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January 22, 2003 2:21:59 AM

Intel Pentium 4 2.4B
Asus P4PE
512MB Samsung PC2700

AMD Athlon XP 2400+
Asus A7N8X
2x256MB Samsung PC3200

Both will be using a Sapphire Radeon 9700.

I plan on using this PC for gaming, mp3s and the internet. I won't be overclocking either.

More about : 2400

January 22, 2003 2:55:55 AM

AMD, but i don't know about that mobo with the vid card. anyway, as long as you don't want to oc, get the AMD

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January 22, 2003 5:20:19 AM

intel in qu├ębec they are sold at the same price so intel allwayse win at the same price

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January 23, 2003 3:11:27 PM

IM very interested in this 2 comparisons, im about to get one of this two (both are the same price), i have never used amd before and ive never had any problems with pentium in the past, i want the cpu mainly for games and browsing, with 512 ddr ram and depends the mobo for the cpu im getting.

Would i see a noticeable increase in performance using one of this 2 cpu's on games or i wont notice any diference if i had them both? running with a G4 ti 4200. Wich one would you get and for what reason, thx in advance!.
January 23, 2003 4:30:49 PM

i would go with the AMD system as well

it will be cheaper, and faster in some areas. if your COMPRESSING alot of MP3z (not just listening, for listening the 2 are equal) the P4 might be a better idea. for gaming, get the AMD. its just a more solid processor, in the different areas of performance. and did i mention cheaper?

the money you save could go towards a 9700*pro* or more, or faster ram
January 23, 2003 7:32:35 PM

Put that P4 2.4B on a IT7 Max2 and it will whip the crap out of the AMD 2400+ at stock speed.

The P4PE is not a good choice of mobo's as they perform worse than the reference Intel board.

I would go for Intel solution. as we all know that Intel SSE2 multimedia extenstion are built for what you are planning on using (gaming, MP3, video and audio). SSE2 apps show improvements in perfomance AMD cannot touch (I know its just not fair). Eventually AMD will also sport SSE2 extensions.

<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
January 24, 2003 11:22:20 PM

That would make the P4 setup about $100 (Canadian) more than the AMD one
January 25, 2003 6:03:59 AM

Ignore fugger. He is a known intel troll. And he also hates being proven wrong. (He trolled me for nearly a month because I proved him wrong with hard evidence to back it up) His data is usualy very unreliable too. You WILL NOT see any difference based on SSE2 on current software because there is very little out there that even supports SSE2 let alone any that can properly utilise it. And even the software that does support SSE2 the difference is very negliable. He is spouting the original claims from intel when SSE2 was first introduced. They claimed how much of a revolution it would be. It basicaly hasnt had any affect on the market. So the AMD setup is still faster than the intel setup for a much cheaper price.
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January 25, 2003 8:35:53 AM

And well worth it. I can provide links from owners of A7N8X boards who do not recommend them. Im sure you prob already seen the ones here on THG forum in the mobo section.

Id like to take this time to thank <b>vk2amv</b> for providing my retarded signature.

<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
January 25, 2003 5:56:24 PM

Well mr. fugger i'm using an Asus a7n8x deluxe motherboard and loving it with a Radeon 9700pro and no issus!

so minus one person from your list!
January 25, 2003 6:08:43 PM

Although Fugger might have been an over zealous troll at one point, I read that OC thread and you seriously blew it. I think the quote in Fugger's sig proves that 10x over.

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January 25, 2003 8:09:12 PM

Makaveli, Others are speculating another "P4T533" fiasco.

You are one of the lucky ones. What bios you running and are you overclocking? where was mobo purchased?

<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
January 25, 2003 9:29:33 PM

With PC2700 I don't think the Pentium 4 2.4B would beat an Athlon 2400+ (even with the IT7 Max2Ver.2). Even if it would, it'd be by a small amount that would not nearly be worth it. The only reason the Asus board seems to not work is because of a crappy BIOS. Every other nForce 2 board seems to work fine. I don't know if you want to look into it more. There are now more options for an nForce 2 board, and you might find a better option. I'd probably go with the Athlon XP 2400+, but you'd be happy with either I'm sure. They'd perform extremely similar (to the point where you probably wouldn't notice it in 99.9% of all apps).

Just my $.02.

EDIT: The better option seems to be an ABIT NFT7S or whatever it's called. Either way, it's the ABIT nForce2 board.

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January 25, 2003 9:42:30 PM

i have just got an xp 2400 with an abit nf7-s using dual channel pc2700.i can certainly agree that this is a great performer and i am running the cpu at 2600 speeds (166X12.5) perfectly stably.

no matter how hard you try, you can't polish a turd. :]
January 26, 2003 1:17:56 AM

I suggest you read the thread again because you missed a few points. I managed to provide hard proof to back up my claim. Did fugger provide prof or did he just start flaming because I proved him wrong? I got third party support on my claim that proved me correct, did fugger do that? Did I ever wrongfly claim at any point that I personaly own a P4? Does auctaly owning a single P4 and not reading up about any other peoples experiances instantly make me an expert on the P4? Thats what you and fuger seem to be trying to say. The quote in fuggers sig is still correct. Because I dont own ANY P4 it makes me a better judge because I dont have any personal experiances to cloud my judgement. I just have what I have read from hundreds of other people and hundreds more reviews on hardware sites all over the net to go on. And that is more accurate than just a single account. It is an avarage. Any more questions?
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January 26, 2003 5:43:46 AM

I agree 99% of the apps you prob will not tell the difference. Ill check out the NFT7S

I won a pair of 2400+ at the <A HREF="http://www.amdrealitycheck.com/photos.html" target="_new">AMD road event in Las Vegas.</A> I went on stage in the battle of the boxes. very far right in the video "gameshow contestants".

My <A HREF="http://fugger.netfirms.com/amd.jpg" target="_new">haul for the night</A> 3 shirts, 3 hats, 2 processors, 1 laptop case.

<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
January 26, 2003 5:50:28 AM

Thx, waiting for my board back from newegg. iirc it had the 1001c bios.

<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
January 26, 2003 2:36:54 PM

Ok, looked at newegg and found the ABIT <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=..." target="_new">NF7 and NF7-S (the NF7-S has SATA, but it's prob. of no use to most of you)</A>. It's not too bad of a price, either.

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January 26, 2003 4:49:14 PM

Hello all,

I believe the A7N8X board has an audio processor that offloads the decoding of mp3 files from the cpu, almost negating any impact on the cpu. For me, after reading the review of that board (on this site) convinced me that this was the board for me.

I bought the board only days after reading the review and I couldn't be more pleased with it.
January 26, 2003 6:39:09 PM

Yea, I tried to move up from the KT400 chipset when NF2 was released. NF2 does bring bandwidth to AMD but when it doesn't want to start up more than half the time it proves to be a most annoying problem.

<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
January 27, 2003 2:47:39 PM

Im expecting high FSB, and bandwidth (Something AMD has been missing.)

I expect it back sometime this week.

<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
January 27, 2003 4:01:55 PM

well, i dont think most games nowadays support sse2, and the same can be said for regular software ...

i mean for regular programs processor speed is usually enuff right? its mostly games that put a stress on our systems.. and archiving and compiling, but those are dependant on hdd speed as well right?
January 28, 2003 6:50:12 AM

Most systems today are overkill, either a 2400+ or a 2.4B are more than enough to handle todays apps. The processors are not really in question. Its the mobo's, I dont like the P4PE due performing worse than the Intel reference board and the A7N8X for really stupid problems forcing a early RMA. The only thing good I can say about the P4PE is it operates HT correctly.

<b>"Granted I dont own a P4. But I read enough stuff and waste enough time on forums newsgroups IRC and computer news sites that I proberly know more then if I DID own a P4." -vk2amv</b>
January 28, 2003 8:46:53 PM

I'd go for the amd.. I run a AXP2400 on A7N8X DLX, running at 191 fsb, 13 multiplyer. that is 2483mhz and it is performing really great. Though I use watercooling and have Vcore modded my motherboard, it will perform great without that too. And at stock it will really outrun the P4 2.4 :) 
January 29, 2003 2:14:52 AM

Maybe this might give an idea, i have a friend with an AXP 2400, and i have an intel p4 2.4 Ghz

the AXP runs on the (somewhat older) Abit with the via KT333 chipset

the intel runs on the Asus p4t-533 c (yep with RDRAM, but only pc800 as the vendor missed himself and gave me two sticks of silly PC800...:-( )

It's correct that AMD is slightly faster on FPU calculations
We swapped video cards, to make the system equal or do you see a objective comparison of the gaming benchmark running on an ati rage 128 vs a geforce4???

but one little addition here, i got afterworks from Adobe that uses the SSE2 instructions, and there my little comp left AMD behind. (of course, somehow i don't think it's totally fair, as AMD NEVER had optimized soft for their instruction-sets) I would say for gaming that AMD is good, but somehow i used then my personal tests on the AMD system, and... then i had a crash (system hang) and that's what i never had here (i had only troubles due to the fact that i thought having bought pc1066 ramsticks, and in truth they weren't :lol:  ) Here i really think it has nothing to do with the fact that the AXP is a bad processor, no it's most of the time due to the fact that programmers just look more to intel then to AMD, which in fact is just a shame.

The AMD had PC 2700 cas2(or is it PC2100??? damn i never get out of that)

and so the intel had pc 800 rambus, and it outperformed the DDR (that's of course a fact, but it doesn't mean everything..

in fact we concluded both the same thing: there are some slight differences but... at those speeds <b> you just don't notice it! </b>

I use most of all programs having benefit from the fast transfer between RAM and CPU like MED. At the same song, with the same settings the AMD system was a bit more stressed (just a few procents, in fact not significant to be honest) but that's one of those progs that has a great benefit from the memory speed in fact i would conclude: is it worth to gain 1FPS??? is it worth to have a slight few points more on the internet benchmark??? NO, cause in real you don't even notice the difference. Here for example the AXP is as cheap as the intel (the 2400's) so with a good mobo, they'll be almostly same priced (if you take the DDR, as rambus is still the difference in price right now, but with gaming and everything you do you won't have the benefits of rambus, it's a quite specific thing it seems)

our conclusion was: on this moment we coudn't point any finger to a winner, as they both do what they must do: run the progs and do everything you want to do :-)

To be honest the only best processor i know is the Duron My new durry 1300 outperformed the 1300 celeron tualatin and with a noticeable difference. Why the hell did they stopped to produce those marvels :wink:

anyway just go in what you feel, if you feel better to build an intel system, then go ahead, if you feel better with the AXP then also go ahead... Never forget that you're the one that has to work with it and that's a feeling that goes beyond this question. In fact it has to do with the proud and with the gladness to work on your new comp. Never forget What's in front today can be kicked off it's trone tomorrow So the fastest comp today will be a slow one in one or two years... I still got my two other comps a PIII 500 and an AMD duron 850, now upgraded to 1300... My new P4 here outperforms them all, but they still have their tasks, and they all fit for it, and yes, i still have a little kinda "nostalgic feeling" to them. once they were my new monsters, going "fast" etc, etc.

a strange note added to this last part: does a comp have a soul??? i gues it has :lol: 



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