> and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody who's seen
>> my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays great. Again, I
>> have
>> no problem with collectors who demand original condition but I believe
>> restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and materials is a
>> growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists". I've even had
>> some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what it would
>> fetch
>> and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and get huge
>> enjoyment out of it.
>>
>> I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts the market
>> will
>> pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the high cost
>> of
>> MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over original and worn.
>> I
>> know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the rest of the
>> machine to match the lovely pf).
>>
>> GRY
>>
>> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1118490322.349419.118890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
>> >
>> >
>> > David Schulpius wrote:
>> >> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny exact
>> >> restorations.
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what did it
>> >> > cost?
>> >> > Thanks...
>> >> >
>> >
>
 
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I have no obsession with other peoples work, it's you who have placed
yourself up on a pedestal. You perform one "rescue" and have self
appointed yourself the god of restoration. For your information, I have
owned 3 El Dorados. And your colors are all wrong. You're so blind you
can't even see that they no longer match the plastics (which are
correct).

With any luck your skills at obtaining machines is as poor as your
restoration technique, or at least proportional to your "painting"
skills, saving any more machines from a "restoration" at the hands of a
total hack.

I've seen childrens coloring books more accurately crayoned then your
paint job.

You should pack your ego away until some time in the distant future
when perhaps your skill level might justify it.



Ceegary wrote:
> Actually, Mr. wise and almighty EM restorer...uh sir, those pics were taken
> before cleaning, which was my original intention for the pf, however on
> cleaning there was substantial flaking and chipped paint with bare wood
> showing but my camera was on the fritz and I don't have any pics of it. At
> the time I was more intent on fixing the game rather than proving anything.
> You probably wouldn't recognise the right colors because you seem to not be
> able to guess what they looked like originally, my purple for eg as most had
> faded out to a dirty brown. Even the purple on the plastics had faded to
> brown, quite a comparison to the repro set. However the original unfaded and
> unblemished colors were under the wood side rails and that's what the colors
> were matched to.
>
> Poring would be a very bad way to apply clearcoat but I think poring bile is
> a good way to describe your obnoxious obessesion with your characterization
> of other people's work that doesn't fit your narrow concept of what's
> acceptable. I highly doubt you have any restoration talents yourself as
> judging from your moniker you've only just learned how to count. Now go to
> sleep, it's past your bedtime and don't forget your warm milk.
>
> GRY
>
> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1118542064.174746.36140@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >I just took a second look at your pictures, and I stand by my position,
> > you did not "resuce" that machine, you ruined it.
> >
> > There is absoltutely no significant wear, peeling or flaking on that
> > PF. You mistake 30 years of dirt for "fading". So as result, you chose
> > to overpaint the entire PF with very amateur results. A proper
> > cleaning, waxing and buffing would have restored that PF beautifully.
> > Then you pored that goop all over it.
> >
> > I restore and collect nothing but EM's, and fully recognize the
> > condition of that machine and the excellent results you COULD have
> > obtained had you not been so hell bent on "rescuing" it. Too bad.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol' tirade. I
> >> got
> >> the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the before pics
> >> and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody who's seen
> >> my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays great. Again, I
> >> have
> >> no problem with collectors who demand original condition but I believe
> >> restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and materials is a
> >> growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists". I've even had
> >> some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what it would
> >> fetch
> >> and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and get huge
> >> enjoyment out of it.
> >>
> >> I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts the market
> >> will
> >> pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the high cost
> >> of
> >> MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over original and worn.
> >> I
> >> know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the rest of the
> >> machine to match the lovely pf).
> >>
> >> GRY
> >>
> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1118490322.349419.118890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > David Schulpius wrote:
> >> >> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny exact
> >> >> restorations.
> >> >>
> >> >> Dave
> >> >>
> >> >> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what did it
> >> >> > cost?
> >> >> > Thanks...
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >
 
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I place myself nowhere but a hobbyist. I object to you repeptitive rancid
comments is all.

GRY

<eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118579427.760898.160460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>I have no obsession with other peoples work, it's you who have placed
> yourself up on a pedestal. You perform one "rescue" and have self
> appointed yourself the god of restoration. For your information, I have
> owned 3 El Dorados. And your colors are all wrong. You're so blind you
> can't even see that they no longer match the plastics (which are
> correct).
>
> With any luck your skills at obtaining machines is as poor as your
> restoration technique, or at least proportional to your "painting"
> skills, saving any more machines from a "restoration" at the hands of a
> total hack.
>
> I've seen childrens coloring books more accurately crayoned then your
> paint job.
>
> You should pack your ego away until some time in the distant future
> when perhaps your skill level might justify it.
>
>
>
> Ceegary wrote:
>> Actually, Mr. wise and almighty EM restorer...uh sir, those pics were
>> taken
>> before cleaning, which was my original intention for the pf, however on
>> cleaning there was substantial flaking and chipped paint with bare wood
>> showing but my camera was on the fritz and I don't have any pics of it.
>> At
>> the time I was more intent on fixing the game rather than proving
>> anything.
>> You probably wouldn't recognise the right colors because you seem to not
>> be
>> able to guess what they looked like originally, my purple for eg as most
>> had
>> faded out to a dirty brown. Even the purple on the plastics had faded to
>> brown, quite a comparison to the repro set. However the original unfaded
>> and
>> unblemished colors were under the wood side rails and that's what the
>> colors
>> were matched to.
>>
>> Poring would be a very bad way to apply clearcoat but I think poring bile
>> is
>> a good way to describe your obnoxious obessesion with your
>> characterization
>> of other people's work that doesn't fit your narrow concept of what's
>> acceptable. I highly doubt you have any restoration talents yourself as
>> judging from your moniker you've only just learned how to count. Now go
>> to
>> sleep, it's past your bedtime and don't forget your warm milk.
>>
>> GRY
>>
>> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1118542064.174746.36140@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >I just took a second look at your pictures, and I stand by my position,
>> > you did not "resuce" that machine, you ruined it.
>> >
>> > There is absoltutely no significant wear, peeling or flaking on that
>> > PF. You mistake 30 years of dirt for "fading". So as result, you chose
>> > to overpaint the entire PF with very amateur results. A proper
>> > cleaning, waxing and buffing would have restored that PF beautifully.
>> > Then you pored that goop all over it.
>> >
>> > I restore and collect nothing but EM's, and fully recognize the
>> > condition of that machine and the excellent results you COULD have
>> > obtained had you not been so hell bent on "rescuing" it. Too bad.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ceegary wrote:
>> >> Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol' tirade. I
>> >> got
>> >> the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the before
>> >> pics
>> >> and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody who's seen
>> >> my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays great. Again,
>> >> I
>> >> have
>> >> no problem with collectors who demand original condition but I believe
>> >> restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and materials is a
>> >> growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists". I've even
>> >> had
>> >> some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what it would
>> >> fetch
>> >> and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and get huge
>> >> enjoyment out of it.
>> >>
>> >> I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts the market
>> >> will
>> >> pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the high
>> >> cost
>> >> of
>> >> MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over original and
>> >> worn.
>> >> I
>> >> know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the rest of
>> >> the
>> >> machine to match the lovely pf).
>> >>
>> >> GRY
>> >>
>> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1118490322.349419.118890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > David Schulpius wrote:
>> >> >> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny exact
>> >> >> restorations.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dave
>> >> >>
>> >> >> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what did it
>> >> >> > cost?
>> >> >> > Thanks...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>
 
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There is nothing "rancid" about my comments, you initiated this and
evidently you can't stand the truth.

Another indication that your "restoration" is inadequate, is your
changing to the high tap on the transformer. If you properly rebuilt
the flippers, kickers and pop bumpers you would find no need to do
that. That includes coil sleeves, springs, bushings and most important
the flipper and kicker links. And usually new coil stops. But I can see
from your old parts you replaced very little, and certainly no links.



Ceegary wrote:
> I place myself nowhere but a hobbyist. I object to you repeptitive rancid
> comments is all.
>
> GRY
>
> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1118579427.760898.160460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >I have no obsession with other peoples work, it's you who have placed
> > yourself up on a pedestal. You perform one "rescue" and have self
> > appointed yourself the god of restoration. For your information, I have
> > owned 3 El Dorados. And your colors are all wrong. You're so blind you
> > can't even see that they no longer match the plastics (which are
> > correct).
> >
> > With any luck your skills at obtaining machines is as poor as your
> > restoration technique, or at least proportional to your "painting"
> > skills, saving any more machines from a "restoration" at the hands of a
> > total hack.
> >
> > I've seen childrens coloring books more accurately crayoned then your
> > paint job.
> >
> > You should pack your ego away until some time in the distant future
> > when perhaps your skill level might justify it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> Actually, Mr. wise and almighty EM restorer...uh sir, those pics were
> >> taken
> >> before cleaning, which was my original intention for the pf, however on
> >> cleaning there was substantial flaking and chipped paint with bare wood
> >> showing but my camera was on the fritz and I don't have any pics of it.
> >> At
> >> the time I was more intent on fixing the game rather than proving
> >> anything.
> >> You probably wouldn't recognise the right colors because you seem to not
> >> be
> >> able to guess what they looked like originally, my purple for eg as most
> >> had
> >> faded out to a dirty brown. Even the purple on the plastics had faded to
> >> brown, quite a comparison to the repro set. However the original unfaded
> >> and
> >> unblemished colors were under the wood side rails and that's what the
> >> colors
> >> were matched to.
> >>
> >> Poring would be a very bad way to apply clearcoat but I think poring bile
> >> is
> >> a good way to describe your obnoxious obessesion with your
> >> characterization
> >> of other people's work that doesn't fit your narrow concept of what's
> >> acceptable. I highly doubt you have any restoration talents yourself as
> >> judging from your moniker you've only just learned how to count. Now go
> >> to
> >> sleep, it's past your bedtime and don't forget your warm milk.
> >>
> >> GRY
> >>
> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1118542064.174746.36140@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> >I just took a second look at your pictures, and I stand by my position,
> >> > you did not "resuce" that machine, you ruined it.
> >> >
> >> > There is absoltutely no significant wear, peeling or flaking on that
> >> > PF. You mistake 30 years of dirt for "fading". So as result, you chose
> >> > to overpaint the entire PF with very amateur results. A proper
> >> > cleaning, waxing and buffing would have restored that PF beautifully.
> >> > Then you pored that goop all over it.
> >> >
> >> > I restore and collect nothing but EM's, and fully recognize the
> >> > condition of that machine and the excellent results you COULD have
> >> > obtained had you not been so hell bent on "rescuing" it. Too bad.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> >> Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol' tirade. I
> >> >> got
> >> >> the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the before
> >> >> pics
> >> >> and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody who's seen
> >> >> my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays great. Again,
> >> >> I
> >> >> have
> >> >> no problem with collectors who demand original condition but I believe
> >> >> restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and materials is a
> >> >> growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists". I've even
> >> >> had
> >> >> some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what it would
> >> >> fetch
> >> >> and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and get huge
> >> >> enjoyment out of it.
> >> >>
> >> >> I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts the market
> >> >> will
> >> >> pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the high
> >> >> cost
> >> >> of
> >> >> MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over original and
> >> >> worn.
> >> >> I
> >> >> know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the rest of
> >> >> the
> >> >> machine to match the lovely pf).
> >> >>
> >> >> GRY
> >> >>
> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1118490322.349419.118890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> > Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > David Schulpius wrote:
> >> >> >> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny exact
> >> >> >> restorations.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Dave
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what did it
> >> >> >> > cost?
> >> >> >> > Thanks...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >
 
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Ceegary wrote:
> those pics were taken
> before cleaning

Well, I'll stay out of the insults, but before pictures taken before a
cleaning really don't show the true condition of a machine. I've seen
dozens of threads here where everyone oohs and ahhs over the after
pics, but there weren't proper before pics to compare them to.

I'm not any better myself. It's a rare day when I actually take the
time to photograph a machine before I tinker with it and clean it, and
I sure as heck don't pause during the process after the PF is clean to
take "original condition" photos.

If your El Dorado was flaking as badly as you said, then maybe what you
need was necessary. However, given the condition in the before photos,
I would have never repainted and cleared. (but again, that's assuming
the paint wasn't falling off)

I really err on the side of caution with EMs. They're older than I am
and they've survived a lot better. It's not my place to permanently
alter them.
 
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Your presumptions, as with most everything else are incorrect.

GRY

<eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118592998.905224.31590@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> There is nothing "rancid" about my comments, you initiated this and
> evidently you can't stand the truth.
>
> Another indication that your "restoration" is inadequate, is your
> changing to the high tap on the transformer. If you properly rebuilt
> the flippers, kickers and pop bumpers you would find no need to do
> that. That includes coil sleeves, springs, bushings and most important
> the flipper and kicker links. And usually new coil stops. But I can see
> from your old parts you replaced very little, and certainly no links.
>
>
>
> Ceegary wrote:
>> I place myself nowhere but a hobbyist. I object to you repeptitive rancid
>> comments is all.
>>
>> GRY
>>
>> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1118579427.760898.160460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >I have no obsession with other peoples work, it's you who have placed
>> > yourself up on a pedestal. You perform one "rescue" and have self
>> > appointed yourself the god of restoration. For your information, I have
>> > owned 3 El Dorados. And your colors are all wrong. You're so blind you
>> > can't even see that they no longer match the plastics (which are
>> > correct).
>> >
>> > With any luck your skills at obtaining machines is as poor as your
>> > restoration technique, or at least proportional to your "painting"
>> > skills, saving any more machines from a "restoration" at the hands of a
>> > total hack.
>> >
>> > I've seen childrens coloring books more accurately crayoned then your
>> > paint job.
>> >
>> > You should pack your ego away until some time in the distant future
>> > when perhaps your skill level might justify it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ceegary wrote:
>> >> Actually, Mr. wise and almighty EM restorer...uh sir, those pics were
>> >> taken
>> >> before cleaning, which was my original intention for the pf, however
>> >> on
>> >> cleaning there was substantial flaking and chipped paint with bare
>> >> wood
>> >> showing but my camera was on the fritz and I don't have any pics of
>> >> it.
>> >> At
>> >> the time I was more intent on fixing the game rather than proving
>> >> anything.
>> >> You probably wouldn't recognise the right colors because you seem to
>> >> not
>> >> be
>> >> able to guess what they looked like originally, my purple for eg as
>> >> most
>> >> had
>> >> faded out to a dirty brown. Even the purple on the plastics had faded
>> >> to
>> >> brown, quite a comparison to the repro set. However the original
>> >> unfaded
>> >> and
>> >> unblemished colors were under the wood side rails and that's what the
>> >> colors
>> >> were matched to.
>> >>
>> >> Poring would be a very bad way to apply clearcoat but I think poring
>> >> bile
>> >> is
>> >> a good way to describe your obnoxious obessesion with your
>> >> characterization
>> >> of other people's work that doesn't fit your narrow concept of what's
>> >> acceptable. I highly doubt you have any restoration talents yourself
>> >> as
>> >> judging from your moniker you've only just learned how to count. Now
>> >> go
>> >> to
>> >> sleep, it's past your bedtime and don't forget your warm milk.
>> >>
>> >> GRY
>> >>
>> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1118542064.174746.36140@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >I just took a second look at your pictures, and I stand by my
>> >> >position,
>> >> > you did not "resuce" that machine, you ruined it.
>> >> >
>> >> > There is absoltutely no significant wear, peeling or flaking on that
>> >> > PF. You mistake 30 years of dirt for "fading". So as result, you
>> >> > chose
>> >> > to overpaint the entire PF with very amateur results. A proper
>> >> > cleaning, waxing and buffing would have restored that PF
>> >> > beautifully.
>> >> > Then you pored that goop all over it.
>> >> >
>> >> > I restore and collect nothing but EM's, and fully recognize the
>> >> > condition of that machine and the excellent results you COULD have
>> >> > obtained had you not been so hell bent on "rescuing" it. Too bad.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Ceegary wrote:
>> >> >> Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol'
>> >> >> tirade. I
>> >> >> got
>> >> >> the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the
>> >> >> before
>> >> >> pics
>> >> >> and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody who's
>> >> >> seen
>> >> >> my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays great.
>> >> >> Again,
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> no problem with collectors who demand original condition but I
>> >> >> believe
>> >> >> restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and materials is
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists". I've
>> >> >> even
>> >> >> had
>> >> >> some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what it
>> >> >> would
>> >> >> fetch
>> >> >> and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and get huge
>> >> >> enjoyment out of it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts the
>> >> >> market
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the high
>> >> >> cost
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over original and
>> >> >> worn.
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the rest
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> machine to match the lovely pf).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> GRY
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:1118490322.349419.118890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> > Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > David Schulpius wrote:
>> >> >> >> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny exact
>> >> >> >> restorations.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Dave
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what did
>> >> >> >> > it
>> >> >> >> > cost?
>> >> >> >> > Thanks...
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>
 
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Let's just hope you don't get your hands on a woodrail.



Ceegary wrote:
> Your presumptions, as with most everything else are incorrect.
>
> GRY
>
> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1118592998.905224.31590@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > There is nothing "rancid" about my comments, you initiated this and
> > evidently you can't stand the truth.
> >
> > Another indication that your "restoration" is inadequate, is your
> > changing to the high tap on the transformer. If you properly rebuilt
> > the flippers, kickers and pop bumpers you would find no need to do
> > that. That includes coil sleeves, springs, bushings and most important
> > the flipper and kicker links. And usually new coil stops. But I can see
> > from your old parts you replaced very little, and certainly no links.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> I place myself nowhere but a hobbyist. I object to you repeptitive rancid
> >> comments is all.
> >>
> >> GRY
> >>
> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1118579427.760898.160460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> >I have no obsession with other peoples work, it's you who have placed
> >> > yourself up on a pedestal. You perform one "rescue" and have self
> >> > appointed yourself the god of restoration. For your information, I have
> >> > owned 3 El Dorados. And your colors are all wrong. You're so blind you
> >> > can't even see that they no longer match the plastics (which are
> >> > correct).
> >> >
> >> > With any luck your skills at obtaining machines is as poor as your
> >> > restoration technique, or at least proportional to your "painting"
> >> > skills, saving any more machines from a "restoration" at the hands of a
> >> > total hack.
> >> >
> >> > I've seen childrens coloring books more accurately crayoned then your
> >> > paint job.
> >> >
> >> > You should pack your ego away until some time in the distant future
> >> > when perhaps your skill level might justify it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> >> Actually, Mr. wise and almighty EM restorer...uh sir, those pics were
> >> >> taken
> >> >> before cleaning, which was my original intention for the pf, however
> >> >> on
> >> >> cleaning there was substantial flaking and chipped paint with bare
> >> >> wood
> >> >> showing but my camera was on the fritz and I don't have any pics of
> >> >> it.
> >> >> At
> >> >> the time I was more intent on fixing the game rather than proving
> >> >> anything.
> >> >> You probably wouldn't recognise the right colors because you seem to
> >> >> not
> >> >> be
> >> >> able to guess what they looked like originally, my purple for eg as
> >> >> most
> >> >> had
> >> >> faded out to a dirty brown. Even the purple on the plastics had faded
> >> >> to
> >> >> brown, quite a comparison to the repro set. However the original
> >> >> unfaded
> >> >> and
> >> >> unblemished colors were under the wood side rails and that's what the
> >> >> colors
> >> >> were matched to.
> >> >>
> >> >> Poring would be a very bad way to apply clearcoat but I think poring
> >> >> bile
> >> >> is
> >> >> a good way to describe your obnoxious obessesion with your
> >> >> characterization
> >> >> of other people's work that doesn't fit your narrow concept of what's
> >> >> acceptable. I highly doubt you have any restoration talents yourself
> >> >> as
> >> >> judging from your moniker you've only just learned how to count. Now
> >> >> go
> >> >> to
> >> >> sleep, it's past your bedtime and don't forget your warm milk.
> >> >>
> >> >> GRY
> >> >>
> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1118542064.174746.36140@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >I just took a second look at your pictures, and I stand by my
> >> >> >position,
> >> >> > you did not "resuce" that machine, you ruined it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There is absoltutely no significant wear, peeling or flaking on that
> >> >> > PF. You mistake 30 years of dirt for "fading". So as result, you
> >> >> > chose
> >> >> > to overpaint the entire PF with very amateur results. A proper
> >> >> > cleaning, waxing and buffing would have restored that PF
> >> >> > beautifully.
> >> >> > Then you pored that goop all over it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I restore and collect nothing but EM's, and fully recognize the
> >> >> > condition of that machine and the excellent results you COULD have
> >> >> > obtained had you not been so hell bent on "rescuing" it. Too bad.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> >> >> Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol'
> >> >> >> tirade. I
> >> >> >> got
> >> >> >> the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the
> >> >> >> before
> >> >> >> pics
> >> >> >> and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody who's
> >> >> >> seen
> >> >> >> my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays great.
> >> >> >> Again,
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> no problem with collectors who demand original condition but I
> >> >> >> believe
> >> >> >> restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and materials is
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists". I've
> >> >> >> even
> >> >> >> had
> >> >> >> some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what it
> >> >> >> would
> >> >> >> fetch
> >> >> >> and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and get huge
> >> >> >> enjoyment out of it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts the
> >> >> >> market
> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the high
> >> >> >> cost
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over original and
> >> >> >> worn.
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the rest
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> machine to match the lovely pf).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> GRY
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:1118490322.349419.118890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >> > Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > David Schulpius wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny exact
> >> >> >> >> restorations.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Dave
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what did
> >> >> >> >> > it
> >> >> >> >> > cost?
> >> >> >> >> > Thanks...
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >
 
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PR, $450 + shipping both ways. Yes the game was not gone, but if I
continued to play it, it would have been trashed. I have before pics
that I will post soon.

-Tom

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze8f4tt/tomstwilightzonepinballmachineaccessories/
 
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I'll be sure to check with you in the future if I decide to do anything to
one of my pins...Mr Someotherlurker@yahoo.com

GRY

<eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118620222.427177.325680@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Let's just hope you don't get your hands on a woodrail.
>
>
>
> Ceegary wrote:
>> Your presumptions, as with most everything else are incorrect.
>>
>> GRY
>>
>> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1118592998.905224.31590@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > There is nothing "rancid" about my comments, you initiated this and
>> > evidently you can't stand the truth.
>> >
>> > Another indication that your "restoration" is inadequate, is your
>> > changing to the high tap on the transformer. If you properly rebuilt
>> > the flippers, kickers and pop bumpers you would find no need to do
>> > that. That includes coil sleeves, springs, bushings and most important
>> > the flipper and kicker links. And usually new coil stops. But I can see
>> > from your old parts you replaced very little, and certainly no links.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ceegary wrote:
>> >> I place myself nowhere but a hobbyist. I object to you repeptitive
>> >> rancid
>> >> comments is all.
>> >>
>> >> GRY
>> >>
>> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1118579427.760898.160460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >I have no obsession with other peoples work, it's you who have placed
>> >> > yourself up on a pedestal. You perform one "rescue" and have self
>> >> > appointed yourself the god of restoration. For your information, I
>> >> > have
>> >> > owned 3 El Dorados. And your colors are all wrong. You're so blind
>> >> > you
>> >> > can't even see that they no longer match the plastics (which are
>> >> > correct).
>> >> >
>> >> > With any luck your skills at obtaining machines is as poor as your
>> >> > restoration technique, or at least proportional to your "painting"
>> >> > skills, saving any more machines from a "restoration" at the hands
>> >> > of a
>> >> > total hack.
>> >> >
>> >> > I've seen childrens coloring books more accurately crayoned then
>> >> > your
>> >> > paint job.
>> >> >
>> >> > You should pack your ego away until some time in the distant future
>> >> > when perhaps your skill level might justify it.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Ceegary wrote:
>> >> >> Actually, Mr. wise and almighty EM restorer...uh sir, those pics
>> >> >> were
>> >> >> taken
>> >> >> before cleaning, which was my original intention for the pf,
>> >> >> however
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> cleaning there was substantial flaking and chipped paint with bare
>> >> >> wood
>> >> >> showing but my camera was on the fritz and I don't have any pics of
>> >> >> it.
>> >> >> At
>> >> >> the time I was more intent on fixing the game rather than proving
>> >> >> anything.
>> >> >> You probably wouldn't recognise the right colors because you seem
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> able to guess what they looked like originally, my purple for eg as
>> >> >> most
>> >> >> had
>> >> >> faded out to a dirty brown. Even the purple on the plastics had
>> >> >> faded
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> brown, quite a comparison to the repro set. However the original
>> >> >> unfaded
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> unblemished colors were under the wood side rails and that's what
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> colors
>> >> >> were matched to.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Poring would be a very bad way to apply clearcoat but I think
>> >> >> poring
>> >> >> bile
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> a good way to describe your obnoxious obessesion with your
>> >> >> characterization
>> >> >> of other people's work that doesn't fit your narrow concept of
>> >> >> what's
>> >> >> acceptable. I highly doubt you have any restoration talents
>> >> >> yourself
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> judging from your moniker you've only just learned how to count.
>> >> >> Now
>> >> >> go
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> sleep, it's past your bedtime and don't forget your warm milk.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> GRY
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:1118542064.174746.36140@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >I just took a second look at your pictures, and I stand by my
>> >> >> >position,
>> >> >> > you did not "resuce" that machine, you ruined it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > There is absoltutely no significant wear, peeling or flaking on
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > PF. You mistake 30 years of dirt for "fading". So as result, you
>> >> >> > chose
>> >> >> > to overpaint the entire PF with very amateur results. A proper
>> >> >> > cleaning, waxing and buffing would have restored that PF
>> >> >> > beautifully.
>> >> >> > Then you pored that goop all over it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I restore and collect nothing but EM's, and fully recognize the
>> >> >> > condition of that machine and the excellent results you COULD
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > obtained had you not been so hell bent on "rescuing" it. Too bad.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Ceegary wrote:
>> >> >> >> Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol'
>> >> >> >> tirade. I
>> >> >> >> got
>> >> >> >> the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the
>> >> >> >> before
>> >> >> >> pics
>> >> >> >> and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody who's
>> >> >> >> seen
>> >> >> >> my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays great.
>> >> >> >> Again,
>> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> no problem with collectors who demand original condition but I
>> >> >> >> believe
>> >> >> >> restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and materials
>> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists". I've
>> >> >> >> even
>> >> >> >> had
>> >> >> >> some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what it
>> >> >> >> would
>> >> >> >> fetch
>> >> >> >> and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and get
>> >> >> >> huge
>> >> >> >> enjoyment out of it.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts the
>> >> >> >> market
>> >> >> >> will
>> >> >> >> pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the
>> >> >> >> high
>> >> >> >> cost
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over original
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> worn.
>> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the
>> >> >> >> rest
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> machine to match the lovely pf).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> GRY
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:1118490322.349419.118890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >> > Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > David Schulpius wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny
>> >> >> >> >> exact
>> >> >> >> >> restorations.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Dave
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what
>> >> >> >> >> > did
>> >> >> >> >> > it
>> >> >> >> >> > cost?
>> >> >> >> >> > Thanks...
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>
 
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No, just be sure not to brag here about your ham fisted work, and you
won't have to face the scrutiny.

Maybe you should stick to shameless self promotion, you're good at
getting your small name in the local papers. $50 per hour? You should
be paying clients just to get some experience.



Ceegary wrote:
> I'll be sure to check with you in the future if I decide to do anything to
> one of my pins...Mr Someotherlurker@yahoo.com
>
> GRY
>
> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1118620222.427177.325680@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Let's just hope you don't get your hands on a woodrail.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> Your presumptions, as with most everything else are incorrect.
> >>
> >> GRY
> >>
> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1118592998.905224.31590@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> > There is nothing "rancid" about my comments, you initiated this and
> >> > evidently you can't stand the truth.
> >> >
> >> > Another indication that your "restoration" is inadequate, is your
> >> > changing to the high tap on the transformer. If you properly rebuilt
> >> > the flippers, kickers and pop bumpers you would find no need to do
> >> > that. That includes coil sleeves, springs, bushings and most important
> >> > the flipper and kicker links. And usually new coil stops. But I can see
> >> > from your old parts you replaced very little, and certainly no links.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> >> I place myself nowhere but a hobbyist. I object to you repeptitive
> >> >> rancid
> >> >> comments is all.
> >> >>
> >> >> GRY
> >> >>
> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1118579427.760898.160460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >I have no obsession with other peoples work, it's you who have placed
> >> >> > yourself up on a pedestal. You perform one "rescue" and have self
> >> >> > appointed yourself the god of restoration. For your information, I
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > owned 3 El Dorados. And your colors are all wrong. You're so blind
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > can't even see that they no longer match the plastics (which are
> >> >> > correct).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > With any luck your skills at obtaining machines is as poor as your
> >> >> > restoration technique, or at least proportional to your "painting"
> >> >> > skills, saving any more machines from a "restoration" at the hands
> >> >> > of a
> >> >> > total hack.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've seen childrens coloring books more accurately crayoned then
> >> >> > your
> >> >> > paint job.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You should pack your ego away until some time in the distant future
> >> >> > when perhaps your skill level might justify it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> >> >> Actually, Mr. wise and almighty EM restorer...uh sir, those pics
> >> >> >> were
> >> >> >> taken
> >> >> >> before cleaning, which was my original intention for the pf,
> >> >> >> however
> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> cleaning there was substantial flaking and chipped paint with bare
> >> >> >> wood
> >> >> >> showing but my camera was on the fritz and I don't have any pics of
> >> >> >> it.
> >> >> >> At
> >> >> >> the time I was more intent on fixing the game rather than proving
> >> >> >> anything.
> >> >> >> You probably wouldn't recognise the right colors because you seem
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> able to guess what they looked like originally, my purple for eg as
> >> >> >> most
> >> >> >> had
> >> >> >> faded out to a dirty brown. Even the purple on the plastics had
> >> >> >> faded
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> brown, quite a comparison to the repro set. However the original
> >> >> >> unfaded
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> unblemished colors were under the wood side rails and that's what
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> colors
> >> >> >> were matched to.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Poring would be a very bad way to apply clearcoat but I think
> >> >> >> poring
> >> >> >> bile
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> a good way to describe your obnoxious obessesion with your
> >> >> >> characterization
> >> >> >> of other people's work that doesn't fit your narrow concept of
> >> >> >> what's
> >> >> >> acceptable. I highly doubt you have any restoration talents
> >> >> >> yourself
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> judging from your moniker you've only just learned how to count.
> >> >> >> Now
> >> >> >> go
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> sleep, it's past your bedtime and don't forget your warm milk.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> GRY
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:1118542064.174746.36140@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >> >I just took a second look at your pictures, and I stand by my
> >> >> >> >position,
> >> >> >> > you did not "resuce" that machine, you ruined it.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > There is absoltutely no significant wear, peeling or flaking on
> >> >> >> > that
> >> >> >> > PF. You mistake 30 years of dirt for "fading". So as result, you
> >> >> >> > chose
> >> >> >> > to overpaint the entire PF with very amateur results. A proper
> >> >> >> > cleaning, waxing and buffing would have restored that PF
> >> >> >> > beautifully.
> >> >> >> > Then you pored that goop all over it.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I restore and collect nothing but EM's, and fully recognize the
> >> >> >> > condition of that machine and the excellent results you COULD
> >> >> >> > have
> >> >> >> > obtained had you not been so hell bent on "rescuing" it. Too bad.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol'
> >> >> >> >> tirade. I
> >> >> >> >> got
> >> >> >> >> the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the
> >> >> >> >> before
> >> >> >> >> pics
> >> >> >> >> and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody who's
> >> >> >> >> seen
> >> >> >> >> my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays great.
> >> >> >> >> Again,
> >> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> no problem with collectors who demand original condition but I
> >> >> >> >> believe
> >> >> >> >> restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and materials
> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists". I've
> >> >> >> >> even
> >> >> >> >> had
> >> >> >> >> some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what it
> >> >> >> >> would
> >> >> >> >> fetch
> >> >> >> >> and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and get
> >> >> >> >> huge
> >> >> >> >> enjoyment out of it.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts the
> >> >> >> >> market
> >> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> >> pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the
> >> >> >> >> high
> >> >> >> >> cost
> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over original
> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> worn.
> >> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> >> know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the
> >> >> >> >> rest
> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> machine to match the lovely pf).
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> GRY
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:1118490322.349419.118890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >> >> > Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > David Schulpius wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny
> >> >> >> >> >> exact
> >> >> >> >> >> restorations.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Dave
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what
> >> >> >> >> >> > did
> >> >> >> >> >> > it
> >> >> >> >> >> > cost?
> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks...
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >
 
G

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Yawn!

<eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1118625030.972570.87550@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> No, just be sure not to brag here about your ham fisted work, and you
> won't have to face the scrutiny.
>
> Maybe you should stick to shameless self promotion, you're good at
> getting your small name in the local papers. $50 per hour? You should
> be paying clients just to get some experience.
>
>
>
> Ceegary wrote:
>> I'll be sure to check with you in the future if I decide to do anything
>> to
>> one of my pins...Mr Someotherlurker@yahoo.com
>>
>> GRY
>>
>> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1118620222.427177.325680@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > Let's just hope you don't get your hands on a woodrail.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ceegary wrote:
>> >> Your presumptions, as with most everything else are incorrect.
>> >>
>> >> GRY
>> >>
>> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1118592998.905224.31590@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > There is nothing "rancid" about my comments, you initiated this and
>> >> > evidently you can't stand the truth.
>> >> >
>> >> > Another indication that your "restoration" is inadequate, is your
>> >> > changing to the high tap on the transformer. If you properly rebuilt
>> >> > the flippers, kickers and pop bumpers you would find no need to do
>> >> > that. That includes coil sleeves, springs, bushings and most
>> >> > important
>> >> > the flipper and kicker links. And usually new coil stops. But I can
>> >> > see
>> >> > from your old parts you replaced very little, and certainly no
>> >> > links.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Ceegary wrote:
>> >> >> I place myself nowhere but a hobbyist. I object to you repeptitive
>> >> >> rancid
>> >> >> comments is all.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> GRY
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:1118579427.760898.160460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >I have no obsession with other peoples work, it's you who have
>> >> >> >placed
>> >> >> > yourself up on a pedestal. You perform one "rescue" and have self
>> >> >> > appointed yourself the god of restoration. For your information,
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > owned 3 El Dorados. And your colors are all wrong. You're so
>> >> >> > blind
>> >> >> > you
>> >> >> > can't even see that they no longer match the plastics (which are
>> >> >> > correct).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > With any luck your skills at obtaining machines is as poor as
>> >> >> > your
>> >> >> > restoration technique, or at least proportional to your
>> >> >> > "painting"
>> >> >> > skills, saving any more machines from a "restoration" at the
>> >> >> > hands
>> >> >> > of a
>> >> >> > total hack.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I've seen childrens coloring books more accurately crayoned then
>> >> >> > your
>> >> >> > paint job.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You should pack your ego away until some time in the distant
>> >> >> > future
>> >> >> > when perhaps your skill level might justify it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Ceegary wrote:
>> >> >> >> Actually, Mr. wise and almighty EM restorer...uh sir, those pics
>> >> >> >> were
>> >> >> >> taken
>> >> >> >> before cleaning, which was my original intention for the pf,
>> >> >> >> however
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> cleaning there was substantial flaking and chipped paint with
>> >> >> >> bare
>> >> >> >> wood
>> >> >> >> showing but my camera was on the fritz and I don't have any pics
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> it.
>> >> >> >> At
>> >> >> >> the time I was more intent on fixing the game rather than
>> >> >> >> proving
>> >> >> >> anything.
>> >> >> >> You probably wouldn't recognise the right colors because you
>> >> >> >> seem
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> able to guess what they looked like originally, my purple for eg
>> >> >> >> as
>> >> >> >> most
>> >> >> >> had
>> >> >> >> faded out to a dirty brown. Even the purple on the plastics had
>> >> >> >> faded
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> brown, quite a comparison to the repro set. However the original
>> >> >> >> unfaded
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> unblemished colors were under the wood side rails and that's
>> >> >> >> what
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> colors
>> >> >> >> were matched to.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Poring would be a very bad way to apply clearcoat but I think
>> >> >> >> poring
>> >> >> >> bile
>> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> a good way to describe your obnoxious obessesion with your
>> >> >> >> characterization
>> >> >> >> of other people's work that doesn't fit your narrow concept of
>> >> >> >> what's
>> >> >> >> acceptable. I highly doubt you have any restoration talents
>> >> >> >> yourself
>> >> >> >> as
>> >> >> >> judging from your moniker you've only just learned how to count.
>> >> >> >> Now
>> >> >> >> go
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> sleep, it's past your bedtime and don't forget your warm milk.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> GRY
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:1118542064.174746.36140@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >> >I just took a second look at your pictures, and I stand by my
>> >> >> >> >position,
>> >> >> >> > you did not "resuce" that machine, you ruined it.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > There is absoltutely no significant wear, peeling or flaking
>> >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> >> > that
>> >> >> >> > PF. You mistake 30 years of dirt for "fading". So as result,
>> >> >> >> > you
>> >> >> >> > chose
>> >> >> >> > to overpaint the entire PF with very amateur results. A proper
>> >> >> >> > cleaning, waxing and buffing would have restored that PF
>> >> >> >> > beautifully.
>> >> >> >> > Then you pored that goop all over it.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I restore and collect nothing but EM's, and fully recognize
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > condition of that machine and the excellent results you COULD
>> >> >> >> > have
>> >> >> >> > obtained had you not been so hell bent on "rescuing" it. Too
>> >> >> >> > bad.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Ceegary wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol'
>> >> >> >> >> tirade. I
>> >> >> >> >> got
>> >> >> >> >> the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the
>> >> >> >> >> before
>> >> >> >> >> pics
>> >> >> >> >> and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody
>> >> >> >> >> who's
>> >> >> >> >> seen
>> >> >> >> >> my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays
>> >> >> >> >> great.
>> >> >> >> >> Again,
>> >> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> no problem with collectors who demand original condition but
>> >> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> >> believe
>> >> >> >> >> restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and
>> >> >> >> >> materials
>> >> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists".
>> >> >> >> >> I've
>> >> >> >> >> even
>> >> >> >> >> had
>> >> >> >> >> some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what
>> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> would
>> >> >> >> >> fetch
>> >> >> >> >> and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and
>> >> >> >> >> get
>> >> >> >> >> huge
>> >> >> >> >> enjoyment out of it.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> market
>> >> >> >> >> will
>> >> >> >> >> pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the
>> >> >> >> >> high
>> >> >> >> >> cost
>> >> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over
>> >> >> >> >> original
>> >> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> worn.
>> >> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> >> know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the
>> >> >> >> >> rest
>> >> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> machine to match the lovely pf).
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> GRY
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> news:1118490322.349419.118890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >> >> > Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > David Schulpius wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny
>> >> >> >> >> >> exact
>> >> >> >> >> >> restorations.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Dave
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and
>> >> >> >> >> >> > what
>> >> >> >> >> >> > did
>> >> >> >> >> >> > it
>> >> >> >> >> >> > cost?
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks...
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>
 

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Eldo..

Why don't you show us an example of what you can do with a weathered,
worn out pinball instead of pissing on someone else's parade?


Mike O.

eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com wrote:
> Your El Dorado being "beautiful and gorgeous" is a matter of your
> opinion, to me it looks like a cartoon covered in shiny plastic. I'm
> glad you like it, I really am, but it is a poor example of
> "restoration". Even a cursory look at those pictures show you overdid
> every aspect of the "touch ups", using the wrong colors and destoying
> the original detail with sloppy painting. Go ahead and put it on ebay,
> make sure you include the close ups. No one will pay what you think.
>
> Your "lovely playfield" is a joke.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ceegary wrote:
> > Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol' tirade. I got
> > the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the before pics
> > and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody who's seen
> > my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays great. Again, I have
> > no problem with collectors who demand original condition but I believe
> > restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and materials is a
> > growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists". I've even had
> > some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what it would fetch
> > and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and get huge
> > enjoyment out of it.
> >
> > I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts the market will
> > pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the high cost of
> > MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over original and worn. I
> > know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the rest of the
> > machine to match the lovely pf).
> >
> > GRY
> >
> > <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1118490322.349419.118890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
> > >
> > >
> > > David Schulpius wrote:
> > >> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny exact
> > >> restorations.
> > >>
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
> > >> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and what did it cost?
> > >> > Thanks...
> > >> >
> > >
 
G

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Exactly - that's the normal reaction to your "rescue" work.

For a guy with all that gray hair, you are sorely short on wit, wisdom
and maturity.



Ceegary wrote:
> Yawn!
>
> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1118625030.972570.87550@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > No, just be sure not to brag here about your ham fisted work, and you
> > won't have to face the scrutiny.
> >
> > Maybe you should stick to shameless self promotion, you're good at
> > getting your small name in the local papers. $50 per hour? You should
> > be paying clients just to get some experience.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> I'll be sure to check with you in the future if I decide to do anything
> >> to
> >> one of my pins...Mr Someotherlurker@yahoo.com
> >>
> >> GRY
> >>
> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1118620222.427177.325680@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Let's just hope you don't get your hands on a woodrail.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> >> Your presumptions, as with most everything else are incorrect.
> >> >>
> >> >> GRY
> >> >>
> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1118592998.905224.31590@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> > There is nothing "rancid" about my comments, you initiated this and
> >> >> > evidently you can't stand the truth.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Another indication that your "restoration" is inadequate, is your
> >> >> > changing to the high tap on the transformer. If you properly rebuilt
> >> >> > the flippers, kickers and pop bumpers you would find no need to do
> >> >> > that. That includes coil sleeves, springs, bushings and most
> >> >> > important
> >> >> > the flipper and kicker links. And usually new coil stops. But I can
> >> >> > see
> >> >> > from your old parts you replaced very little, and certainly no
> >> >> > links.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> >> >> I place myself nowhere but a hobbyist. I object to you repeptitive
> >> >> >> rancid
> >> >> >> comments is all.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> GRY
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:1118579427.760898.160460@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >> >I have no obsession with other peoples work, it's you who have
> >> >> >> >placed
> >> >> >> > yourself up on a pedestal. You perform one "rescue" and have self
> >> >> >> > appointed yourself the god of restoration. For your information,
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> > have
> >> >> >> > owned 3 El Dorados. And your colors are all wrong. You're so
> >> >> >> > blind
> >> >> >> > you
> >> >> >> > can't even see that they no longer match the plastics (which are
> >> >> >> > correct).
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > With any luck your skills at obtaining machines is as poor as
> >> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> > restoration technique, or at least proportional to your
> >> >> >> > "painting"
> >> >> >> > skills, saving any more machines from a "restoration" at the
> >> >> >> > hands
> >> >> >> > of a
> >> >> >> > total hack.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I've seen childrens coloring books more accurately crayoned then
> >> >> >> > your
> >> >> >> > paint job.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > You should pack your ego away until some time in the distant
> >> >> >> > future
> >> >> >> > when perhaps your skill level might justify it.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Actually, Mr. wise and almighty EM restorer...uh sir, those pics
> >> >> >> >> were
> >> >> >> >> taken
> >> >> >> >> before cleaning, which was my original intention for the pf,
> >> >> >> >> however
> >> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> >> cleaning there was substantial flaking and chipped paint with
> >> >> >> >> bare
> >> >> >> >> wood
> >> >> >> >> showing but my camera was on the fritz and I don't have any pics
> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> it.
> >> >> >> >> At
> >> >> >> >> the time I was more intent on fixing the game rather than
> >> >> >> >> proving
> >> >> >> >> anything.
> >> >> >> >> You probably wouldn't recognise the right colors because you
> >> >> >> >> seem
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> >> able to guess what they looked like originally, my purple for eg
> >> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> >> most
> >> >> >> >> had
> >> >> >> >> faded out to a dirty brown. Even the purple on the plastics had
> >> >> >> >> faded
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> brown, quite a comparison to the repro set. However the original
> >> >> >> >> unfaded
> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> unblemished colors were under the wood side rails and that's
> >> >> >> >> what
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> colors
> >> >> >> >> were matched to.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Poring would be a very bad way to apply clearcoat but I think
> >> >> >> >> poring
> >> >> >> >> bile
> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> a good way to describe your obnoxious obessesion with your
> >> >> >> >> characterization
> >> >> >> >> of other people's work that doesn't fit your narrow concept of
> >> >> >> >> what's
> >> >> >> >> acceptable. I highly doubt you have any restoration talents
> >> >> >> >> yourself
> >> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> >> judging from your moniker you've only just learned how to count.
> >> >> >> >> Now
> >> >> >> >> go
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> sleep, it's past your bedtime and don't forget your warm milk.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> GRY
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:1118542064.174746.36140@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >> >> >I just took a second look at your pictures, and I stand by my
> >> >> >> >> >position,
> >> >> >> >> > you did not "resuce" that machine, you ruined it.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > There is absoltutely no significant wear, peeling or flaking
> >> >> >> >> > on
> >> >> >> >> > that
> >> >> >> >> > PF. You mistake 30 years of dirt for "fading". So as result,
> >> >> >> >> > you
> >> >> >> >> > chose
> >> >> >> >> > to overpaint the entire PF with very amateur results. A proper
> >> >> >> >> > cleaning, waxing and buffing would have restored that PF
> >> >> >> >> > beautifully.
> >> >> >> >> > Then you pored that goop all over it.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > I restore and collect nothing but EM's, and fully recognize
> >> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> >> > condition of that machine and the excellent results you COULD
> >> >> >> >> > have
> >> >> >> >> > obtained had you not been so hell bent on "rescuing" it. Too
> >> >> >> >> > bad.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Ceegary wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> Another thread ruined by eldorad01234567890's (sic) same ol'
> >> >> >> >> >> tirade. I
> >> >> >> >> >> got
> >> >> >> >> >> the same thing from him when I rescued my El Dorado. Show the
> >> >> >> >> >> before
> >> >> >> >> >> pics
> >> >> >> >> >> and I'm sure we'll see a game SAVED not ruined. Everybody
> >> >> >> >> >> who's
> >> >> >> >> >> seen
> >> >> >> >> >> my ED has been impressed with how it looks and it plays
> >> >> >> >> >> great.
> >> >> >> >> >> Again,
> >> >> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> >> >> no problem with collectors who demand original condition but
> >> >> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> >> >> believe
> >> >> >> >> >> restoring EMs using current restoration techniques and
> >> >> >> >> >> materials
> >> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> >> >> growing trend and will continue to pi** off the "purists".
> >> >> >> >> >> I've
> >> >> >> >> >> even
> >> >> >> >> >> had
> >> >> >> >> >> some guys urging me to market mine on eBay just to see what
> >> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> >> would
> >> >> >> >> >> fetch
> >> >> >> >> >> and probably annoy them even more, but I did it for me and
> >> >> >> >> >> get
> >> >> >> >> >> huge
> >> >> >> >> >> enjoyment out of it.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I can foresee future posts bitching about the large amounts
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> market
> >> >> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> >> >> pay for beautifully restored EMs outnumbering those about the
> >> >> >> >> >> high
> >> >> >> >> >> cost
> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> MM. Many of us will prefer beautiful and georgous over
> >> >> >> >> >> original
> >> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> >> worn.
> >> >> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> >> >> know you will, enjoy your game, (now your task is to get the
> >> >> >> >> >> rest
> >> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> machine to match the lovely pf).
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> GRY
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> <eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> >> news:1118490322.349419.118890@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >> >> >> > Another EM ruined by clearcoat.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > David Schulpius wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yah, I guess it's ok if you like perfect, smooth, shinny
> >> >> >> >> >> >> exact
> >> >> >> >> >> >> restorations.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dave
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> efriis@sprintmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Absolutely gorgeous. Question: Who did the work and
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > what
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > did
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > it
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > cost?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks...
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >
 
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On 13 Jun 2005 04:53:37 -0700, eldorado1234567890@yahoo.com wrote:

>Exactly - that's the normal reaction to your "rescue" work.
>
>For a guy with all that gray hair, you are sorely short on wit, wisdom
>and maturity.

Reading through this thread it doesn't appear that Gary is the one who
is lacking wisdom and maturity. Plonk.
 
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I just revisited the thread and saw your post. I don't feel like
reviving the thread on the group but feel your considered post deserved
a respone. When I shot the pics it was kind of dark and the flash on my
camera wasn't working so the cracks in the paint didn't show that well.
My original plan was to just clean the field and only repaint the cab.
Friends who saw it dirty thought I'd made a mistake in buying it
because it was too far downstream but I thought I could clean it up.

When I started cleaning I had lots of pieces of paint flake right off,
mostly sections between the vertical crack lines and for some reason
the worst was in the whites of the horse. The purple was terribly faded
and actually had two sections in the bottom, one slightly less faded
like a shadow from the plastics. There would have been no point in
painting the cab, putting in repro backglass, plastic set and
components on a trashed pf with lots of wood showing. Friends who saw
it at this stage commented that I'd be better of trying to find a
replacement pf. I even heard of two NOS pfs but they'd already been
installed on games and weren't for sale!

I did not set out intending to paint a whole pf, in fact it was a
painful decision to decide to tackle something I'd never done (total pf
repaint versus section touc-ups), buy an airbrush and learn how to use
it, etc, etc. Halfway through the project I realised I had to get the
pf cleared and sanded down to even have a shot at getting it painted
because it was way too rough to paint, the surface was so uneven.
Frankly I don't care about trying to match the original laquer
clearcoat which would have been close to impossible, I'm very
comfortable with sealing the work I did with modern clear. Given the
perameters of the project I can't even conceive of trying to do it any
other way.

I have no problem with people who prefer pins unrestored even if
they're not in not great cosmetic condition, as long as they understand
that's their personal preference. I prefer to have pins looking as
close to new and shiny as I can get them, that's my preference. I don't
care about museums and frankly I don't care about the resale value
either because it's probably not going to be sold, but if it were I'm
confident that someone in the "I like it looking good camp" will pay
the price even if the "I want it original" camp wouldn't.

Last I checked this is still America, pinball to me is an icon of that
spirit and I think it's ok if we each have our own approach of what we
want to collect and what we choose to do with them.

GRY

pinballjim wrote:
> Ceegary wrote:
> > those pics were taken
> > before cleaning
>
> Well, I'll stay out of the insults, but before pictures taken before a
> cleaning really don't show the true condition of a machine. I've seen
> dozens of threads here where everyone oohs and ahhs over the after
> pics, but there weren't proper before pics to compare them to.
>
> I'm not any better myself. It's a rare day when I actually take the
> time to photograph a machine before I tinker with it and clean it, and
> I sure as heck don't pause during the process after the PF is clean to
> take "original condition" photos.
>
> If your El Dorado was flaking as badly as you said, then maybe what you
> need was necessary. However, given the condition in the before photos,
> I would have never repainted and cleared. (but again, that's assuming
> the paint wasn't falling off)
>
> I really err on the side of caution with EMs. They're older than I am
> and they've survived a lot better. It's not my place to permanently
> alter them.