Read Toms New VGA Chart and at the High End the Intel still can't beat AMD. I think the 2700+ kicked the 3.06 HT's butt in every event. Long live AMD.. Bring on the Clawhammer.................
Are you an intel troll? I dont see why there is any problem in letting him have his say. And it is in the correct forum anyway. I second the long live AMD.
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The 3.06 GHz was equipped with i845PE and PC2700 DDR
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Link please, If the P4PE was used then I wouldnt doubt the poor results.
It takes a 3.8Ghz CPU on a P4PE to beat a 3.3Ghz IT7. The despairity in performance is huge compared to other PE boards is significant, like -500Mhz significant.
I have P4PE and IT7Max2 benchmarks posted online, including new granite bay stuff. need links to my projects? I have used the above boards extensivly to know the P4PE loses everything and that includes to a AMD.
Whats a Clawhammer? heh.
<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
Look at THG and Anandtech benchmark results. P4PE is a very good i845PE mobo. I trust their benchmarks more than your's. You must have some problem with your P4PE
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I was looking at Tom's news benchmarks between cpus, The Iceman Cometh: P4 at 4.1 GHz. From what I saw the p4 3.06 and the xp2800 were very close to each other in most of the benchmarks.
I guess I am right that THG used the P4PE to bench against.
I can see how A AMD fanatic would have no problem using the P4PE as that is the only way a AMD can beat P4 at anything.
<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
These benchmarks show that ASUS P4PE is one of the best performing i845PE mobo. You are wrong.
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For goodness sake!!! We all know the Via Eden chip is the best hands down!!!
<b><font color=purple>[Rik_]</font color=purple> I wonder how many people have made their own phasechange system?
<font color=blue>[LHGPooBaa]</font color=blue> I get phasechange whenever i eat a hot chillie </b>
There you go fugger someone else proved you wrong. Are you going to flame him and toll on him like you are currently trying with me? I suggest you grow up fugger. Stop posting infomation that is clearly wrong. You are way out of your league.
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Yeah, this very arguement has been going on for how many years??? LOL!!!
It all comes down to this. Intel is a household name. The everyday average people are comfortable buying a household name, even if it is a little more expensive (Thank you Intel marketing department). And generally, these people think of Intel as a QUALITY product. A TRUSTED product.
Statistically, Intel currently has approximately between 80 to 85 percent marketshare of desktop PC CPU's. IF Intel were to put out an "AMD KILLER" then AMD doesn't have enough resources to match it. AMD declares bankruptcy. Intel ends up in an anti-trust suit, for becoming a monopoly(90% marketshare or better). This is not good for Intel, so Intel can not afford for AMD to die. Thus, they let them go...while maintaining their marketshare, and reaping in the cash. Its a matter of running a sensible business. They are just milking the cash cow for every cent that they can.
And even then, the AMD/INTEL controversy keeps them in the spotlight, decreasing the amount of PR that they have to do. It serves their purpose, by reinforcing them as a household name.
In the end, it serves neither Intel nor AMD for Intel to put out a better processor than they already have. And the fact that Intel currently has 6 Billion...yes, with a B...dollars in liquid assets means that they EASILY have the money necessary to make an AMD KILLER.
And on a personal note....If you haven't already noticed, since AMD has become a "threat" to Intel, how many years has AMD actually run the business in the black? Intel knows what they are doing. Have no doubts about that. It's just that they are trying to fool all of the people too....
...and to think, not one arguement or flame in this whole post about who actually has the better CPU.....what a wasted opportunity...LOL
I don't understand this recent wave of AMD fanboys, it's just disgusting. Perhaps we DO need mods soon...
I say we launch a unanimous request to Fredi, I just don't have time to waste reading crap comments from trolls.
You wit me Master Poobaa?!
<b><font color=purple>[Rik_]</font color=purple> I wonder how many people have made their own phasechange system?
<font color=blue>[LHGPooBaa]</font color=blue> I get phasechange whenever i eat a hot chillie </b>
Climb back in your hole troll, quit being a total loser and grow up some.
<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
Ok, on the THG benchmarks the hard to overlcock the ram to compete (gets beaten by Intel reference board (big shocker)), otherwise like shown in the 3Dmark it fall way behind. about 500Mhz behind.
It took a <A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5182699" target="_new">P4PE @ 3.8Ghz</A> to beat the <A HREF="http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=4548787" target="_new">The IT7 @ 3.3Ghz.</A> Both machines have the same amount of ram and same video card.
Im running very demanding tests at 1600x1200 resolution, I turned on FSAA to and the results were the same slightly less margin of a win for P4PE with a 500Mhz advantage and higher FSB.
once again 1600x1200x32 FSAA enabled, even more demanding.
I know for a fact that the P4PE is the weakest PE board of the bunch. It shows its problems in many applications, and I kicked it to the curb shortly after getting hyperthreading and finding out the problems.
End of discussion for me, you guys are prob not listening anyway.
<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
It took a P4PE @ 3.8Ghz to beat the The IT7 @ 3.3Ghz. Both machines have the same amount of ram and same video card.
While you do have facts, I believe it all lies in the bandwidth. When you think about it, your Rambus setup has more bandwidth and can last through higher speeds. The DDR setup, (although I am not sure what RAM frequency and CAS latency did you use) is far below RD RAM's bandwidth, and at high speeds like these, not even latency can save it, especially when your FSB is cranked.
Personally I would test both processors at significantly lower frequencies, such as 2.8GHZ, for both P4PE and IT7.
I doubt it's a problem to you since you get parts almost anytime, so I hope you could check it out for us. I am a bit doubtful of the conclusive performance of that board, solely as you are showing insane overclocks with high FSBs.
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