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TECH: LoTR Gimli saucer

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Anonymous
June 14, 2005 9:09:52 PM

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When a ball lands in the Gimli saucer (just south of the pop bumpers),
the saucer doesn't recognize the ball. Jiggling, even hard shaking
doesn't help. You have to wait for the ball search for the VUK to
fire. The VUK, by the way, is fine. The diagnostics don't show
anything--the game actually says "playfield OK" and "switch
tests--none". Any ideas?

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June 14, 2005 9:16:22 PM

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so saucer switch tests ok when both open and closed in switch test
mode??
Anonymous
June 14, 2005 9:19:13 PM

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Uh-oh. I went thru the switch test on "Portals" but don't quite
understand the open and closed part. Bear with me--I'm trying to
learn. I'm getting sick of being technically helpless.
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Anonymous
June 14, 2005 11:26:09 PM

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Come on over, I'll tech you into unhelplessness.

Go into switch test, and then move the switch up and down. See what it does.
If nothing then remove the switch from the game and check with a meter. If
switch is good, you have a broken wire or poor connection along the way,
check wires of the same colors. If the switch is bad, replace it. LTG :) 

"azpinlawyer" <gregdavis@mail2lawyer.com> wrote in message
news:1118794753.704964.157700@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Uh-oh. I went thru the switch test on "Portals" but don't quite
> understand the open and closed part. Bear with me--I'm trying to
> learn. I'm getting sick of being technically helpless.
>
Anonymous
June 14, 2005 11:33:09 PM

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I have a LOTR on a route and both sausers have had these switches fail.
Your best bet is to replace the switch. This is a high failure part
from what I understand on stern pinz. I have been able to hear the
switch click but get nothing in switch test. I think Stern got into a
bad batch of these. Sometimes it will work but most of the time it
doesn't. One thing I found to help make these work is to loosen the
screws holding the switch in place just a bit, it works for a while or
at least it did for me until I got the new switches installed.

Chris
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 12:21:11 AM

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I had the same type of switch fail on the upper playfield VUK on after
only about 10 plays. It is a high failure part. Too bad they cost
about 7 bucks to replace. You could fix for less by just buying a
bunch of Cherry microswitches of the same base size and swap the
mechanism over whenever they fail. I was surprised that on mine the
failing part _was_ a Cherry microswitch. They are supposed to be
pretty good.

h_h
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 12:25:28 AM

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Make that the upper playfield VUK on my TSPP.

h_h
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 8:55:12 AM

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I've had the same problem on my machine with several of the VUK
switches. What worked for me is to put the switch in an ultasonic
cleaner for a couple of minutes. I have not had a single issue since.
I believe what is happening is that when the switch is initially
installed flux from the soldering is working its way inside, gumming up
the works.
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 11:50:01 AM

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I had one of the switches at the Shire (same switch as Gimli) go out a
few weeks ago, with the same issues as you. I had my pin tech replace
it - Mountain Coin on McDowell carrys them in their regular stock.

By the way, my pin tech is outstanding and very reasonable if you need
help - I usually don't have time to pull out a multmeter!

Call Kirk Pardee (Ace Pinball Repairs) in Phoenix at: 602-906-4995.

Definitely sounds like a bum switch.

BRETT B
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 12:27:20 PM

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THANKS, BRETT. I'LL CALL HIM.
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 4:28:27 PM

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My LOTR is HUO and I've killed 3 switches so far. I keep stock on hand
for next time.Steve Young also carries the switches complete with the
lever.Good luck,Walt
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 5:08:55 PM

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I just called him. While he's at it, he's going to replace the flipper
plungers, etc., with Williams parts. This works, right? For
longevity, strength, or both?
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 6:54:33 PM

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My Balrog switch is starting to go after only about 500 games. Guess
I'll have to pick up a few of those. Wonder how hard that will be to
change...

h_h
Anonymous
June 15, 2005 7:14:16 PM

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He'll need to work on the EOS points then so they work and don't get beat up
fast. LTG :) 

"azpinlawyer" <gregdavis@mail2lawyer.com> wrote in message
news:1118866135.021883.286450@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I just called him. While he's at it, he's going to replace the flipper
> plungers, etc., with Williams parts. This works, right? For
> longevity, strength, or both?
>
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 3:19:20 AM

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Yes, Kirk knows what to replace in terms of using the WMS parts in lieu
of the Stern stuff - I did the exchange about 1 year ago, and I notice
more consistant hits especially to the ring shot.

Kirk has been my life support line for nearly 6 years, espcially when
it comes to any board level repairs (diodes, transistors, soldering,
etc). I can do many things, but the electronics stuff I leave to a pro.

Maybe when Lloyd starts doing house calls I can use him, eh?

But then again, I would have to rent a new Vette :) 

BRETT B
June 16, 2005 12:02:18 PM

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In article <1118872473.900602.99640@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"heckheck" <jsurf@heckheck.com> wrote:

> My Balrog switch is starting to go after only about 500 games. Guess
> I'll have to pick up a few of those. Wonder how hard that will be to
> change...
>
> h_h

Easy! Mine went south at about 350 5 ball games. Just practice with the
soldering iron as you don't want it too hot or too long on the new
switch as it can melt the guts.

Cheers
MacMan
Anonymous
June 16, 2005 4:51:58 PM

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It would take more than a vette. You'd have to be someone I like too. Lloyd

<brett.barry@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Yes, Kirk knows what to replace in terms of using the WMS parts in lieu
> of the Stern stuff - I did the exchange about 1 year ago, and I notice
> more consistant hits especially to the ring shot.
>
> Kirk has been my life support line for nearly 6 years, espcially when
> it comes to any board level repairs (diodes, transistors, soldering,
> etc). I can do many things, but the electronics stuff I leave to a pro.
>
> Maybe when Lloyd starts doing house calls I can use him, eh?
>
> But then again, I would have to rent a new Vette :) 
>
> BRETT B
>
Anonymous
June 17, 2005 1:27:18 AM

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Ah hah...

I'll take that as a compliment :)  Then again...

BRETT B
June 17, 2005 11:44:49 AM

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I got a replacement Balrog switch from Ray Johnson lickety-split but I
had just gotten the machine that very day and so naturally I had to
have it fixed N O W and jimmyrigged my own little leaf switch that
still works perfect... and still haven't gotten un-lazy enough to put
the real switch in : (
!